Joseph Newman Principles

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I started this thread to have a discussion about Joseph Newman's principles and the simple ideas he has been pointing out for some time now.
These are some of the things I wish to be discussed as quoted from Newman.
"The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer."
and this is a practical example he points out.
"Take 40 gauge copper wire which has a resistance of 1,049 ohms for 1000 feet with a total weight of a mere .02993 lbs., turning same into a coil with a 10 foot interior and 8.32 feet in height. One would therefore have approximately a mere 31.8 turns of copper wire. If 100 volts is connected the this coil, then a current flow approximately 95MA would occur with total power input of 9.5 watts and a resulting weak, magnetic field of .012 Gauss or a mere .000014 joules of energy stored in this weak, magnetic field. An insignificant current flow would now occur if the current input was stopped and the coil was shorted out to collapse a weak magnetic field and provide an inductance of only .003 Henries.
Now conduct another test with 5 gauge copper wire which has a resistance of .3133 Ohms for 1000 feet. However to equal the same resistance as in previous coil, one must now use 3,348,000 feet of 5 gauge wire with a massive, total weight of 335,469.6 lbs. or 16.77 tons. Such wire is turned into a coil with a 10-foot interior diameter and 8.32 foot height. This structure would have a phenomenal 90,000 turns of 5-gauge wire. If 100 volts were now connected to this coil, then a current flow of approximately 95MA could occur with a total power input of 9.5 watts and a resulting, phenomenally larger magnetic field of 23.7 Gauss, or 1,905 times larger than the other previously discussed coil, and 116 joules of energy stored in the magnetic field. This represents a phenomenal 8 million times more energy than in the 40 gauge coil previously discussed. A phenomenally larger current flow would now occur if the current flow was stopped and this coil was shorted out as a result of the collapsing, much greater magnetic field of tthe 5 gauge coil. Such shorting would generate an inductance of 25,700 Henries, which is better than 8 million times the inductance of the 40 gauge coil. Clearly these facts, prove beyond doubt that Oersted's conclusion in 1820 (Which is still taught to this day) That the magnetic field came only from the current to be totally false. This clearly proves that the phenomenal difference in strength for the resulting magnetic fields (implying great differences in stored energy) and additional current flow when the input current was stopped. Had to come from the gyroscopic particles comprising the component parts of the atoms within the copper coil."

So these ideas are along the theme of what I would like to discuss and hear your thoughts on.
peace love light
Tyson

[Joit]

Hi,
I cant say exactly, what is inductive or magnetic at Copper, if it are the Parts in it, or the Copper itself.
But anyhow i would like Iron more because of the self induction.
For the Examples of his Wires, it should work in a smaller dimension too, to compare ie AWG30 to AWG15 Wire.
You can feed both with lower Current, and should get the same Result.
What i did play around with his Motor, the Coil creates indeed a big EM field,
and, as far the strenght of the Magnets are right, the Field itself is able without connection to the Batterie to move the Rotor further.
For the Coils, it seems its partially like this, you need a certain amount of current to get movement into the Coil, even at thicker Wire or smaller Wire,
but at last, its only temporary, you can not really store Energy into the Coil, only initialize it.
He use a huge Amount of Wire, probatly this can make a different at the Efficience from the Coils,
but at the other Side, i found out, that you need a Load against the Movement of the Rotor, or against the EM field.
Newman did do that to with a second, matching Coil or a Load like a Waterpump.
And yes, i will confirm, that a bigger Coil with thicker Wire will create high Spikes, at powering the Coil with the same Voltage as a Coil with thinner Wire.
But even a big Coil with thin Wire can create tickling Sparks, uusedman can tell you something from it :P.
But i had Problems to catch this Energy proper, seems our new alkali-manganese battery are not the first Choice for that.

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[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Ash, thanks for the link and your efforts in this arena as well. Hi Joit, thanks for the reply, the real purpose of me even posting this thread, even if it goes nowhere, is so folks might realize the usefulness of these things. As Newman points out even resistive material can be applied in the same manner and one should be able to obtain beyond COP>1.0 as far as heat output. In one of his videos he shows a motor pumping water, think it is the 'Big Eureka' video, and when he removes input power the inertia of the machine alone powers the pump for awhile afterwards. This brings back memories of a ride I went on at an amusement park in Wisconsin that had a human powered ride with 2 cages at each end of a giant rotor bar that when inside the cages and you shifted your weight the giant ride started to rotate and you could keep this thing rotating which was a large mass. Hmm, wonder how much energy could be extracted from that shaft with our tiny weight shifting around, i was probably around 10 years old, so I couldn't have weighed more than a 100 lbs. So I think the motor aspect gets even more energy from the masses inertia as well. Just a few thoughts for now.
peace love light
Tyson

[uusedman]

Hello SkyWatcher

I was first introduced to the FE world though joseph newman. The Newman motor principal required much less electronics knowledge compared to the Bedini circuit. I started out with a thick wire of about 8 gauge and only 50 - 70 turns and the battery almost exploded on my , because of to little resistance. Then I started experimenting with thinner gauge of wire of 22. There was one experiment that I did which powered the motor non-stop 24 hours on .08 volts! I was not collecting the Bemf because I did not how ("now I know how "). You can take literally dead batteries and run the motor as efficient as the working battery as long as the volts are equal in volts. I had dead dry cells that are dried up and dead, put them in series with the battery bank and the motor will increase in power equivalent to the amount of volts.

Yes, current does not play in the Newman Motor, its principal are based on volts and not current. Also, very important that you must use liquid or lead-acid batteries. A flywheel is important to establish the mass momentum inertie. As Mr. Newman points out that E=mc squared applies to the humongous flywheel.

My latest Newman was 30 gauge of wired wound around a 6 inch interior, about 9 miles long. I have yet to fully explored my little monster. Joit and I had a earlier forum discussing setting up a circuit to collect the Bemf. With the little knowledge that I have gained from my peers here on this forum, no electronic component will handle the collapse magnetic field, this must be totally mechanical switching.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi uusedman, thanks for the reply. Yes and just imagine if you used 10,000 turns of that 8 gauge wire, that would be one heck of an electromagnet for sipping of power. I am trying to think of ways to best use this principle without costing too much, since obviously the more material mass we use the more production efficient it becomes. One can easily test these things, last night just to be sure it is the truth I made 2 air core coils of 18gauge copper wire one at about 200millohms and 2.4V input and observed field by holding neo magnet above, then with a coil of same gauge wire at about 600milliohms at 2.4V input and the magnetic field strength was at least 4 times greater. Now some might argue here that the batteries I was using were just dropping in voltage with the lower resistance coil causing the lower magnetic field in that coil, however the lower resistance coil quickly became much hotter than the other coil therefore any more input would not even result in a greater magnetic field, only more heat and a degradation of the existing magnetic field. This should work with resistance material as well and am going to set something up to test this also.
peace love light
Tyson

[Joit]

Costing to much, Thats a hook at his Motor, lol.
I think he did pay for the Wire sometimes 2000$ sometimes more.
I do find a lot of wire in old E-motors, usual you can get out 2 Coils or 3 Coils with same Ohms.
When you want avoide the Heat, you need to put a Resistor equal Size or a Pot with the Coil in Serie, that it gives a Balance to the Coil.
But its anyway a bit different, he had a turning Magnet inside, and his Comutator only did connect for a Moment, actually he did pulse it.
After a turn of 180° from the Rotor, the Commutator did switch Polarity, and he pulsed it again.
It is, because the Coil forms a Field into one Direction.
One Pole, ie N from the Magnet get attracted from the Field.
After 180° from the Rotor, the Field need to be switched, that the Rotor can turn the other Direction.
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/comm1.gif
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/comm2.gif
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/comm4.jpg
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/nosc1.jpg

But anyway, the Coil was pulsed, and, with the Magnet inside, the Coil stays cold.
Seems the Magnet inside has something special.
I did read anywhere lately, that the Magnet, or the Pole from it, should be even with the Start or End from the Coil, not sure, if it has a better Effect.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Joit, thanks for reply. Yes the cost is an issue although probably not helped by those in this world that would try and inflate the cost, though other materials could be used. But remember the huge prototype motors he built were just to show in a grand undeniable way that what he says about the copper being the fuel and we only provide the spark or catalyst to be accurate. It's really not much different than what Bearden speaks of about not killing the source dipole, he's just doing it with a massive length of copper. I'm more focused on thinking up something solid state that's why I'm liking the idea of the resistive material more, because wouldn't have to worry as much about anything impeding our input. So we could have all the walls in our homes lined with a resistive material and heat the home with a small solar panel and wind generator and offset that with human power exercycle generator bike. Just thinking here is all.
peace love light
Tyson

[Joit]

Hi,
and lol. I hope noone get beamed up from Scotty, when you live inside such a huge EM field.
But otherwise, they made lately Experiments with EM fields to Plants,
and after irradiate them at certain Frequencies, or raise them in a certain EM Field, they did grow like they did before 100 000 Years.
Ferns did raise in Forms like at Stoneage, and Trouts got an other underjaw and grow mainly bigger.
So seems like, the EM Field from the Earth did change.
And maybe this is the change in Time, that the waves go faster, or slower? I dont know, lol.
But anyhow, i think, the Point, to keep the Dipole, like T. Bearden says,
is probatly a good Point.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Joit, thanks for the reply. Yes maybe it could be tuned to harmonious biological frequencies. I ran another simple test that was more in line with Newman's principles. I took 24gauge copper wire and made air-core coil of 1 ohm and then made an air-core coil with 18gauge copper wire of 1 ohm. I did this so the voltage dip from the 4.8V battery would be the same. This test showed that the 18gauge coil had at least 4 times greater magnetic field and again the lower mass 24gauge coil heated up rather quickly with the magnetic field becoming weaker.
The mass of the 24gauge coil is .75 ounces and the mass of the 18gauge coil is 12.32 ounces.
I am starting to see the distortions such as using ampturns, which is not an accurate gauge just as one cannot use measurement units that are ill defined between systems, like comparing apples to oranges.

[eternalightwithin]

I want to try this. Looking at Mcmaster.com You guys know of a cheaper place to get wire?

So what changes then between 24g at 1ohm and 18g at 1 ohm? It would have to be the number of turns, right? As the resistance was the same, you would need more turns of 18 gauge to make 1 ohm than the 24 gauge wire.
Voltage drop the same and current dissipated the same. 24 gauge coil heated up more because it had to dissipate more current and not put it towards electro-magnetic field? (due to smaller cross section)

Question 2: If you use iron wire, with several layers, wouldn't the previous layers act as a iron core?

David

P.S. Been awhile since college physics

Hi Joit, thanks for the reply. Yes maybe it could be tuned to harmonious biological frequencies. I ran another simple test that was more in line with Newman's principles. I took 24gauge copper wire and made air-core coil of 1 ohm and then made an air-core coil with 18gauge copper wire of 1 ohm. I did this so the voltage dip from the 4.8V battery would be the same. This test showed that the 18gauge coil had at least 4 times greater magnetic field and again the lower mass 24gauge coil heated up rather quickly with the magnetic field becoming weaker.
The mass of the 24gauge coil is .75 ounces and the mass of the 18gauge coil is 12.32 ounces.
I am starting to see the distortions such as using ampturns, which is not an accurate gauge just as one cannot use measurement units that are ill defined between systems, like comparing apples to oranges.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi eternalightwithin, thanks for the reply. To be more accurate it would be best to view the 18guage coil as having more mass of copper and at the same time causing less heat to be generated and more magnetic field because the threshold limit point whereby any more input starts to only emit heat and this threshold is greater in the larger mass. I made this smaller test to make it real obvious the effect of different masses at same resistance, because i could have made the 24gauge coil a higher resistance and there would have been much less heat. If you read the Joseph Newman pdf book that is posted here you'll find that the predicted output results don't match the actual measured output results, however the formulas do predict the input correctly, which shows the math formulas don't properly take into account COP or production efficiency when an over abundance of copper mass is used along with the collapsing field energy. I thought about that myself, using a ferromagnetic, insulated wire in some kind of configuration, could be interesting to try something like that. Let me know what ya think.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi again, also would like to point out that this same principle could be used in Rosemary's heater circuit when using a copper coil in series with the inductive resistor, with at least 10Lbs. of copper the flyback may exceed COP>1.0 and give excess heat in the resistor and whatever use one may find for using the primary magnetic field in a non-impeding way although probably wouldn't even be necessary to exceed COP>1.0. Just a few more thoughts.
peace love light
Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is an interesting graph and numbers from Newmans book that highlight some things.

[eternalightwithin]

Ahh, Thanks SKywatcher. I haven't got around to reading the pdf yet. Maybe I should do that! It would have prevented me from pounding my head on the keyboard repeatedly last night in frustration, due to the fruitless googling of gauss equations regarding coil turns!

David