Think i found some missing info from Tesla's radiant energy patent

[nat1971a]

The research continues on in this thread on stationary waves in Tesla/thomson/grays/etc circuits

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...an-1872-a.html

[Jbignes5]

Have a look here...

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency" by Nikola Tesla

In figure 17 about halfway down the page you will see how he could broadcast a set high voltage to attract the conductors or conduits that allow all motion to energy in the universe. The receiving of this current was profound especially if the load was the fulcrum causing an imbalance within a one wire system. Current would flow in much the same way as all his experiments showed, Backwards. Current could in effect be pulled into the system by attracting the conductors themselves of all current. After the attraction pulse of HV it would then draw in current from the surrounding area. Under normal conditions all one would see would be the normal Teslian spray of brush like effect. This effect is not voltage going out of a hv system but the inrush of real charge flowing twords the hv source.
I think we have been wrong the whole time. The brushes are not out going but a flow of current being attracted to the hv source. When one looks at the brushes in a photo you can start to see how this works. It looks much like the veins on a leaf with the leaf flesh in between the viens being the rushing current going twords the hv source thru connectors that are superconducting.
Maybe that is why current laggs voltage in all we see. Current is actually lagging behind because of the action it needs to flow. This would also explain why a coil rebounds after being pulsed quickly. Having 2 parts to a circuit one being the pulser and the other being the emitter/collector. Pulse with high voltage and no current then collect current in the second half of the circuit (separated by a 1:1 transformer) with the load in between the receiving antenna and one end of the 1:1 transformer. The bottom half of the 1:1 transformer being connected to yet another antenna of smaller dimensions but same mass as the other antenna (maybe 1/4 wave).
There is a driver diagram from the same telling of the press release of talk to a symposium. I don't remember which one it was but I believe it was a meeting of engineers he was talking to. The drive mechanism is pictured in Figure 5 if one was to utilize the magnetic arc gap to drive the pulses to the 1:1 transformer.
Take a look and see what you think...
jbignes5

[1NRG24Seven]

YouTube - Update 30 - Found missing info from Tesla Radiant Energy Patent

Think i found some missing info from tesla's radiant energy patent.
I am theorising based on this info that the elevated plate was negatively charged prior and possibly even the ground plate is positively charged prior using an electrophorus or large bank of batteries. This would provide a condenser in series with the plates and the environment just as he mentions in the patent that they are in "series". The jj thomson document mentions that the charge doesnt appear unless the plate is negatively charged prior

Let the experiments begin!!!

yep you got it....then once it built up to a point it would release across a spark gap.

[morpher44]

Interesting Letter from Tesla to JP Morgan

YouTube - Dear Mr Morgan

[freeforall]

Tesla mentioned that capacitance self varies at certain frequencies

Hammond may have been placing this self variation into his drawings because the capacitors vary more near large structures than the y do outside. and they vary as altitude changes

morpher44,

You have got me thinking!!!

After reviewing hammonds patent and doing some digging. It appears that Tesla did indeed spend some time with hammond. So it is most likely as you have said that this is Tesla's revised system.

What has got me thinking is the variable capacitor in the hammond (Tesla) patent. As we know this is usually used to tune into radio stations but what if it can also be used to tune into UV and xray light waves. It appears that Tesla was using a .004 mfd capacitor at wardencliff. So perhaps that is a starting point if we assume that was also a receiving station. Anyone got any ideas about tuning a capacitor into UV & xray light waves (most likely xrays/rontgen rays)?

So the components for this system are:
1. negatively charged elevated plate (maybe insulated with ice or liquid air)
2. variable capacitor to tune into xrays
3. positively charged ground plate

[nat1971a]

Hi All,

It has been a while since i have posted. I want to recap on this thread as i have been experimenting again and have thought of a way of possibly duplicating Tesla's Radiant energy technology.

In the Radiant energy patent he mentions that ultra violet light will discharge a negatively charged plate (see below). It turns out the plate needs to be a electropositive metal such as zinc, tin or aluminum. Ok so what if we setup a ultraviolet lamp in close proximity to a negatively charged plate of zinc. I was thinking i could modify edwin grays circuit to charge the grids (zinc grid) negatively and then put a UV lamp near it. Surely it can't be this simple. What does everyone think?



Nikola Tesla - Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy - Patent No. 685,958

"It is well known that certain radiations - such as those of ultra-violet light, cathodic, Roentgen rays, or the like - possess the property of charging and discharging conductors of electricity, the discharge being particularly noticeable when the conductor upon which the rays impinge is negatively electrified......
... when rays or radiations of the above kind are permitted to fall upon an insulated conducting body connected to one of the terminals of a condenser, while the other terminal of the same is made by independant means to receive or to carry away electricity, a current flows into the condenser so long as the insulated body is exposed to the rays.

[Farmhand]

This is my idea for a way to use Tesla's radiant energy receiver, not the way he would have envisioned it but I can't see why it wouldn't work.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.jpg?psid=1

Earth battery powering an SSG with a magnetic drive turning a Van DeGraff machine which discharges into the plate "p" arrangement then pulsed through a step down transformer and rectified for storage or use.

No input power, substantial output, all coming from the environment, with the SSG charging batteries and turning the Van DeGraff machine the discharges to the plate would maybe "dope it" a bit to enable better use of the plate "p" arrangement on it's own.

I can't think of a better way to make use of a Van DeGraff output than to use a Radiant energy receiver to convert the very high voltage, the radiant energy receiver would need custom HV capacitor and spark gap discharge into the stepdown transformer (not shown).

Cheers

[nat1971a]

How does your plate get charged negative?

With edwin grays circuit i can set the plate(grids) to be connected to the negative from the HV CAP and therefore there wont be any spark at the spark gap. This is ok as we don't need it the spark gap side of things. But the rest of his circuit may come in handy to charge batterys or step it down as you say for other purposes.

[nat1971a]

Ok how is this for an extension of my train of thought. Insulate the negative charged plate with ice (in my proposed exepriment. insulate the (negatively charged zinc) charge receiving grids in edwin grays circuit with ICE.) Then place the UV lamp next to the grids.


My theory of lighting as inspired by Tesla. UV light & other cosmic rays bombard ice in the upper atmosphere. This causes a positve and negative charge as described below. More UV light and other cosmic rays bombard the ice causing a discharge of lightning. This process is exactly as Tesla describes in his patent.



Electric Ice - NASA Science
In a real thundercloud, millions of pieces of ice are constantly bumping together, pushed by updrafts ranging in speed from 10 to 100 mph. Tiny ice crystals become positively charged and waft to the top of the cloud, while bulkier ice pellets (called "graupel") become negatively charged and plummet to the bottom. This separation creates mega-volts of electrical tension--and hence the lightning.

[FRC]

Hi All,

It has been a while since i have posted. I want to recap on this thread as i have been experimenting again and have thought of a way of possibly duplicating Tesla's Radiant energy technology.

In the Radiant energy patent he mentions that ultra violet light will discharge a negatively charged plate (see below). It turns out the plate needs to be a electropositive metal such as zinc, tin or aluminum. Ok so what if we setup a ultraviolet lamp in close proximity to a negatively charged plate of zinc. I was thinking i could modify edwin grays circuit to charge the grids (zinc grid) negatively and then put a UV lamp near it. Surely it can't be this simple. What does everyone think?

Nikola Tesla - Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy - Patent No. 685,958

"It is well known that certain radiations - such as those of ultra-violet light, cathodic, Roentgen rays, or the like - possess the property of charging and discharging conductors of electricity, the discharge being particularly noticeable when the conductor upon which the rays impinge is negatively electrified......
... when rays or radiations of the above kind are permitted to fall upon an insulated conducting body connected to one of the terminals of a condenser, while the other terminal of the same is made by independant means to receive or to carry away electricity, a current flows into the condenser so long as the insulated body is exposed to the rays.

It just might be that simple. Must be tried to see if it does work. The same method was used for negative ion generators.

FRC

[nat1971a]

Hi all,

I conducted my first experiment with a ultaviolet CFL today in edwin grays circuit. I froze some zinc sheet in ICE but i didnt drill any holes in the zinc sheet. I folded the 2 sheets in a tube shape as per grays schematic. I must say that when i first turned on the UV CFL it did increase the voltage reading in the charging capacitor.

I will drill some holes in the zinc and conduct the test again.

Rather curious.

[nat1971a]

I just tried another test. I connected the negative from the HV cap to the zinc sheet and the charging cap fluctuates as well when i turn on the ultraviolet cfl. Still no holes in the zinc sheet. Will have to let the ice melt first.

[nat1971a]

Interesting i only ran the circuit for a couple of minutes and checked the battery voltage and it had increased. I wouldn't say by a lot but certainly points me in the right direction.

[nat1971a]

WTF!!!...i just checked my circuit...i forgot to connect the charging cap to the zinc grid. it was still connected to my other test grid of a unknown metal...am i getting remote charging??

[nat1971a]

Yep i have remote charging!! Negatively charged zinc grid in melting ice must be emitting radiation to a second grid of unknown metal with holes in it submersed in mineral oil. Whether it is a fluffy charge i have no idea...

Let the experiments begin!!!