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  • #16
    morpher44,
    I just came across hoagland not to long ago and havnt gotten through all his stuff yet, but it seems very interesting too. Im in total agreement that some experiments need to be done, but thats where the big question comes in: how do you use it? Im currently working on an experiment similair to your plasma globe experiment, ill post it when im done. But it is still just showing patterns, not really usefull for anything else other than a little hands on experience. There is one guy on youtube that i think may have found some applications for these geometric phenomena, but he's not telling how its done You have probably seen it already.
    YouTube - ECONOMY MAGNETIC MOTORS / Equilibrius Grid / Jon DePew

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    • #17
      Hoagland / Jon DePew

      Originally posted by cody View Post
      morpher44,
      I just came across hoagland not to long ago and havnt gotten through all his stuff yet
      re: Hoagland
      He can get quite out there with his stuff ... but
      I find his material pretty inspiring because, beyond the entertainment value,
      Hoagland is challenge us to think ... to test ... the scientific method.
      There was a sort of subtle battle between Hoagland and Carl Sagan.
      Carl was rumored to have been too closely associated with the status quo -- debunk UFOs -- deny artifcats on planets -- etc.
      Carl, however, wrote some amazing stuff in his books ... mind blowing.
      His "Contact" book and "Demon Haunted World", I think, lay the ground work for some pretty interesting insight ... if you read between the lines.
      Hoagland has ruffled a few feathers ... which I think
      is a positive energy.
      I am WAY more interested in what Nasa is doing with Hoagland.
      I wish NASA the biggest possible budget to do manned missions.
      I know that the Apollo missions returned, financially to this
      country, more than any other government run project.
      The spin offs from Apollo are still an economic wonder.

      re: plasma ball experiment
      I look forward to seeing that.
      The other night my hands hurt and
      awakened me during sleep.
      ...Tingles .. and needle sharp pain.
      I was wondering why until I remember what I was doing
      the previous day. OOPS!
      You might use something other than your hands
      if you intend to mess around long term.

      re: Jon DePew - spinning magnets on jars
      Yes I've seen this and was amazed.
      My sense of this is that ANYONE should be able to reproduce
      it. By having several magnets spinning in this way,
      with a certain mutual influence and arrange in the
      Stan Deyo sense to support each other,
      I could see them spinning for quite a while.
      They may spin down, however, after a long period of time.
      It is not necessarily perpetual.
      It could be ART ... and just a very long dampened oscillation.
      I don't see them speeding up, for example.
      So like tops, you spin one, put it on a jar, spin another,
      put it on a jar, etc. etc. They spin for a very long time,
      but eventually spin down.
      IF you were to put a drag on them, say a coil trying
      to pull current, they would dampen more quickly.
      That is my prediction ... but I haven't actually tried
      it ... so it would be an interesting experiment ... if you
      can get your hands on several top-like magnets like that.
      OR ... do what Leedskalnin does and make your own magnets!!!

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      • #18
        honeycomb coil thoughts

        It occurs to me that if a honeycomb coils is constructed with
        "bee cubicles" that are perfect hexagons, that might be
        the optimum for "eddy current" containment -- increasing
        your inductance to the highest possible level in that
        compact volume.

        Electromagnetism appears to organize itself into hexagons?

        Why?

        If you had fields arranged in circles, and then kept pushing
        them closer and closer until their diameters touch and interact,
        suddenly the hexagon shape makes sense as the optimum
        organizing structure.

        The Bee selected the hexagon for a reason. It allows them
        to utilize space in the most optimum way.

        These fields would organize themselves this way as well,
        and performing a high-speed angular turn is no problem
        at the speed of light since the mass is so incredibly small
        and the velocity is Einstienian!!!

        Hendershot was using Honeycomb coils in his "motor" design which
        inspired his further work on the Fuelless Generator.

        Perrhaps the Hexagon is an important shape that can be exploited
        in electronics for optimum efficiency.

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        • #19
          honeycomb formula hexagaon

          Let D be diameter of coil form.
          Let d be diameter of dowel peg.
          Let PI be 3.14159...
          Let PHI be 1.618...

          P = round_to_odd( D * PI / (d * PHI * PHI));

          where P is to be the number of dowel pegs around circumference.

          To create perfect hexagons with two rows of pegs,
          you want a 60 degree slope for the wire.

          Let f be the distance between your rows of dowel pegs:

          f = 2x * sin 60

          where x is the distance along the circumference between pegs.

          x = D * PI / P;

          I think this is the math we want to create a form for
          optimum Honeycomb coils with perfect hexagons.

          Please check this math if your interested.

          The coil would then be wound 2 over, 2 under.
          Last edited by morpher44; 09-15-2009, 10:26 PM.

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          • #20
            my crude coil form.

            I've found that if I use zip-ties between dowel pegs, when the coil is done, I can zip-tie the coil, and then remove it safely.
            Attached Files

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            • #21
              Sounds like an interesting place to start morpher44. Are you making a regular coil around the same dimensions so you can test if the honeycomb coil geometry is an improvement? Also i was wondering your thoughts on how the roden coil relates hyperdinensional physics. It seems as though that coil is working with these principles, so maybe that is another good place to start.

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              • #22
                messing around with Hendershot replication

                Originally posted by cody View Post
                Sounds like an interesting place to start morpher44. Are you making a regular coil around the same dimensions so you can test if the honeycomb coil geometry is an improvement? Also i was wondering your thoughts on how the roden coil relates hyperdinensional physics. It seems as though that coil is working with these principles, so maybe that is another good place to start.
                Actually what I'm up to with Honeycomb coils has more to do with
                Hendershot.

                I couldn't find any equations that tell you how many turns you need
                for a honeycomb coil to derive a certain inductance.
                Also, there are quite a number of honeycomb geometries.

                The Hendershot material is "expunged" of any info on coil inductance
                or number of turns for his little toy motor circuit.
                This is a possible sign that disinfo-agents had there way with the
                material.

                What is true and well known is that honeycomb coils yield
                larger inductance for a small volume. WHY?
                Its still an air coil. But something is happening with the magnetic
                fields to make the reactance LARGER than a dumb-ole traditional
                electromagnet cylinder. The latter is well known to be quite
                bad in terms of edge effects at poles, etc. So radio gurus have
                used honeycomb coils with litz wire to create coils with high Q.
                High Q values are also useful for technologies that SUCK POWER
                from antenna ... because the higher the Q, the higher
                the resonant peak you can achieve.


                re: Rodin coil
                Yes I've been watching all the Rodin stuff and find it fascinating.
                That coil geometry is NOT for creating a high value of inductance,
                however. The inductance for those coils is small. People are doing
                18 turns -- say -- on little toy toroid shapes.
                The Rodin coil is fascinating to me for a couple of reasons.
                One ... you can create a very powerful spinning magnetic field.
                My thoughts are that you want that couple with a capacitor,
                similar to the Hendershot Fuelless Generator, so that you can
                SPIN energy directly INTO your capacitor and charge it up.
                If you can make a nice electro-static vortext ... yes you can
                spin a magnet ...but you can also spin ATOMs in a field.
                So all you need is some capacitor geometry -- perhaps a nice
                CONE shape, to extract the energy arriving to that field.

                I'm thinking of trying a Rodin replication ... when I get some time.

                But for large inductance, other coil geometries are better.
                However, I have another thought regarding Rodin.

                If you were to create a FLUX magnetic spin onto a ferromagnetic
                material, you could bring that material up and down its B-H curve.
                Wrap another coil around that material, place it into a RODIN
                spinning field, and use the Rodin as your Magnetic Amplifier controller.

                There are lots of uses for SPINNING fields.http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thanks.gif

                The Aether is the limit!!!

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                • #23
                  Nassim Haramein

                  If you haven't seen all 45 of these Nassim Haramein
                  lecture videos, I highly recommend them.

                  Here is a link to 1 of 45:

                  YouTube - iiisis2's Channel

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                  • #24
                    Excess Heat

                    Hoagland's "Dark Mission" discusses how various planets
                    in our solar system appear to have "over unity" with respect
                    to heat energy.

                    Three theories were put forth during a debate of how this could be so:

                    1. Primordial Heat
                    2. The Helium Drip Model
                    3. Radioactive Decay

                    Hoagland shows how for Uranus in particular, none of these 3
                    explanations make sense.

                    He then moves on to discuss an electromagnetic theory
                    for the "anomalous energy"... and mentions how good
                    ole Oliver Heaviside stripped Maxwell's equations to ignore
                    energy from other dimensions.

                    Hoagland has done his homework with repsect to Thomas Beardon.

                    It is encouraging to learn that at least on a planetary scale,
                    over unity is in fact possible.

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                    • #25
                      If humans were so advanced before, howcome we can only find the big stuff (like pyramid skeletons, and otherwise just dino's? Tools we found of those ages are axes, not flux capacitors. Alien visitors seem to be more plausible.

                      I really believe gemetry matters, but am not sure OU is there. Take energy from a pyramid, and earth may spin down, or re-align its axis?
                      Last edited by Cloxxki; 11-15-2009, 05:22 PM.

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                      • #26
                        big stuff

                        Originally posted by Cloxxki View Post
                        If humans were so advanced before, howcome we can only find the big stuff (like pyramid skeletons, and otherwise just dino's? Tools we found of those ages are axes, not flux capacitors. Alien visitors seem to be more plausible.

                        I really believe gemetry matters, but am not sure OU is there. Take energy from a pyramid, and earth may spin down, or re-align its axis?
                        So I would hazard a guess that we only find the big stuff -- monolithic --
                        because the little stuff has long rotted away or been melted down.
                        The pyramid of Giza is quite old and Sphinx are quite old.

                        There appear to be cavemen living at the same time as highly
                        advanced civilizations -- which has always been a paradox.
                        The history of China goes way back in time.
                        The Egyptian cultures may have inherited some knowledge
                        from another group. The Sumerians, dating way back, seemed
                        to have a culture that defies explanation.

                        It is possible that we have found technology ... but don't recognize it ...
                        or it has been collected by private individuals who are not ready
                        to share.

                        The Baghdad battery is interesting.
                        The Vacuum tube/bulb drawings on the Hathor Temple
                        are intriguing.
                        The Ark of the Covenant, to some, appears to be advanced technology.
                        The American Indians knew about triboluminescence.

                        Advanced technology would probably appear to be "Alien" ... but
                        that doesn't mean its not technology from humanoids.
                        Human beings can be quite brilliant ... and we have had a lot
                        of time ... maybe even more than current archeological theories
                        suggest.

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                        • #27
                          dangerous energy

                          Originally posted by Cloxxki View Post
                          Take energy from a pyramid, and earth may spin down, or re-align its axis?
                          I think taking energy from nature is always a bit risky.

                          Our current approach of taking fossil fuels and burning them, if we continue
                          may also lead us to doomsday -- with depleted ozone, crazy weather,
                          and near toxic air.

                          So with any "renewable energy" solution we contemplate must
                          come an appropriate respect for what nature can do -- worst case.

                          Wind generators are being argued against because the big ones
                          kill birds or make noise.

                          Solar panels are constructed from materials that pollute.

                          Batteries are made from poisonous materials -- also causing pollution
                          when they are made ... or discarded.

                          Natural gas is very clean burning ... but there is a bit of pollution.

                          Any radioactive approach, in my opinion, is a quick recipe for
                          disaster. Yes we have gotten really good now at keeping
                          the materials safe ... but we still don't know how to throw
                          the stuff away -- cheaply.

                          Slave labor .... bad karma.

                          So yes ... taking energy is risky.

                          I think we will not master this problem until we realize that what
                          we take ... needs to be returned so that balance is maintained.
                          Last edited by morpher44; 11-15-2009, 06:15 PM.

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                          • #28
                            396Hz

                            Aramoz mentioned this quote... great quote....
                            “If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe” - Tesla

                            Quent Laxis: 396 Hz Video

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by morpher44 View Post
                              Aramoz mentioned this quote... great quote....
                              “If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe” - Tesla

                              Quent Laxis: 396 Hz Video
                              Odd, that Tesla didn't seem to leave behind less cryptical hints on how to use 3-6-9 math for the likes of his own experiments?

                              As much as I can see that probably one day not too long from now, 3-6-9 will be generally associated "propulsion" or "power", I cannot bend my head around a frequency, based on the second, where significant or holy math within the actual Hertz number would be of any more significance standing by itself, than any other randomly picked frequency.

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                              • #30
                                healing frequencies

                                Originally posted by Cloxxki View Post
                                Odd, that Tesla didn't seem to leave behind less cryptical hints on how to use 3-6-9 math for the likes of his own experiments?

                                As much as I can see that probably one day not too long from now, 3-6-9 will be generally associated "propulsion" or "power", I cannot bend my head around a frequency, based on the second, where significant or holy math within the actual Hertz number would be of any more significance standing by itself, than any other randomly picked frequency.
                                Re: Tesla
                                I know he was OCD ... and obsessed about the number 3...
                                and used 3 in many patents ... 3 phases ...
                                I'm reading a biography on Tesla:
                                "The Life and Times of ..." by Marc J. Seifer.
                                On page 92 it talks about Tesla's meeting with Crooke
                                and how Crooke shook Tesla's world view by discussing
                                metaphysics ... and showing some experiments that
                                Crooke was doing quitely behind the scenes.
                                Crooke was doing psychic research too --
                                including ectoplasmic materializations. Bizarre stuff.

                                re: healing frequencies
                                It is well known that certain frequencies can damage ..
                                so its stands to reason that certain other frequencies might
                                enhance/heal. Certainly the Eastern world is clued in to this
                                notion.
                                Monroe Institute has played around with himi-sync ...
                                which supposedly can put people into altered states.
                                I downloaded SBaGen from
                                SBaGen -- Binaural Beat Brain Wave Experimenter's Lab
                                and played some of the examples. Impressive stuff.
                                Some of these sounds do alter mood -- or at the very
                                least have a positive placebo effect (for me at least).

                                The notion of vibrations to heal is a very sci-fi,
                                star treky idea ... but there may be something to it.

                                Sounds is fascinating.

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