Marko Rodin

[ashtweth]

Guys this is for any one with no background who wants to get started right away, Marco Rodin Coils and variants (PDF)
added January 19, 2011
->Panacea University - Courses
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Mar...in%20Coils.pdf

WE always do a rep and investigation with the research and courses,Mike was doing it for us in this case,if you have not seen Mike powers stuff please check it out hope it helps all out there

Sincerely
Ash

[mikrovolt]

We keep learning from nature.
I was watching a video
I wonder about the spin-offs small bubbles that radiate outward.
the disturbance or flaw in the symmetry being self repaired.

YouTube - Tempest in a teapot P1

The bifilar pancake is an awesome transmitter
definetly some geometry happening just intuitively the spark the power
is in the flow.


YouTube - Comparison of Tesla Bifilar and Pancake Coils

[TerryA220]

Completely new to all of this, but find it absolutely fascinating. Will shortly be ordering myself some equipment, so I can start some research of my own.

I think it's already been mentioned, but has anyone tried a ball inside the actual rodin (coil) toroid to see if it spins? I'm sure someone could quite easily get some sort of see-through toroid, make a small cut in it, place the ball inside, melt it back together and then wrap the wire around it... Perhaps a useless suggestion.

Terry

[Cloxxki]

It might spin in some way. Unfortunately, it seems Rodin coils require magnets to get any spin going.
Rodin calls the coil a thruster, but I've not really seeem that function demonstrated yet. Magnets can spin/hoover in the hole, but an iron bar doesn't seem to be shot through? Not even a bar of stacked magnets? Such an effect would turn the roil coil in a superb engine.

Perhaps a more extreme shape than a toroid is needed, perhaps a different wrap.

Hey, what about a floating core of stacked magnets inside the toroid shape? Or even a spiraled magnetic toroid, hmmm....

[logos]

Completely new to all of this, but find it absolutely fascinating. Will shortly be ordering myself some equipment, so I can start some research of my own.

I think it's already been mentioned, but has anyone tried a ball inside the actual rodin (coil) toroid to see if it spins? I'm sure someone could quite easily get some sort of see-through toroid, make a small cut in it, place the ball inside, melt it back together and then wrap the wire around it... Perhaps a useless suggestion.

Terry

yes there is a test with a magnetic sphere placed in a dish above the torroid. MASSIVE spin speeds even when the coild is turned off and it continues to spin a few feet away from the center too!

[logos]

It might spin in some way. Unfortunately, it seems Rodin coils require magnets to get any spin going.
Rodin calls the coil a thruster, but I've not really seeem that function demonstrated yet. Magnets can spin/hoover in the hole, but an iron bar doesn't seem to be shot through? Not even a bar of stacked magnets? Such an effect would turn the roil coil in a superb engine.

Perhaps a more extreme shape than a toroid is needed, perhaps a different wrap.

Hey, what about a floating core of stacked magnets inside the toroid shape? Or even a spiraled magnetic toroid, hmmm....

your off here because in fact there have been tests like this done. place a stack of magnets inside a rodin coil and turn it on and the centripetal force of the vortex generated is phenomenal! strong enough to break neodym magnets apart! this alone shows that there is huge magnetic centrifugal force focused through the center of the torroid.

[TerryA220]

yes there is a test with a magnetic sphere placed in a dish above the torroid. MASSIVE spin speeds even when the coild is turned off and it continues to spin a few feet away from the center too!

Thanks for the reply Logos. I've seen many video's of people placing magnetic spheres in the "core" of the Rodin coil and in a dish above the torroid, but no video's of the magnetic sphere inside the torroid itself.

I was googling imaging Rodin coils last night and came across "nuclear toroid's". I know nothing about this subject, but from some of the images it looks like they are sending plasma around the inside of the torroid. Jamie mentioned something about Marko thinking plasma was the way forward and I wonder if this principle could be tested by placing a magnetic sphere INSIDE the torriod. Not above or in the center/core.

One other question... if 3,6 and 9 relate to the magnetic field that's created, 9 being positive and 3/6 being negative, what happens if you turn the torroid upside down? Do the magnetic poles reverse? Hopefully that makes sense.

Terry

[logos]

Thanks for the reply Logos. I've seen many video's of people placing magnetic spheres in the "core" of the Rodin coil and in a dish above the torroid, but no video's of the magnetic sphere inside the torroid itself.

I was googling imaging Rodin coils last night and came across "nuclear toroid's". I know nothing about this subject, but from some of the images it looks like they are sending plasma around the inside of the torroid. Jamie mentioned something about Marko thinking plasma was the way forward and I wonder if this principle could be tested by placing a magnetic sphere INSIDE the torriod. Not above or in the center/core.

One other question... if 3,6 and 9 relate to the magnetic field that's created, 9 being positive and 3/6 being negative, what happens if you turn the torroid upside down? Do the magnetic poles reverse? Hopefully that makes sense.

Terry

the 9,6,3,

9 is the line of symmetry of which the 6 3 oscillate on.

9 9 9 9
+3 | -6 +6 | -3 +3 | -6 +6 | -3 etc.

[morpher44]

magnetic field as circuit...

Saw this tonight... really good:

Phi VBM Tori Array - YouTube

I had given the Rodin coil some thoughts a couple of years ago.
One thing that bothered me about it is that the circuit Rodin
describes, to me, makes most sense as a magnetic flow,
not a WIRING diagram.

Using the right-hand rule, might it not be possible to work
backwards from a magnetic field that you want to be "flowing"
in the Rodin style, to the actual WIRING diagram for wires
that would be needed to MAKE that magnetic field.
Just a thought. I wonder if there is a mathematically proof
that shows "they are the same" ... or that they can coexist
on the toroid somehow.

A cylinder shaped magnet, with the appropriate diameter and width,
creates a toroidal shaped magnetic field around it. The same would
be true of a solenoid with similar dimensions.
In the old radio days, the wiring of "lattice" style coils,
honeycomb, uni-lattice, bi-lattice coils, were found by Radio
Engineers to be the IDEAL coils for least self-capacitance,
large inductance, low resistance, etc. Such coils took more wire,
by the angles where wires cross offered a very "small" capacitance
since there is a little "diamond" shape where the two wires touch,
instead of one wire lying on another wire in traditional solenoid winding.
Think of the capacitor as the SPEED cop ... or a SHORT CIRCUIT
in the coil. When frequencies get going higher, the properties
change such that AC electricity will find the path of least resistance
to be the capacitance between wires ... and hence the coil is shorting
itself out -- essentially. A winding style that keeps the wires AWAY
from each other (to avoid self-capacitance), and one which
has the wires cross as INFREQUENTLY as possible with the smallest
cross-sectional area of crossing, would offer the IDEAL inductance.
Bigger inductance means BIGGER magnetic field as well.

The amazing thing about magnetic fields, like LIGHT, they can
manifest in space at the speed of light ... and quickly disappear as well.
This CANNOT happen if the coil has self-capacitance which
imposes a LIMIT on how fast you can bring a magnetic field
into existence rapidly. Further, for power generation, it is
"oscillating" magnetic fields that matter for power ... NOT static fields.
So we want very quick fields .. Physics knows there is MORE
energy at the higher frequencies.

Imagine being able to create ONE-TESLA in the blink of an eye.
For example, let us suppose you could do that for only 1 nanoSecond.
The ONE-TESLA field could spread out 30cm ... in a sphere.
Think of what would occur to all the particles in that space that
respond to magnetic fields. They would all MOVE ... their vectors would
change.

The Rodin style coil winding has some problems...

1) wires can be NEAR each other, linearly, and thus have self-capacitance
2) wires are crossing near the center -- and not necessarily at ideal angles
3) it is difficult to wind because you have to pass the spool of wire
THRU the hole...
4) the magnetic field around a Rodin can be kept in the toroid if used
as a transfomer (two circuits), or burst out if used to EMIT the field.
As a passive receiver, it probably isn't very good unless there is a
little bit of energy to maintain a subtle vortex in the shape...
Its unclear how to extract ambient power from this shape.
5) its difficult to scale up to a LARGER inductance. The core material
could be ferromagnetic, but if shaped like a toroid, this may go
against what your trying to do. A more cylinder-shape has been
proven to hold in the field better.

I'm starting to think what we really want are coil winding styles like
the "lattice" coil styles of the old radio days. Many man years went
into finding which geometries work best.... and all this human art may
apply to the subtle hobby of extracting power from the ambient
environment as well.

I am also starting to think that the PHI ratio plays an important
role here in terms of WIRE-CROSSING-ANGLE, how many PEGS
for the "lattice" coil, all applied to the geometries chosen.
Take the wire-crossing angle problem. I haven't found much written
about. There is some stuff in "Wireless Magazine" dating back to the
1920s. Statements were made giving the impressing that a mathematical
proof for the ideal would not be easily had.

I think in addition to the concern of self-capacitance due to the wires
crossing (or being near each other, or laying side-by-side in the coil),
there is the other problem of what arrangement gives the BEST
magnetic field. The purpose of the coil is to bridge the energy between
the "current" in wires and magnetic fields in space.

So you would think finding this IDEAL wire-crossing angle would
be important.
I propose that it might be the pyramid angle ... 51 degrees, 50 minutes,
under some circumstances depending upon the geometries involved.
This angel is NEAR 45 degrees, but NOT 45. The problem with 45,
is you get essentially a SQUARE for the capacitance between wires.
This is a BIG AREA. So you need to move away from 45.
Another problem with 45, or 90 degrees, is that the magnetic field
is no good. At 45 degrees, the two fields around the wires are bucking.
At 90 degrees the fields are at right angles ... no good.
So there is some MAGIC angle between 45 and 90 ... that is ideal.
Find that angle, and you have optimized your coil design.
-morpher44

[morpher44]

Rodin Coilpacitor

Here is another thought to contemplate regarding Rodin Coil designs.

All the wires are CROSSING at the hole in the center
of the toroid, this is the location of the coil, therefore, where
all the capacitance of the coil is happening. Each wire crossing
is a little micro-capacitor. The bridge between electro-static
and electro-magnetic can happen in this location.

So, the self-resonance that occurs, making the coil a tank-circuit,
occurs because of all the capacitance HERE.

Given that this is so, might it not make sense PHYSICALLY
to put your capacitance here INTENTIALLY.
I.e. to make a RODIN TANK Toroid that is part coil,
part capacitor, with a self-oscillation "designed" to be at
some frequency.
For example, a circular PLATE capacitor could be put in this hole,
NEAR enough to the wires, but not touching them. AC currents
should be able to move back and forth between PLATEs and COILs...
making this a "Coil-pacitor" ... or tank circuit.

Just an idea to contemplate.

[Raphael37]

I agree that symmetry is not the desired geometry.
Look at any crystal, there is a lack of symmetry in the geometry and that is mimicking the massfree energy aether which constructed it....I learned that from UFO researcher David Serada.
David Sereda - Zero Point Energy
If you want to control the field you must replicate the field geometry....structure and function cannot be seperated.
Thats what Tesla was doing when he experimented with different geometries.
Symmetry is not always the goal....

I will quote a dead man because he was wise while alive.


RIP Junglelord

Junglelord mentioned a few things....which resonate with me.

1/ .... there is a lack of symmetry in the geometry and that is mimicking the massfree energy aether which constructed it

AND

2/ .... If you want to control the field you must replicate the field geometry....structure and function cannot be seperated.
Thats what Tesla was doing when he experimented with different geometries.

3/ ... Symmetry is not always the goal....

So what does the asymmetrical field geometry look like that should be replicated because STRUCTURE and FUNCTION cannot be separated?

IMHO the model should resemble ONE of the EIGHT auspicious symbols of the Buddha!

Also note that Roger Penrose's Twistor Model (second image from the left) actually has a Marko Rodin torus as part of its inner structure!

Here are a few candidates for the ASYMMETRICAL modEL:



To see why I arrived at those models go here:
NAZI BELL – Viktor Schauberger – Hans Jenny – Roger Penrose – Jay Harman – Frank Chester – Crop Circles all ‘resonate’ on Twistor Theory | Alternative Thinking 37

ASYMMETRY is clearly the KEY.

Because ALL spirals/vortices/helices are in fact ASYMMETRICAL.

namaste

[Raphael37]

Here is another thought to contemplate regarding Rodin Coil designs.

All the wires are CROSSING at the hole in the center
of the toroid, this is the location of the coil, therefore, where
all the capacitance of the coil is happening. Each wire crossing
is a little micro-capacitor. The bridge between electro-static
and electro-magnetic can happen in this location.

So, the self-resonance that occurs, making the coil a tank-circuit,
occurs because of all the capacitance HERE.

Given that this is so, might it not make sense PHYSICALLY
to put your capacitance here INTENTIALLY.
I.e. to make a RODIN TANK Toroid that is part coil,
part capacitor, with a self-oscillation "designed" to be at
some frequency.
For example, a circular PLATE capacitor could be put in this hole,
NEAR enough to the wires, but not touching them. AC currents
should be able to move back and forth between PLATEs and COILs...
making this a "Coil-pacitor" ... or tank circuit.

Just an idea to contemplate.

So lest us not forget those that came before us.
And remembering what Junglelord suggested in the last post...

If you want to control the field you must replicate the field geometry....structure and function cannot be seperated.
Thats what Tesla was doing when he experimented with different geometries.

...It is clear to me that the lines crossing at the center should be offset.

please note that NATURE has found APPLICATIONS for the following images!

as in Solomon's Molecular Knot:



APPLICATION:
UCLA Chemists Make Molecular Rings in the Shape of King Solomon’s Knot, a Symbol of Wisdom / UCLA Newsroom

Pythagoras and Chase Bank are on the same page....



APPLICATION:
Unified Discussion The OX TOE

Everybody is on the same page as the Jaina Cross in fact!
Because the pre-Christian Jaina Cross is a PERFECT match for the 21st century NANO Light Mill that uses the same design 'unchanged' over thousands of years!



Image on the left was taken out of a 1894 publication about the Migration of the Swastika.
Image on the right was taken out of a Science Digest published July 2010.

APPLICATION:
Efficient nano motor cleverly harnesses light - physicsworld.com

APPLICATION/S:
NANO World APPLICATIONS for the SWASTIKA – the true blue AVATAR | Alternative Thinking 37



Raphael

[logos]

i wonder what would happen if you placed a leedskalnin-type flywheel and spin it inside of a rodin coil.\?

[logos]

or better yet,

a metalic core with the wires wrapped around in the Rcoil cashion and then a wrapping of sheet metal around the coil. then bolt it to the floor and give the flywheel a twirl ;D

the magnetic field would probably be HUGE!

[logos]

and i would use insulated wire for leedskalnin experiments and perhaps noninsulated to create a supercoil.

of course.. what do i know?