Think i found some missing info from Tesla's radiant energy patent

[Raui]

How could no one have seen this before! I feel as though you may have found the much needed push in the right direction when it comes to this patent, which really is the basis for Radiant Energy. I'll contribute where I can, or atleast try :P

Great work Nat

I just had a thought about this. What if Tesla's patent had to do with 'Roentgen Current' for those of you who don't know what it is it is basically the electrical current induced when a dielectric is moved within a homogeneous electric field. What if in this case it is the electric field moving and impinging on the plate inducing a current?

[morpher44]

fountain

Tesla's patent 1,113,716 describes a way to make a fountain
that utilizes the smallest amount of energy to create
to push water up to a flared basin, where it overflows the
rim creating a circular cascade.

This man made waterfall will likely produce negative ions.

It is interesting that Tesla experimented with something
that most people perceive to be just a garden ornament.

Certainly the effect is visually pleasing and the negative ions
are healthy and improve the mood.
Perhaps the negative ions from a man-made fountain
can be utilize for radiant energy collection.

[morpher44]

amalgamated?

re: patent 685958
There is also this statement that is interesting...

"The insulated plate or conducting body should present as large a surface as practicable to the rays or streams of mater, I having ascertained that the amount of energy conveyed to it per unit of time is under otherwise identical conditions proportionate to the area exposed, or nearly so. Furthermore, the surface should be clean and preferably highly polished or amalgamated."

I wasn't familiar with the term amalgamated so I looked it up.
One definition is:
"To mix or alloy (a metal) with mercury."
or
"To unite or blend with another metal."

I do know that dissimilar metals have interesting properties.
Those doing PCB design have to be familiar with this issue
as the dissimilar metals can corrode each other -- by
oxidation or chemical action.

Also...

"A simple way of supplying positive or negative electricity to the terminal is to connect the same either to an insulated conductor, supported at some height in the atmosphere, or to a grounded conductor, the former, as is well known, furnishing positive and the latter negative electricity."

Moray, too, created an antenna that was insulated, and IONIZED so as to create a back & forth cascade of ion pressure.

Over the years, ham operators and radio experimenters have optimized antenna design for the reception of radio waves at all different frequencies.
These are "tuned" in that they are quarter-wave, half-wave, etc.

An antenna that is to receive ALL frequencies would be a different sort of design.

One approach might be to have a matrix of yagi antennas, electrically ORed, ranging from the very high frequency down to the very low -- forming a sort of large TRIANGULAR structure in the air.
This would be a TV antenna on steroids!!!

[Bodkins]

gentleman I have a idea for a experiments i can do with the eletret.
by spraying Ethyl chloride on one side of my eletret will we get a change in the charge?

(Ethyl chloride is supplied as a liquid in a spray bottle propelled by its own vapor pressure. It acts as a mild topical anesthetic by its chilling effect when sprayed on skin, such as when removing splinters in a clinical setting. The heat absorbed by the boiling liquid on tissues produces a deep and rapid chill, but since the boiling point is well above the freezing point of water, it presents no danger of frostbite. The vapor is flammable and narcotic, which requires care.)


I was going on the fact that parafin is used
(Paraffin wax (C25H52) is an excellent material to store heat, having a specific heat capacity of 2.14–2.9 J g−1 K−1 (joule per gram per kelvin) and a heat of fusion of 200–220 J g−1.[6] This property is exploited in modified drywall for home building material: it is infused in the drywall during manufacture so that, when installed, it melts during the day, absorbing heat, and solidifies again at night, releasing the heat.[7])

or am i barking up the wroung tree?

[morpher44]

Paraffin & carbon

I was going on the fact that parafin is used
(Paraffin wax (C25H52) ...
or am i barking up the wroung tree?

As you know I've been studying the Hendershot Fuelless Generator.
One statement in the article titled
"The So-Called Hendershot Motor" by
Associate Gaston Burridge
that I've been ignoring until recently is this:

"There are some stainless steel rings - "non-magnetic" stainless steel --
and some pieces of "stick carbon"."

While reading overunity.com, I saw that someone referred
to the excellent book

"Secret of perpetual power: Hendershot Mystery" by Barry Hilton
which you can find on Scribd.

In this, I found:

"It may be that Hendershot did not use JUST paraffin between the capacitor energy accumulator and the outer coils, but instead used a carbon
compound which was sealed at either end with paraffin wax. If this information was provided by Aho, then this may have been one of Hendershot's little secrets. The use of carbon rods as a core for radio coils, prior to carbon ferrite rods, was fairly common in early radio receivers."

In noodling this over a bit, it occurs to me that carbon has some very interesting properties here.

[] it can be doped with magnetic materials ala ferrite rods
[] carbon as a molecule is happy to exchange electrons -- very happy
[] carbon has a pretty large dielectric constant

So as a core material it can affect not only the inductance in the coil, but also the dielectric in a capacitor.

As a carbon based life form, I like the idea of using carbon.

[nat1971a]

Welcome raui, bodkins and everyone else,
I am convinced we are on the verge of cracking this patent…We shall very soon harness cosmic rays/neutrinos/radiant energy in my opinion
I shall summarise:-
In 1896 Telsa advises he was investigating oil and liquid insulators while also investigating roentgen rays
In 1897 he advises he was looking into oil and liquid insulators to reduce the resistance of his circuits/conductors to zero
It is probably a little known fact that Tesla was either the first or very near so to discover superconductivity if I remember correctly.
In 1900 he patents an improvement in insulating conductors using ice or liquid air.
Then in 1901 he patents the radiant energy apparatus.
At this point it is very logical to assume that this discovery of superconductivity lead to the discovery of his apparatus for radiant energy.
So I will put a theory out to everyone, that’s Tesla’s sphere was in the very end, filled with liquid air. And possibility his ground plate was also surrounded by it. Only some experiments will confirm this.
So at this point I put out what is probably a dumb question…….
If I put together a bank of battery’s to give me just over 100VDC and I plan to use a neon bulb as my circuit controller with a trigger point of 90VDC. Then I connect two aluminum plates (or possibly one zinc & one copper) separated by some dielectric. The plate connected to the negative pole being negatively charged and the plate connected to the positive pole being positively charged. I then place the negatively charged plate into a dish of water and place in the freezer and let freeze overnight. I repeat this freezing procedure for the positive plate. I then elevate this negatively charged plate using an old windsurfing mast which is made out of fiberglass and place the positively charged plate in the ground. I then connect up the circuit pretty much as described by Tesla to run some CFL’s. Would this 100VDC charge on the plates be sufficient to trigger a neon bulb to run some CFL’s?
Any comments?

[morpher44]

interesting experiment

sounds like an interesting experiment.
You might not need to bother with the ground plate.
Just have a PIPE in the ground and that should do it.
The ground plane is so HUGE relative to everything else.
You want LARGE gauge wires ... low resistance.

btw, regarding a different sort of antenna.
I found this:

http://www.johnross.com/2000_URSI_Abstract-Slides.pdf

The idea of using genetic algorithms to select -- on the fly --
the best antenna in a matrix is interesting.
This is a SMART antenna approach.
For power extraction, you would want to SNAP to the signal
that yields the largest wattage for you.

[nat1971a]

@bodkins

how cold does the Ethyl chloride get?

[nat1971a]

Looks like we have some alternate ideas on what the magic ingredient is to capture cosmic rays (radiant energy):-

1. superconductivity - ICE or liquid air
2. paraffin
3. carbon
4. carbon & paraffin
5. Almagmated alloy

Anybody else?

[Bodkins]

@bodkins

how cold does the Ethyl chloride get?

on your skin it will bubble and leave frost,

[nat1971a]

give it a go bodkins....but you will need to negatively charge your cable for your electret.

and positively charge your ground

i was planning on using a 2uf 3000volt capacitor

[morpher44]

clarification...

Looks like we have some alternate ideas on what the magic ingredient is to capture cosmic rays (radiant energy):-
1. superconductivity - ICE or liquid air
2. paraffin
3. carbon
4. carbon & paraffin
5. Almagmated alloy
Anybody else?

Clarification:

Antenna/collector should be
"amalgamated alloy" or "highly polished".

To boost capacity, since a large size is difficult to achieve,
the collector should be insulated and surrounded by a dielectric.
That dielectric can be anything with a high dielectric constant.
Some candidates are:
- water good, ice better
- paraffin
- carbon / graphite

A good material table is found here.
Relative static permittivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[morpher44]

Tesla @ Colorado Springs

While Tesla was experimenting @ Colorado Springs,
he set up one of his "receiver" coils to monitor
the earth's "electrical vibrations".

He had a primary connected to ground and a special sort of antenna.
His secondary was wired to some sort of sensitive recording device
where he could track lightning, etc.

One quote that is interesting is this one:

"In that dry and rarefied atmosphere the sun's rays beat the objects with fierce intensity. I raised steam, to a dangerous pressure, in barrels filled with salt solutions, and the tin-foil coatings of some of my elevated terminals shriveled up in the fiery blaze."
...
"Aided by the dryness and rarefaction of the air, the water evaporates as in a boiler, and static electricity is developed in abundance."

I recall reading that Tesla had a special sort of antenna wire
utilizing a vacuum (or perhaps he pumped saltwater in to a cylinder carrying the wire up to his tinfoil terminal).
It would be good to track down exactly what sort of antenna system
he used there.

I found this interesting article:

www.teslasociety.com/teslarec.pdf

[morpher44]

power sucking antennas

WOW!
I found this article:

Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver

The "more musings" particularly got my attention
because it proposes to use a "vibrating magnet" to
create a sort of super-conducting antenna for low frequencies.
This is exactly the sort of information that might help
one re-create Tesla's radiant energy patent
an approach that can be room temperature.

[nat1971a]

i have been wondering about magnets. Moray used a magnet to kick start his aerial by rubbing the masts (if i remember correctly) he was using for about 10 minutes. It may be required to kick start it perhaps.
- i.e to create an oscillating circuit

One just has to bear in mind the roengten ray experiments done in 1896 & 1895 by perin, crookes and jj thomson that a magnet would deflect the rays. They were testing the deflection to the point that they deflected it so much that it missed the negatively charged plate and hence no charge detected