Think i found some missing info from Tesla's radiant energy patent

[Inquorate]

Some thoughts

I posted some relevant stuff here;

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post67211
And the post after it...

I think the radiant energy receiver would have been built by tesla to convert electrostatic stress (an imbalance of the virtual particle flux in the ZPE) into electrical movement on the receiving plate, whilst removing the natural tendency of a conductor to balance out aetheric tension for long enough that it becomes easier for the aether to turn it's virtual state into an actual one..

I think. maybe.

L&L

[nat1971a]

Avalanche breakdown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Runaway breakdown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was just reading up on avalanche breakdown after reading runaway breakdown theory on lightning. It occurred to me that what if Tesla is putting an abolsutely huge negative charge on the elevated plate.....covering it with ice or liquid air....this somehow creates friction with other water vapour / ice crystals which then creates the charge buildup just like a lightning charges develop......just me rambling of course....

[nat1971a]

@inquorate,

Thats funny. I was just reading the same article on another web page somewhere else....maybe there is a guiding spirit guiding us......

[Bob Smith]

Great discussion - I've been away awhile.
Isn't this basically what Bearden's been alluding to for so long? ie, that you have to have an imbalance in the system in order to allow energy to flow in from the aether/vacuum? I believe that Bearden often refers to the folly of Heavyside's balancing out of Faraday's equations and how its incorporation into physics and electrical engineering texts kept researchers thinking inside a closed-loop system box that would lead nowhere as far as free energy goes. Gabriel Kron is said to have developed the negative resistor as an electrical backup for Stanford University's computer systems, I believe, but there seems to be little if any info available about it. Bearden mentions it occasionally.

Anyhow, how does this all apply to Tesla's radiant energy receiver? It seems that now the following possible elements have entered the mix for consideration:

-cooled (liquid air/ice?) receiver (plate/sphere?)
-resonance
-open (i.e., not closed-loop) system configuration (imbalance)
-possible negative resistance

Please forgive me for jumping in here in such a forward manner. I hope my comments help further the investigation. I guess for me the question arises,
Can any or all of the 4 above elements and others mentioned in this thread work together to produce some kind of breakthrough.

I personally wonder if resonance is a key element. Is it possible that the capacitor/condenser in Tesla's time was actually an inductor? Would matching the impedance of the capacitor in the apparatus to the resonance and/or impedance of the receiving plate/sphere would have a key role in the negative resistance of the apparatus? How might this square with Inquorate's remarks:

I think the radiant energy receiver would have been built by tesla to convert electrostatic stress (an imbalance of the virtual particle flux in the ZPE) into electrical movement on the receiving plate, whilst removing the natural tendency of a conductor to balance out aetheric tension for long enough that it becomes easier for the aether to turn it's virtual state into an actual one..

Morpher, thanks for the links.
B

[morpher44]

A Good Ground

From the book "Wizard: The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla, Biography of a Genius", by Marc J. Seifer:

"On June 16 (1899), Tesla set out to create an efficient ground connection. His workers were instructed to dig a hole twelve feet deep near a water main, and a copper plate twenty feet square was buried there. Water was kept constantly flowing upon the ground to moisten in and improve the connection, but the dry earth and the problem of rock formations interfered with the creation of a completely efficient setup."
...
"The action of the device was strong even though it was concluded that the earth's resistance was still too great."

[nat1971a]

Wow that is one big ground plate or is it a positively charged capacitor

well i can report back on my first experiment - rather disappointing results..so i wont even mention it

i charged two aluminum plates approximately A4 size using a bank of 5 12v batteries in series. i used glad wrap for dielectric. i froze the negative plate and elevated about 20 feet. i placed the positive plate in the ground

so as tesla would do the next experiment will use a bank of 10 12volt battery's to charge the plates

[morpher44]

Wow that is one big ground plate or is it a positively charged capacitor

well i can report back on my first experiment - rather disappointing results..so i wont even mention it

i charged two aluminum plates approximately A4 size using a bank of 5 12v batteries in series. i used glad wrap for dielectric. i froze the negative plate and elevated about 20 feet. i placed the positive plate in the ground

so as tesla would do the next experiment will use a bank of 10 12volt battery's to charge the plates

My plates are maybe twice as big as your, only 8 feet high. I get about
2 VAC PP, very little current.
When I put my negative ion generator near the plates, I get
about 3 to 4 VAC peak-to-peak.

I was thinking if you put your antenna wire in a pvc pipe filled
with salt-water, and had the exit point enter the plate location
which is sealed except for tiny air holes on the top, evaporation
of the water -- as it is heated by the days sun -- will flow upward
and out thru the holes above the plates, creating a charge.

Tesla was doing something with large barrels of salt water ... and
I recall reading some place that he used antenna wires that were
either in a vacuum (not exposed to air via a water trick like this).
So more than just have "insulation", they are prevented from
touching the air.

[nat1971a]

@morpher44

Thats a great idea about the evaporating water. I had to think about it for a while - must be too early in the morning. But brilliant!!!

Cheers

N.

[nat1971a]

It is interesting what you find when you know what to look for.....Tesla was using salt water capacitors topped with mineral oil....There may be much more to these salt water caps than meets the eye

http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/KEELYNE...GY/saltcap.asc

[morpher44]

evaporation

this is interesting...

"Maintenance crews and rescue workers who have a lot of experience around helicopters are painfully aware of the large static shock they can receive when a chopper is operating above moisture. The area of the prop wash is so extensive that large amounts of moisture are evaporated rapidly creating a highly charged area around the helicopter."

So, it seems reasonable to assume that if you could have a very LARGE plate, with water below it subject to extreme evaporation, you could create either a positive or negative charge on that plate ... perhaps positive on one side, negative on the other.

So I think one area of experimentation might be to devise a means of creating large amounts of evaporation -- similar to nature's way of creating clouds by evaporating the ocean.

But this also sounds kinda dangerous ... creating a situation whereby you could be zapped with a large static discharge if not careful.

[nat1971a]

Yes I agree big time....I think you may have nailed it.

[morpher44]

eveporation idea

With a large surface area for surface plate....
Construct a low-cost sprinkler system that is set to spray a mist
over the receiver plate.
The mist will create negative ions. Water droplets that land on the plate
and evaporate will create more negative ions.

So just as you keep your ground plate, buried DEEP, wet to increase
its connectivity to the ground... by misting your aerial plate with
water (or salt water even better), you can increase the
"connectivity" with the atmosphere ...

As above, so below. I like it!

[nat1971a]

perhaps we should have a closer look at Tesla's water fountain patent...or should i call it a negative ion generator

[morpher44]

The Tesla Mystery

perhaps we should have a closer look at Tesla's water fountain patent...or should i call it a negative ion generator

So here is an interesting thought.
Perhaps Tesla realized that he cannot patent a "system" that receives radiant energy, because he knew that the patent office, the scientific community, and the suppressive elements would bury the accomplishment and it would be lost to time -- labeled as perpetual motion and killed.

Knowing this, and also coming from the experience of having ones lab set on fire, destroying all his research, models, notes, prototypes, etc.. that he would be more careful about how to release things in the future.

His fountain patent is one of his later patents.
There is also the "rumor" that Tesla released many patents through Hammond Jr. If you study Hammond's patents, you see Tesla influence. These are non-trivial patents for the time period.

I am blown away that Hammond devices a transmitter/receiver system that used 3 frequencies instead of one. We know that Tesla liked 3.
We know that Tesla was all about robotic devices in his later years.
We know that Tesla was essentially black-listed by JP Morgan.

I think a careful study of Hammond patents will reveal the Tesla influence.

I see one very interesting thing in Hammond's patents.
He has "variable" Inductors that are created by wrapping
a 2nd winding around the core material -- presumably ferromagnetic -- with a variable resistor controlling a dc bias. The dc bias alters the inductance of the other coil on the same core. This technique eventually made its way into magnetic amplifiers ... but appears way back in the Hammond patents.
This too also implies LOW frequencies, LARGE inductance.

Also, if you believe the Tesla CAR story, Tesla put RODS into his box to "tune" his device. Ferromagnetic rods? If yes ... again LOW frequency ... LARGE inductance.

I recently was listening to a Hoagland interview on Coast to Coast AM ... and one statement made by Hoagland made my ears perk up.
He stated essentially that there is MORE energy when the frequency is lower.

I had been thinking the same thing in terms of these energy devices because if you look at LRC circuits -- you want inductance as LARGE as possible, resistance small, and capacitance small.

You want inductors with ferromagnetic cores.
Power is done at low frequencies ...
Radio/Messaging is done at high frequencies...

To study EARTH frequencies ... Tesla was trying to get down to 11 Hertz,
so obviously his inductance has to be absolutely HUGE!!!

[morpher44]

J.H. Hammond

Take a look at patent 1,463,994:

SYSTEM FOR THE TRANSMISSION AND ... - Google Patent Search

Shades of Tesla?