Baron Karl von Reichenbach and Od Energy

[Shamus]

I've searched for a thread dealing with the Baron and it seems there isn't any, so I'm making one explicitly. Please try to stay on topic so that we can keep the S/N ratio high.

To those of you who have never heard of the Baron or Od the following is mandatory reading:

Luminous World - Baron Karl von Reichenbach - Od Energy

If the accounts of the Baron and his observations is true, then this is a most incredible and overlooked field of study. Even more incredible is that apparently you don't have to be a sensitive to see the phenomenon: All that's required is quiet and immersion in a completely dark environment for a length of time. And a source of Od energy, of course.

If anyone has any experience with this sort of thing, you're more than welcome to share that here.

[sucahyo]

Very interesting article. Thank you for posting this article. It take a while to read all of it but in the end I am happy that I read it . It is a must read for everyone have interest in unconventional medical device.

"New knowledge! First, sensitives could actually detect and report the penetrating effects of a new energy species in moonlight. Second, this conducted energy was not itself light. Had it been light, its effects could not have provoked spasms by conductive contact alone. Not light, but carried along light-beams. A curious paradox! Third, this conducted energy produced defined sensations when physiologically contacted and conducted. Fourth, this unknown energy was capable of being both absorbed and conducted along metal wires. Fifth, it was neither electrical nor magnetic energy. Sixth, it became radiant when discharged from points across space. Seven, after brief exposures, matter could store the energy for prolonged periods. Eight, mirrors could reflect the currents. Nine, all of his sensitives gave closely identical reports during their independent sessions.
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Water exposed to direct sunlight had a "different taste", being cool and slightly acidulous. Water exposed to glass filtered sunlight tasted "warm and bitter".
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Water tumblers were each placed in its various color bands. Violet color bands producing cool and acidulated qualities, red color bands producing warm and nauseating qualities.
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Maybe heat energy is in resonant with red and cold energy is in resonant with violet. Maybe this is why people sucessfully get cold electricity have purple or green or violet light instead of normal red. It is interesting that light act as carrier for this Od energy, where different color carries different properties, even when the Od energy it self can also transfer to wire or glass.

It explain many thing, although I still find it hard to believe that people need the heat/negative energy. I also found different result on the electric vs magnet. My cup of water do not change taste even after 8 hour surrounded by 4 small speaker magnet, the water change taste in just 2 hour in radiant HV coil.

I also see the connection between current rectifying properties of crystal with it's Od directing feature. Maybe we can also use a couple of 275 amp diode to energize something too.

Because of this article I start to watch for my coil magnetic force direction. It seems the direction for magnetic force going down for my circuit is better (is this north or south?), one wire neon bulb glow better if the current rotate to the right (steer car to the right) seen from above.

[sucahyo]

Book published in google for additional reading:
Researches on magnetism, electricity ... - Google Books

[ashtweth]

Odic force by Karl von Reichenbach is meant is to be the same as Orgone or Ether by Trevor constable. Also check out Rudolf Steiner

[Shamus]

Yeah, after reading that bio on the Baron by Mr. Vasillatos I had this intuitive sense that this Odic force is Orgone and Aether by a different name. If that is indeed the case, then the implications are amazing and profound. And, assuming that the observations of Baron Reichenbach are true and accurate, there's a huge field just waiting to be explored.

I still have yet to try seeing Od myself as it requires quiet and absolute dark--both in woefully short supply these days. But I'm determined to try it, say with a crystal and a Bedini solid state charger. Assuming that Od is Aether, then the Baron's observations would open up a whole new area of this "field that isn't a field" (to quote Tom Bearden) for study and application. Imagine being able to see Aether working in an SSG.

@sucahyo: Thanks for that book--I'm sure it'll be interesting!

@ash: Never heard of Trevor Constable or Rudolf Steiner. Will definitely have to check those out.

[sucahyo]

Odic force by Karl von Reichenbach is meant is to be the same as Orgone or Ether by Trevor constable. Also check out Rudolf Steiner

I don't think Od energy is the same as orgone since from the description it is no use to collect the od energy because the source already exist everywhere at high quantity. While orgone is being collected for health purposes. I think Trevor Constable / Reich orgone is closer to Viktor Grebenikov Cavity Structure Effects where energy do not manifest it self at the pole of every magnet or of every electricity or of any energy emitting thing. The orgone energy seems to relate with geometry. They both may affect human but orgone has much noticable effect which can be felt (not seen) even by common people, while od energy can only be seen/felt by sensitive / trained people.

Rudolf Steiner focus on human enhancing using Od energy reading, same thing as many prana/chakra/aura/chi learning available today. While Karl Reichenbach look at how Od energy generated on things which has much less today's people interest.

I see Od energy relate to Tesla slow moving electricity which demonstrated by opening the switch of very high voltage and high current. And how Tom Bearden mention to only allow electron for moving and not this slow moving energy, maybe the key is to prevent the od energy to flow in the circuit.

The TOC of above link:

I still have yet to try seeing Od myself as it requires quiet and absolute dark--both in woefully short supply these days. But I'm determined to try it, say with a crystal and a Bedini solid state charger. Assuming that Od is Aether, then the Baron's observations would open up a whole new area of this "field that isn't a field" (to quote Tom Bearden) for study and application. Imagine being able to see Aether working in an SSG.

If this Od energy is true than we surely can tune our circuit after learning to read auro on any chi learning available everywhere in different name. It would make the difference if what we trying to achieve is electron movement without the Od energy which may have the destroying effect of UV light since it is the positive pole that produce this.

[ashtweth]

Hi sucahyo , Yes Orgone density is collected for health effects, but it is also every where and already exist in Nature. You can "see" orgone in various experiments in the heretics notes book, by James Demo. There are many visual effects.

>The orgone energy seems to relate with geometry,

There are many, not just geometry. Dont forget that this view is from Trevor and is the "chemical Ether" which is coming from Steiners teachings, Orgone as seen by Reich has been described only by his application of it, the same with Tervor as the chemical ether. Just a few more things to think about, a lot of Reichens credit Karl von Reichenbach with one of the first real discoveries of this life force energy, be it manifesting in many forms from each individual only by their application of it. .

Trevor and his late friend Dr Walter stark (Swiss ion expert) is a well known physicist and characterized the ether as identical to what the Hindus called Prana which in Vedantic philosophy, it is the notion of a vital, life-sustaining force of living beings and vital energy, comparable to the Chinese notion of Chi or Qi. Plus to Mana the concept of an impersonal force or quality that resides in people, animals, and inanimate objects.

The Mana concept is common to many Oceanic languages, including Melanesian, Polynesian, and Micronesian. And finally to the Lorentz force in electrical theory.

There is a vast scientific and philosophical record of this field dating back to ancient Greece and the American Indian shamans but this force has never fully been understood or covered by orthodoxy. The function of a Cloud buster which by its operating principles cannot be explained using orthodoxy clearly and unequivocally proves that this field exists. The cloud buster is the missing link for orthodoxy and is certainly a tangible physical device for attracting and directing this force. Or an Orgone motor.


Ash

[sucahyo]

I see. I think the difference of Orgone in cloud buster with Od energy in the duality part. Cloud buster do not have polarity, it always have the same negative energy characteristic, and I never heard about reversed tube or similar. Or is this because the two never been linked before that many orgone practicioner got unconsistent result, sometimes good and sometimes bad?

From my perspective growing up in a province where "inner strength" is commonly learned, there is a lot of kind of them, the may share the same name but there are distinct property of them. The effect on human range from more strength, uncutable skin, remote healing, remote killing, make fire, make wind, make electricity, even make the water burnable like I mention before, etc.

Some of them can be seen, some of them don't. Some of them can be felt, some of them dont. I don't see the point of generalizing them. If it's different let them have their own name. Treating them as same would be wrong because of their different characteristic the expected behaviour will be different too.

Some of the ancient knowledge in India also exist in here and practiced like Hanuman panca sona which I see it demonstrated twice, during elementary school and during college, where the head of the people removed and reattached after burrying them. Edit: And they still live.

There are difference between life sustaining force and "inner strength" commonly know as chi. Chi can be depleted, but you will not die when you run out of it. Chi can be used to do something to the life force, but life force has it's own strength too. People may generate and gather chi, but it has nothing to do with their life sustaining force. There are cases where people can not die before they transfer their chi to someone else, but that is different story.

Since now I know aura is part of nature, maybe I should start learning them. According to the book I have, we should be able to see the aura of people on bright environment, so we may no longer need to watch it in dark room if we learn it properly. Unfortunately I can't find book in internet for learning to read aura, anyone has link?

[Shamus]

@sucahyo: If you find any good info on aura training be sure to let us know!

It could well be that Orgone is different from Od, the problem is we just don't know. I do remember that in Mr. Vassilatos's book that he seemed to think that Radionics is linked with Od energy as well. Unfortunately for me, I know nothing about the subject--yet another thing to investigate.

I've been thinking a lot about this subject lately: If Od behaves the way the Baron says it does *and* it's also Aether then this has interesting implications, especially in light of the use of crystals and their ability to focus Od/Aether. This also brings to mind Gabriel Kron and his "cystal computer" that John Bedini talks about on his Kron page.

It seems to me that there is a connection between Od and Orgone, even if they're not the same thing, especially when you look at the construction of various Orgone generating objects such as the Tower Buster or Holy Hand Grenade (the Orgone folks, if nothing else, have a sense of humor ). Being able to look at those in a dark room to see what, if any Odic force comes from them would be quite interesting, to say the least.

I keep hoping someone with experience in this field will step up and share their experiences with us. C'mon folks, I know you're lurking out there.

[sucahyo]

Yes I will .

Another reason I think that orgone is different from Od energy is the statement in James Demeo writing:
SKEPTICAL INQUIRER SMEARS WILHELM REICH (AGAIN): A REBUTTAL

Each of these workers discovered or argued for a force conceptually similar to orgone: mass-free, yet capable of affecting or being bound to matter, participating in physical chemistry, metabolism, and heredity in some way, possessing measurable biological, meteorological, and cosmic components, reflectable by metal shielding, yet also amplifiable (and not extinguishable) through use of solid metal enclosures.

compared to Od energy, from the first link:

Fourth, this unknown energy was capable of being both absorbed and conducted along metal wires....The Baron's persistent and repeated experiments found that woolen cloth, especially in heavily woven layers, actually blocked the mystery currents.

also from james demeo page:
Growing Nonsense About Reich and Orgone on Global Internet

Over the last decade there has been a slow and steady growth of misinformation and distortion about Wilhelm Reich's work, found on the websites of people promoting things such as the Montauk Project or "Trance Channeling" the dead Reich from the grave, to milder mixtures of his ideas with mystical religious ideas.

Yes it would be interesting to see how Karl Reichenbach finding relate to crystal computer or crystal batteries.

[ashtweth]

Great info there guys thanks for posting was not aware of that also

[sucahyo]

I hope it would be usefull. I found another book for comparing:
Biography: Fury on earth (1971), said to mention the whole work of Wilhelm Reich .
Internet Archive: Free Download: Fury On Earth A Biography Of Wilhelm Reich

research on many peoples aura on kirlian photo
Internet Archive Search: creator:"Kilner, Walter John"

Aura knowledge by Indian
Internet Archive Search: creator:"Panchadasi"

Aura knowledge by Western
Internet Archive Search: creator:"Leadbeater, C. W. (Charles Webster), 1854-1934"



From the biography found another difference, measurrable temperature of orgone:

He designed a small accumulator so that the scale of a decimal thermometer, once inserted, could be read through a glass-covered aperture. An identical thermometer was suspended at the same height outside to measure the room temperature. Reich found a constant temperature difference between the two thermometers, ranging between 0.2C and 0.8C with a mean of 0.5C. The accumulator was constantly warmer than the surrounding air. As a control, Reich repeated the experiment, but this time using a box of the same size built of wood or cardboard only. The temperature in both the room and in the wooden box equalized quickly. A temperature difference appeared only when the box was lined with metal on the inside.

While Odly is not measurable even on sensitive thermometer:

Neither of the lunar or solar current effects, however strong, registered on sensitive thermometers.
Solid metals, "continuous metals", were the best Od conductors. Loosely woven matter, like cloths, were highly resistive to the flow. New measurements with the most sensitive thermometers could neither reveal the heat nor the cold, which sensitives felt when touching Od charged wires. Here were highly consistent experiential states, effects that could not be mechanistically resolved. Od was not heat or cold, not temperature, yet it was able to be perceived as such in sensitives. A more thorough and exhaustive scientific approach was now obviously necessitated.