Taking Down a Nation | Nikki Alexander

[Matthew Jones]

Please don't try to put a lid on free thinking.

No thats my intent. I admire free thinking, but after reading this stuff and what it becomes later in the threads (and there have been plenty of accusations based on assumption), I just don't enjoy seeing it here.

Someone, actually may be discouraged by it, may not take up the work on a bench. "Why should I do that when its dead road anyway".

If you can't make the solution (Specific and planned solutions) a part of the discussion, then its best just not brought up. Like I said it just turns into a frenzy of assumed and uneducated blame. Nonsense.

You wanna protest against it, I'm with ya. You want to plan some sort civil action against it, I'm there. But its ridiculous to continue to point it out and, not REALLY plan any strategy to combat it.

I'll leave it to y'all I just wanted my say.

Matt

!!NOTICE!! A good example of what I am talking about just posted while I was typing. The uneducated childlike blame game. THANKS HMS-776

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Matthew, you said quote "You wanna protest against it, I'm with ya. You want to plan some sort civil action against it, I'm there. But its ridiculous to continue to point it out and, not REALLY plan any strategy to combat it."
The reason people point these things out is to be of service, because they were once blind to it as well and would like to free others from these illusions as well, so one may take it or leave it as it were. I understand what your saying, however people still need to be aware so they may choose to believe in this illusion of lack or not. I would love as well if these things didn't have to be discussed, almost like discussing a story of a bad toothache I once had, not very fun, however these issues are here on this planet to learn something from or they wouldn't even exist. Love is the key.
peace love light
Tyson

[Matthew Jones]

The reason people point these things out is to be of service, because they were once blind to it as well and would like to free others from these illusions as well, so one may take it or leave it as it were.

But see thats my point. Too point these thing out COULD BE a service. If you were say writing petitions or handing out flyer's or doing in depth writing and advertising to the GENERAL PUBLIC. To people who don't realize this information exists.
But your not. Your making a point of it in a group of people who realize this goes on. So it becomes a discussion of nothing. Your preaching to the choir if you will.
If its the truth your professing then, what are you going to do about it? This is the material that need to accompany this conversation. But it doesn't. Oh of course we say energy independence is the key to robbing wealth of power. So what are you doing to further that cause. This is the material that need to accompany this conversation.

Whats the plan MAN!!!

But to often it just turns into this childlike blame game. "Who's the most evil?"... "Who's to blame?".
And thats not always bad, if it were accompanied with honest discussion of the flaws of a capitalist society, and how to fix them through ACTION.
But President bashing is all it turns into, every time.
People who have these discussions rarely if at all have ever read a proposed bill, or took lessons on civics or spent time researching the history of a given politician. Most don't understand the simplest things about a Democratic Capitalist Republic. Other than Money Rules...Money corrupts...

I don't want to stop you or anybody else from this topic. Just at least steer in the appropriate direction. Do something with it. Use it for good.
Don't use it to judge other men for there actions. No one knows another mans heart. No one...

Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Matthew, speaking for myself, all I am judging are the human systems that do not serve the good of all. By the way, this so called little group reaches the whole web, so its not little as you say. Also the my plan would be no plan, to stop playing there game and Peter's article explains the game. good luck
peace love light
Tyson

[Matthew Jones]

See there you go. I gotta plan out of you. I'm making progress already. 1 down a bunch more to go.

Cheers
Matt

[thedude]

See there you go. I gotta plan out of you. I'm making progress already. 1 down a bunch more to go.

Cheers
Matt

Now your just being an antagonist to this discussion. I have other relevant issues I was intending to add to the topic, but you seem to be driving this point of a plan. Give it up. this isn't a place for formulating "plans" of a political nature.

If there has to be a "plan", then it is to continue to discuss the original article that was submitted by Peter, which is important and deserves some exposure. Not everyone understands the delema that we as a people of this planet are involved in. Its called awareness. That is all this thread is about. Nothing more must be formulated!

Too distracted.

[toddo]

Not everyone understands the delema that we as a people of this planet are involved in. Its called awareness. That is all this thread is about. Nothing more must be formulated!

Well said thedude.

Matthew, I find this forum to be one filled with free thinkers of a high intellect and as such value their thoughts and opinions on all matters, energy related or not. Given the history of supression on technological and medical achievements, it takes no stretch of imagination to realize that we are simply being controlled so as not to become any less dependent on those who control us.

Looking at the events that have happened in the past 30 years and the laws enacted to "protect" us, it becomes clear why there is an almost unrelenting fascist agenda being forced on the citizens of the world today, some of the people have had a look at the men behind the curtain and we do not like what we see. No it is not about bashing the president or the prime minister for these people are nothing more than puppets that have been groomed for the position they hold.

Matthew, you asked for a plan and now I will tell you mine. My plan is to open as many eyes to help people see what the real agenda is. No, it is not what you read in the paper or watch on TV but is very much like Orwell's 1984. My plan also includes uniting people who have opened their eyes and seen that the real threat is not from a different race or creed or religion, but from a handful of very wealthy and powerful old men who control the global banking system.

I was fortunate that I was able to see through the global elite's web of deception as far back as the early 80s but had not actively tried to help others see the truth until now. You see I was simply scared of drawing unwanted government attention to myself or being branded a conspiracy theorist or a domestic terrorist. With the events that have transpired in the U.S. since January of 2009 I now realize that my apathy is far worse than any label I could be branded.

My hat is off to Peter for posting a link to an excellent website that explains how we were scammed into accepting a Federal Reserve Bank that has no more in common with the Federal government than Federal Express does.

Matthew, in addition to the site Peter recommended, you may also want to do a little reading at this site.

Energy independence will go a long ways towards fighting the system that might be in place in these hard times ahead of us.


h2opower

Correction h20power, Energy independence will fundamentally shift the power to the people and crumble the system currently in place. I believe it is the only way to truly acheive world peace without enslaving the human race to life on a prison planet ruled by megalomaniacs.

Peace

[Allcanadian]

@matthew Jones

Quote:
Paranoia, Conspiracy, and General Schizophrenic Mindsets (0 Viewing)
Discussion on various conspiracies and the fatality they present. Hi cabal and military industrialist endeavors to rule the world, Slavery of the masses, Impoverishment of the poor and middle class democratic Societies by the Elitist International Tycoon cooperations and banking industries, and other related topics are welcome here.
You'll have to continue to post this kind of Nonsense garbage.

I would suggest you read this ---http://mikeg531.tripod.com/MikeG531.htm
What you call "Nonsense garbage" is in fact common in recent history in many third world countries, in fact if you knew anything of history you would know there is always some psychopathic SOB trying to take over the world. Here is a good reference--http://www.cbv.ns.ca/dictator/default.html. The most common mistake the population made in every case is the one being made by you, "this can't happen to me", or "not in my back yard" or "somebody will do something", lol.
AC

[NewGuy]

maybe people will start to understand....those that keep wishing to patent energy devices .. ALL these energy groups should understand the whole point of us being here are working on SURVIVAL technology.... there should be no secrets and 0 tolerance for patent heads that think somehow they will have control when at most anything related to free evergy is nothing more than just survival technology.... it never will become anything more than that....maybe someday when we do regain control and EVIL is back to HELL, good will find a way to make the best of the best technology and then and only then will anything related to free energy devices hold a market value, if then.America will not go without a fight.,those that believe in only have and have nots can go back to HELL were they belong!

[Sputins]

It's a War.

NewGuy,

I agree with you.

Infact all of you have written some very good, note worth points. (Even Mathew Jones whom is correct in saying that a PLAN is required).. At least all of you guys aren't brainwashed into just going about your daily lives oblivous to whats going on. That's the first step. Second is to do whatever you possibly can to start a change.. Everyone on here is part of it, like it or not.

You are all on the frontline of this war. That is what it is, its a war.

The war is over the introduction of this so called "new energy technology", which could provide the common man with his own supply of cheep clean energy which will help free him from the grip of the globalists or those that wish to further enslave us for power and total control.

This war can't be won with arms or violence, only by helping, caring, and communication freely with your fellow man.

[h20power]

Like the scientist Neil says, " Once your eyes are opened there's no going back" paraphasing his words. My eyes started to opened way back in 1990 I was stationed in Japan and when all the money started pouring in I knew we were going to war with someone just not whom it was we were getting ready to fight. Then the again while stationed in Korea I was the motor Sargent and all of the suden I could get anything I wanted no questions asked.

The patern is clear first dehumanize the person or people you want to kill. Second ralley public suport with qute little songs, more dehumanizition of the target, and then the media propaganda machine goes into action all chanels all net. I knew we were going back to Iraq way before it was told to the public, and that man hand nothing to do with the events of 9/11. President Obama's last speech warning of another attact was just that a warning of things to come controled by those whom really planned 9/11. The seeds of fear was just planted in the minds of our fellow Americans and of those watching around the world.

As far as energy indenpendance fully taking them down, not going to happen for their use of Edward Bernays mind control systems is a lot more powerful than most people know. Even though I am fully aware of it I am still suceptable to it at times, so imagine someone that is not aware of it chances of thinking freely. They might even make a proabition agaist the use of said technologies based on the one video where they blew up the 2.5 gal. contanor with hho. They will just run their mad media machine and that will be that. Right now they pushing this flu shot with loads of fear the if you don't take it you will die in some pandemic that is going to sweep the globe in our near future. I wonder how many reading this are going to be lining up for this shot, I tell you I won't be one of them for I am not falling for their fear mongering.

Free energy impowers the individual but if that individual stays pluged into their mad media machine I truly question the freedom of their state of mind. Study the works of Edward Bernays to help aid your understanding of how the game is played would be a good start towards freeing your mind.


h2opower.

[Matthew Jones]

@Allcanadian
I am aware of Milgram's Theories.

@The Dude
Now your just being an antagonist to this discussion. I have other relevant issues I was intending to add to the topic, but you seem to be driving this point of a plan. Give it up. This isn't a place for formulating "plans" of a political nature.

Sorry you feel that way. But if just informing people is all its about then I guess the original article pretty much had that covered. If you have some to add feel free. It doesn't negate my point...Whats the use in knowing if you don't have an alternative.

I just wish, when these things came up would turn into somthing constructive. SkyWatcher tried here.. But still no solutions.

So how do you do your part to beat these people. I'll list few things.
For starters don't buy Gold Certificates. This is the next big harvest of finances and investment.
Stay out of the stock Market. Don't use credit (Bank ATM, Gas cards, Gift Cards, PayPal any of it) Remember Debt in any form, at any length is an asset to someone.
Barder within your local community, its tax free currency.
Buy or barder local foods.
Then of course there is Energy. Thats a hard one, but you gotta turns the lights as much as possible. Watch how much you drive. Or produce your own energy to lesson demand.
And the list goes on.....

The big thing is to start asking yourself Am I supporting these people with my lifestyle.
I bet if you most of you did a little evaluation of yourselves you'd find your supporting these cooperate types.
I guess its OK to cry about them, to point out the obvious that Money Corrupts, and people are Evil by nature. But boy it a whole'nother when you start asking people "What are they doing personally to get out from underneath it?" Or if you start wanting advice on the information on the solutions. Well then your trouble maker or something. LOL

I applaud all of you who do look for the way out....

I'll stop Antagonizing now, I promise.
Matt

[thedude]

sorry if i over reacted Matt.

Was late last night when i posted. Had some thoughts concerning world bank and world water council and their board of governors. I want to elaborate some on this, but alas i must go to work. Will check back later with some info and references.

Matt. I shouldn't have accused you of being an antagonist. I was just hoping to see the discussion continue here with out the added pressure on these members to outline a politically directed agenda. Although i will agree. There isn't anything wrong with having a plan at all. However at this point, it is only my opinion that we still don't have the full extent of the problem in clear view and how emersive it is, or the direction it is headed.

Certainly we need to do everything possible to avoid supporting a hidden agenda. Matt you outline some important ways to avoid doing that in your last post. I felt that i scorned your efforts here last night as i was trying to sleep. :P

There are definately some excellent minds contributing here.
Thanks!

[Tecstatic]

@Allcanadian
I am aware of Milgram's Theories.



Sorry you feel that way. But if just informing people is all its about then I guess the original article pretty much had that covered. If you have some to add feel free. It doesn't negate my point...Whats the use in knowing if you don't have an alternative.

I just wish, when these things came up would turn into somthing constructive. SkyWatcher tried here.. But still no solutions.

So how do you do your part to beat these people. I'll list few things.
For starters don't buy Gold Certificates. This is the next big harvest of finances and investment.
Stay out of the stock Market. Don't use credit (Bank ATM, Gas cards, Gift Cards, PayPal any of it) Remember Debt in any form, at any length is an asset to someone.
Barder within your local community, its tax free currency.
Buy or barder local foods.
Then of course there is Energy. Thats a hard one, but you gotta turns the lights as much as possible. Watch how much you drive. Or produce your own energy to lesson demand.
And the list goes on.....

The big thing is to start asking yourself Am I supporting these people with my lifestyle.
I bet if you most of you did a little evaluation of yourselves you'd find your supporting these cooperate types.
I guess its OK to cry about them, to point out the obvious that Money Corrupts, and people are Evil by nature. But boy it a whole'nother when you start asking people "What are they doing personally to get out from underneath it?" Or if you start wanting advice on the information on the solutions. Well then your trouble maker or something. LOL

I applaud all of you who do look for the way out....

I'll stop Antagonizing now, I promise.
Matt

This is constructive thinking, and it is in line with my own conclusions.
Within the last year my thoughts has been directed this way.

It is some kind of civil disobedience, which has a cost, as changing the society will not be a free meal. The first to do this will be the ones getting the smoothest transition I think.

We consider exchanging our house with a house in an alternative village with a little bit of land. I have to build the house myself.

I participated recently in a 3 day conference on Victor Schauberger technology. I think it is within my reach to get free of dept in a self sustaining house/local community, but not without a lot of effort.

Considering what the rich few has done, and are doing to energy, medicine, food and environment (Monsanto criminals), tobacco, liquor, water, genocide in 3. world countries, the money system and how it is used, it is all about big business and exploitation of "less valuable" humans and the earth.

So what's the alternative to Matthews ideas, isn't it in the very end a question of survival and trying to to avoid (more) enslavement ?

Eric

[Allcanadian]

@Matthews Jones

@Allcanadian
I am aware of Milgram's Theories.

Another good read is Gustave Le Bon's "The Crowd, A study of the popular mind,1896". On the the issue of free energy Le Bon also published a very good paper titled "The Evolution of Matter", it seems Le Bon was another person well ahead of his time. I would agree with most of what you have said, many people I know have chosen to opt out of the mainstream process and I am in the process as well. Being prepared for whatever may come is usually a good thing.
AC