Joseph Newman Principles

[h20power]

I may not agree with all of his work but how he describes magnetism is just about correct. The reason no one can tell the position of an electron is they assume it travels in an elliptical pattern when nothing in nature, and I mean nothing, travels in an elliptical pattern. Not the planets, not the galaxies, not the universes, not even our very own moon. Now if you add Newman's work with that of Viktor Schauberger's then you will get a complete picture of how it all really works. The electrons travel in an egg shaped pattern. Now NASA found out the hard way that the planets do not travel in an elliptical pattern by actually losing a satellite when they first tried to send one to orbit Mars.

But no one ever made the changes to our books that we teach our children and young adults with. As a results of the left hand never talking to the right hand we live in a world of ignorance compounded by regurgitated wrong-full teachings of the past. Basically that means most people never do anything except repeat the mistakes of the past by quoting the mistaken teachers of the past.

Now with my work on water I think I have found out just why it is a compound unlike any other and why it can to the amazing things it does. Here is a simple experiment that sheds some light on what I am talking about and I will go over it for those who need a hand in understanding the concepts taking place in this video:
YouTube - Walter Lewin Makes a Battery out of Cans and Water Now the properties of water that make this possible are as follows; Water being a polar molecule, water being a dielectric liquid, water being a diamagnetic substance, and the most important of all, the self-ionization of water (also auto ionization of water, and auto dissociation of water) is the chemical reaction in which two water molecules react to produce a hydronium ion (H3O+) and a hydroxide ion (OH−): 2 H2O (l) H3O+ (aq) + OH− (aq).
Now you can repeat this experiment with any liquid on earth and if it doesn't have these characteristics it will not produce lightning. These characteristics are what make life possible, along with some other characteristics like cohesion and adhesion and others I didn't mention, and also it is how lightning storms truly work. Without water we have nothing no life as we no it would exist.
To the average person, water is an ordinary substance often taken for granted. Even though the cause of these unique and unusual properties is explainable at the atomic level, water is truly a remarkable substance.


h2opower.

[Joit]

Forgotten Technologie.
Kelvin-Generator

[patmac]

I designing my own plans to build one....

@Skywatcher

After many months ago, I'm working again with my idea about to build a real OU Newman Machine, I've been reading the Newman's book and I've calculated some materials and sizes.

Ok, Newman suggest some that remember me Bearden about only use potential or voltage without current, this is visible on newman machines, then my purpose to the coil is:

To switch off faster than current begins to create heat we need about 20 - 30 km copper wire using mechanical switching.

Then I would need about 10 kg of AWG #30 copper wire,

AWG 30 = 0.486 Kg / Km & 340 ohm / km

This give me > 20 km and > 6.8 kohm. Power IN would be so low as < 20 ma @ 120 volts = 2.4 Watts.

Then the current flow on 20 km copper wire on speed of light 300.000 km/seconds.

Minimal conmutation would be:

if 300.000 km/sec then 20 / 300.000 = 0.06 Mili Seconds.

I think the idea is use a wire so length as be possible and not high impendance or very heavy. But to reach high inductance and high magnetic field yes we need many copper mass. Newman suggest that is possible get OU when you correctly put the voltage necessary to align the atoms on a coil and switching the coil correctly. In this way I think my designe can get OU easily like solid state too....

The magnets on the market here I can get coin type 25mm X 3mm, I think use 20 magnets stacked this givve a magnet 6 centimeters lenght X 2.5 cm.

I think newman machine can works like generator perfectly attached on high eff DC motor. Newman design the high efficiency energy convercion is guaranteed.

By now this is my purpose I my ears is open to new ideas.

[elias]

Hello,

I did a few experiments yesterday. I had a tri-filar coil for my SSG and I measured the efficiency in two configurations: two filars serial to each-other and parallel to each-other, in both configurations the efficiency was almost the same. Here are my conclusions about the Newman Machine:

1- The coil with more turns consumes less current but the same magnetic field, thus the same force is exerted with less current.

2- The coil with more turns generates more Back-EMF when operating and causes a "compensation effect" for its capability for producing more magnetic field.

3- The time constant does not change when we increase the turns of our coil and remains the same, depending only on the wire diameter.

4- The reason the Newman machine spins so slowly is not because of the time constant which is the same. The reason is the high Back-emf, as the rotor starts to speed up, a very high voltage builds up in the coil opposing the voltage we are providing to it because of its very high inductance, preventing the motor to speed up.

5- So the main drawback of a Newman machine which hinders its efficiency is the BACK-EMF generated by its enormous coil.

6- The workaround for this problem may be a Newman-Lindemann type of motor, which consists of a piece IRON rotating inside a HUGE coil.

A Newman-Lindemann type of motor, I suspect is something which may do what Newman claims. But these are some projected thoughts and experimentation is required.
So my suggestion for those wanting to build a Newman motor is "Use a bar of Iron inside a coil, instead of a magnet, and see what happens". Also remember to share your results .

Elias

[Allcanadian]

@TedEwert

Power is a product of work per unit of time. The long charging time constant of his big coil kills his overall power output. It's as simple as that.
And another thing... he uses this same specious argument to claim that copper is magnetic (which it obviously isn't). I would be happy to explain that one too, if anyone has a problem with it.

Power in watts is equal to Voltage times Current--- there is no time frame, Energy is measured in joules or watt seconds or power per unit of time.

P.S. You said: "Electrodynamics states the current is continuous in a closed circuit, the self-induction of the coil will oppose the applied voltage potential producing a magnetic field but current is continuous." This is incorrect. The current is what gets held up in a coil, not the voltage. The voltage appears instantly across the coil. The current only flows when the magnetic field is fully established.

Ohm's law states that the current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference or voltage across the two points, and inversely proportional to the resistance between them.

Current is continuous in a closed circuit, the flow of current which leaves the source returns to the source in the same time frame, an electric current is the flow of electrical charges. The applied voltage (potential difference) produces the flow of current, when the current starts flowing through the coil this produces a magnetic field. The expanding magnetic field cuts the conductors of the coil and induces a Cemf or voltage opposing the applied voltage due to Lenz law, limiting the current flow. The applied voltage is opposed because a voltage(potential difference) in motion is a current, are you saying the voltage runs through the wires with no current?
Read this--http://www.tpub.com/neets/book2/2a.htm
This is why coils oppose changes in current, increasing current as well as a decreasing current. If as you say--"The current only flows when the magnetic field is fully established"-- then what produced the magnetic field?
Regards
AC

[Ted Ewert]

@TedEwert


Power in watts is equal to Voltage times Current--- there is no time frame, Energy is measured in joules or watt seconds or power per unit of time.
Current is continuous in a closed circuit, the flow of current which leaves the source returns to the source in the same time frame, an electric current is the flow of electrical charges. The applied voltage (potential difference) produces the flow of current, when the current starts flowing through the coil this produces a magnetic field. The expanding magnetic field cuts the conductors of the coil and induces a Cemf or voltage opposing the applied voltage due to Lenz law, limiting the current flow. The applied voltage is opposed because a voltage(potential difference) in motion is a current, are you saying the voltage runs through the wires with no current?
Read this--http://www.tpub.com/neets/book2/2a.htm
This is why coils oppose changes in current, increasing current as well as a decreasing current. If as you say--"The current only flows when the magnetic field is fully established"-- then what produced the magnetic field?
Regards
AC

We are talking about a pulse here, not a continuous voltage.
Nevertheless, let go over it again... There is continuous current emanating from the power source. However, when power is first initiated, as in a pulse, current is used to create the magnetic field and does not flow out the other end of the inductor. However, VOLTAGE is not so constrained and appears instantly across the inductor. This is why there is a time differential, commonly referred to as a phase shift, between voltage and current when AC passes through an inductor.
It takes ENERGY(voltage + current + time) to create a magnetic field in a coil. It doesn't magically produce itself from "magnetic copper" no matter how big the coil is. Different types of coils can have wildly different properties, but there is no huge gain regarding this particular phenomenon as Newman claims. He's just playing with numbers.
It's unfortunate that these discussions routinely get derailed by hair splitting debates about semantics and basic electronics. However, if this helps to show people that Newman's theories are largely full of BS, it may be worth it.

Ted

[elias]

It takes ENERGY(voltage + current + time) to create a magnetic field in a coil. It doesn't magically produce itself from "magnetic copper" no matter how big the coil is. Different types of coils can have wildly different properties, but there is no huge gain regarding this particular phenomenon as Newman claims.

Ted,

You mentioned three components for energy: (voltage + current + time) which I agree upon. Now consider a wire. If we use 10 meter of that wire to build a coil, we have a coil with inductance L, and resistance R, if we use 1000 meters of that wire to build a coil we have a coil with inductance 100L and resistance 100R. as the "time constant" of our R-L circuit is equal to L/R, the time constant remains the same, meaning that increasing the number of turns in a coil does not change the time required to charge it.

So if we apply the same voltage V to the both coils, what we have is:

coil 1: V I T B
coil 2: V I/100 T B

Now it is simply evident that we are putting one percent of the current required for coil 1 to produce magnetic field B, in the same time period T.

The reason the Newman machine spins so slowly, is the high back EMF generated because of the high inductance of his coil, so his motor has to run with low RPM to have more efficiency, because his coils can build up to high voltage so rapidly, with their high inductance.

I think that experimenting with a BACK-EMF less type of motor like a Newman-Lindemann may be worth it. Because the magnetic field is there and IT DOES exert good amount of force, with less current, but the question is how can we do work with it without compromising our extra gain. Using a bar of Iron may be a better solution to solving the Newman machine's low RPM problem.

Regards
Elias

[nilrehob]

If we use 10 meter of that wire to build a coil, we have a coil with inductance L, and resistance R, if we use 1000 meters of that wire to build a coil we have a coil with inductance 100L and resistance 100R.

This is not correct. You cannot multiply like that to get the new L.
Example from real life using #23 wire on spools with same length and diameter with air core:
wire length 40m: 2.6 mH 2.43 Ohm
wire length 400m: 177 mH 24.3 Ohm
There are also formulas for this to consult:
Inductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As you can see all formulas have N^2 in them (and then some extra stuff).

Copy/paste from a transformer-manual:
"Discrete inductors combine like resistors, when connected in series or parallel. For example, inductors in series add and inductors in parallel reduce in a way similar to Ohm’s Law. Windings on the same magnetic core behave differently. Two windings in series result in four times the inductance of a single winding. This is because the inductance varies proportionately to the square of the turns."

/Hob

[sucahyo]

1- The coil with more turns consumes less current but the same magnetic field, thus the same force is exerted with less current.

How do you measure the magnetic field? How many wound is that? So your experiment proof that bifilar in series has same amount of magnetic field as bifilar in paralel? Even when bifilar in series require half amount of current?

Would two very long wire with same length and different gauge produce same magnetic field? Would they produce same coil collapse current?

Would two wire with same impedance but with different length produce different magnetic field even if both has same current?

[Allcanadian]

@Tedewert

It's unfortunate that these discussions routinely get derailed by hair splitting debates about semantics and basic electronics. However, if this helps to show people that Newman's theories are largely full of BS, it may be worth it.

Sometimes people will believe what they want irregardless of the other person's perspective, personally I would be more inclined to believe someone who has found success with this technology rather than someone who has not.
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." --Albert Einstein

Regards
AC

[nilrehob]

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." --Albert Einstein

/Hob

[Ted Ewert]

@Tedewert

Sometimes people will believe what they want irregardless of the other person's perspective, personally I would be more inclined to believe someone who has found success with this technology rather than someone who has not.
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." --Albert Einstein

Regards
AC

Believe whatever you want. Newman's motor is one thing and his theories are another. Just because his motor works the way it does doesn't mean his theories about the underlying physics are correct.
But don't take my word for it by any means. Build a giant Newman motor of your own and power your house. You'll only need to spend about $100K to build the thing and a small barn of it's own to put it in.
Of course, if you took the same amount of money and put it into solar panels, you could power your whole street. Or even buy a conventional motor / generator and power it with high efficiency HHO system. But then you wouldn't have a giant motor turning that huge magnetic rotor and interfering with every TV set and computer monitor within 300 meters. Shielding the motor barn: $20k (minimum).
Newman is a little nuts. He likes a lot of attention and has a big ego, so he fills in the large gaps in his knowledge with bull$hit. He's a free energy advocate and a showman, but he's also disingenuous.
His motor is impractical since it's huge, heavy and very expensive. It doesn't put out enough power to be cost effective either. It's an interesting phenomenon and well worth studying, but it aint going to save the planet.

Ted

[baroutologos]

Ted i like you.

Apart from the fact that noones has been able to replicate Newman motor as far i know, besides even that and his new universe theories, even we overlook those things, we are left with an classics physics defying machine of no use.

It is of paramount importance to produce something of use. And in fact better cost effectiveness than solar or even wind power.

Remember that marginal OU devices could be made easily as cosmic rays, static charge, thermal heat (Crooks device) wtc could be captured and demonstrate ou. usefullness is another story on itself.

Baroutologos

[patmac]

Ok. Newman machine is very cost vs results. But you can see somes similarities with Bedini Systems, only Bedini only use the minimal cost to reach some high eff or COP>1 in some cases, but if you take a look on his better machines are very costly too, on his page you can see the 10 Monopole kit by U$ 3500-3800 output is not specified only says "output is unkown but is very much energy". The idea here is identified what elements are more important to build a COP>1 device. I've studied some devices on overunity.com, and is similar if you use a coil setup, this coil uses 5 lbs at least.

Classical EM suggest you to build a motor only need a good core and magnetic strength depends on amperage drawing, then we make the calculations and we take the AWG table and we choose the correct wire for stabilize the AMP drawing depending of voltage applied avoiding the MAX amperage supported by the wire diameter, then we are using copper on MAX amp specification then only a little part of energy create the magnetic field and very much energy create heat. AC induction motors can reach 80 C, easily.

FE is not cheap but why waste money to build a device COP<1?. This is my point, if we look the Newman replications attemps on overunity.com only one use the correct specification. Jnlabs looks right too, only using 6 lbs of copper aprox. I would like to try it, if newman is alright then using this type of coils is possible build a switching on solid state mode and get more output.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for the replies. I think the solid state is the easiest route, however using P. Lindemanns attraction motor setup with just iron for rotor would be ideal since we can get the flyback plus the torque without countering our input. What I was thinking is that a unit that would fit in half a garage to power say an apartment building, until such time when these motors are developed for single homes. With such a large attraction motor, tolerances could be much less so as most anyone could build one. So I'm talking about a motor which when one is built, it can be used to show that it works and is powering a house or whatever then more will want one built for their communities or what have you. The only problem with solid state is that the initial building of the field will not be used and if it were, would, as in most cases cause counter effects whereas attracting iron does not. Though a resonant coil setup with lots of copper would probably be very efficient. Just a few thoughts.
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