Think i found some missing info from Tesla's radiant energy patent

[nat1971a]

it is probably appropriate to list some of the variables possibly at play

1. magnets may be required to start an oscillating circuit as per morays aerial
2. polishing the elevated plate is essential - this was mentioned in the UV experiments done by professor lodge and hertz - does this imply that they were using a friction machine to apply a static charge to the plates - probably
3. The rays travel in straight lines
4. The height of the negative plate. Bedini mentions 30 feet as being appropriate. Tesla advises in the colarado notes that 27 feet being particularly good
5. Do the elevated plate and the ground plate need to be the same size? One may think that it would be but probably not essential.
6. Is there a difference in charging the plates from a battery bank or a static generator? - according to jj thomson there wasnt.
7. oil capacitor - according to Tesla it was much better
8. The trigger circuit - he mentions in the patent that to improve their action should be inclosure from which the air may be exhausted - hence the reason why i was planning on using a neon bulb. One could also use a vacuum tube i guess
9 Does the density of the metal elevated plate make a difference?

[nat1971a]

Here's another brain dump....about amalgamted metals

In "the work of hertz by professor lodge" 1894

p41 he mentions the use of amalgamted zinc, negatively charged, discharges almost instantly in sunlight; and if near a positively electrified body charges it self positively.

p40 For experiments in free space we use zinc, aluminum or magnesium wires or small amalgamted spheres of zinc......

p40 A still more notable sensitiveness to light is shown by the amalgams of certains metails viz in the order of sensitiveness K,Na,Zn, Sn.......

[nat1971a]

More braindumps:-

Here's a link to the jean perrin experiment on reontgen rays and negative charged plates. It is pretty much the same experiment that jj thomson did in 1896 did but a year earlier (1895). The jj thomson experiment is the one tesla refers to in the radiant energy patent as per my video

Perrin and Cathode Rays

[nat1971a]

We are told by modern day scientists and physicists that neutrinos (radiant energy/cosmic rays) aren’t arrested by any materials they pass through and can’t be generally captured and utilised.

Yet after rereading a number of times the following articles, jj Thomson article “On the discharge of electricity produced by the rontgen rays and the effects produced by these rays on dielectrics through which they pass” 1896 in conjunction with ROENTGEN RAY INVESTIGATIONS 22nd april 1896 and Tesla’s patents on radiant energy 685958 & method of insulating electric conductors Patent no 655838, Tesla is telling us that he has done it.
In 1896, Tesla tells us that 94 per cent of the total radiation (from the rontgen rays) remains to be accounted for. Hence this explains some of the results that various experimenters have gotten over the years in modern times. They are probably capturing a very small amount of the radiant energy.
In the jj Thomson article he tells us that he tried numerous insulators (paraffin wax, solid sulfur, a lump of ebonite, mica, paraffin oil) in an attempt to prevent the leakage of this 300 volt charge they were getting on the negatively charge plate. But nothing he did prevented the leakage.

In 1897 Telsa advises us in a lecture that he is researching insulators..And then in 1900 he patents an insulator – ICE or liquid air. It would appear that Tesla was systematically trying every insulator to prevent the 300 volt leakage and possibly ICE prevented that leakage. He tells us he was looking for something to reduce resistance too.

Then in 1901 he patents the radiant energy device

It seems logical to conclude at this stage (given the very limited information we have) that the ICE or liquid air is the missing KEY component in the radiant energy device to capturing radiant energy more effectively. This would explain why Tesla has a separate patent for it. My future experiments will be based on a negatively charge elevated plate covered in ICE or a sphere filled with ice perhaps (ice expands? …might have to think about that one more) . This will provide a cheap, quick, safe and easy way to test this theory. This will be used in conjunction with a positively charge ground plate.
If this proves fruitful then I will look into liquid air.

I just hope my dodgey building skills don’t interfere to much with these experiments!

[boguslaw]

Tesla tried to reduce resistance to produce self-resonating circuit without energy input except for start.That's why he used ice and liquid air.
When you remove resistance you can use LC resonant circuit to rise either voltage or current.
Don Smith is doing exactly that - he replicated Tesla method and explains it.
When at resonance there is something special in LC circuit.

[nat1971a]

And a picture is a thousand words

Capacitors attached to the wheelwork of nature

[morpher44]

insulators

Ham operators often use porcelain insulators to protect their wires
from other surfaces that might attenuate them.

I was reading that some experiments were done with
granite insulators.
This is interesting for a couple of reasons.
Granite was used in the great pyramid for some reason.
Granite can have "natural radiation", which might have
an effect of local ionization of the wires.
Granite contains quarts, a well known piezoelectric crystal
which might resonate with the HUGE amount of
granite found around the planet.

In playing with high voltage a bit, and plasma balls, etc., it can easily
be seen how inductive leakage can occur right thru the plastic
insulation.

One idea is to have your antenna wires inside a PVC pipe.
If you can somehow arrange the wires to live in the very center
of the PVC pipe, perhaps by wrapping them with cloth or paper
to the inner diameter of the pipe, and then inserting into the pipe,
that will assure that the wires has a protective outer shell
that is a controlled radius from any other object.
That way, even if your PVC touched your metal gutter, say,
it would be far enough way -- inverse-square-wise -- so
that induction could not occur effectively.
Such precautions would be necessary if you are installing
your antenna up a wall and over your roof, for example.

If instead you had more of a flag-pole approach were the antenna
is well AWAY from anything that could touch it, no need to be
so careful.

A lightning arrestor might be appropriate as well.

[Dave45]

ice

Not to butt in, but I read an artical the other day that stated the formation of ice crystals in a thunderstorm somehow was a factor in the build up of lightning.
Call it a hunch or whatever but I believe that water (ice) is the medium(sink) that aquires,traps the energy of the cosmos call it either or whatever.

[Dave45]

water as an energy carrier

this experiment shows that water collects energy and acts as a carrier
YouTube - Static Electricity and Bubbles!
when water or humidity is present in the air it absorbs static electricity when there is no humidity we build up static charges so water must absorb or at least be a carrier of electricity.

[Bob Smith]

Boguslaw notes above:

When at resonance there is something special in LC circuit.

Resonance (i.e. at resonant frequency) can go to multiple harmonic levels, which can be - from what I've read - associated with negative resistance. A negative resistor will become coated in frost as the ambient moisture that has condensed on its surface freezes. Is it possible that ice may help get the metal plate/sphere to a temperature at which it can more easily go into resonance and negative resistance?

[morpher44]

negative resistance

Boguslaw notes above:
Resonance (i.e. at resonant frequency) can go to multiple harmonic levels, which can be - from what I've read - associated with negative resistance. A negative resistor will become coated in frost as the ambient moisture that has condensed on its surface freezes. Is it possible that ice may help get the metal plate/sphere to a temperature at which it can more easily go into resonance and negative resistance?

Good little article on negative resistance.
Negative Resistance Oscillators

I think there may have been a reason Maxwell used Quaternions
to do the sort of math needed to avoid imaginary numbers.
Square roots of negative numbers are avoided in circuit design --
traditionally -- so people don't LOOK or design around this principles --
except for oscillators and regenerative amplifiers which have exploited
this for decades.

Computer scientists have clued in to use Quaternion math for
FAST rotational computation in computer graphics.
This sort of math avoided the EDGE conditions as you cross certain
ZERO boundaries -- which is exactly the sort of math
you need when doing physics problems.

Quaternion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the resistance is not really negative ... but rather
energy is entering the design from OUTSIDE ... making it
appear as if you have a negative resistor.
That is why non-linear, open system circuit design is so increadibly
difficult ... We are using the wrong math and wrong equations.

Quaternion math, ala Maxwell, should be brushed-off and re-incorporated
into EM theory and Electronic design.

[nat1971a]

@dave

Interesting about the ICE and lightning. Very interesting!!

So i did a google search

NASA - Electric Ice

[nat1971a]

Many thanks to everyone else's contributions to this thread. There are plenty of ideas here for someone to crack this hopefully very soon. And to come up with a prototype for everyone to develop. Fingers crossed.

Keep the ideas coming no matter how crazy you think they are. All we have to do is think like Tesla.

[morpher44]

Wwtd

All we have to do is think like Tesla.

What Would Tesla Do?

I have relatives with OCD. It is a wild-ride living with them.
Tesla became obsessed with the #3.
He would walk around buildings 3 times before entering, for example.
He would insist on having 3 napkins on this dinner table.

Genius and OCD can often appear in the same person.
Take Howard Hughes, for example.

Both messed around with loads and loads of materials,
some quite dangerous.
Both have had accidents, had trauma, had near-death experiences, etc.

I think that being a genius is not an easy road.

[nat1971a]

Thats a very good question.

Tesla had a great combination of skills & attributes. He was a excellent researcher, thinker and experimenter, barely slept and was unattached.

He has already done all the research and thinking for us. All we have to do is fill in the gaps and do some experiments - hopefully systematically. Lets just hope he wasnt using any radioactive type materials. Otherwise we will never crack this.

He mentions frequently about his guiding spirit. Lets hope they are still around and guiding us.