The case against Over Unity

[Matthew Jones]

That of course would be goal for any of us. Unfortunatly outside of Howard Johnsons work I haven't seen much that can go that far. Some of Floyd Sweets work maybe, and maybe Henry T Moray. But these are all very illusive plans, that require years of understanding.
Though the possibility is there to tap the universe for energy. Somewhere I am sure.

If the machine were to run from a power that was not obvious (IE a batterry, PV, ect) But produce power on the outbound side, that machine would an Infinite COP.

Good Luck
Matt

[nvisser]

No free electricity

Here is an email from John Bedini that says that no free energy are produced by his systems.

[Sephiroth]

Here is an email from John Bedini that says that no free energy are produced by his systems.

Just to correct your statement... here is a quote from the file.

There is NO free electricity produced in these systems, or any other system that I know of.

[baroutologos]

OK, we are in nothing!

My piece of advice, Bedini et all are a bunch of inspirational illusionists. They claim a lot and they provide NONE.
Blame the Men in Black for that or Illuminati.

i am through.

Thanks for the good luck Mat, but not nessecary anymore.

[Matthew Jones]

Its too bad you feel that way. Other and myself am not disillusioned. Nor do we work hard to be a part of nothing.
My investment in time and money is closer than it has ever been to yielding a substantial reward. I won't get rich, I won't get credited or praised, but it will do what I set out for it to do.
My Tesla Switch's are suppling power to do useful work, as high as 25x more than the same batteries wired conventional.

If that is nothing to you than... All I can do is pitty you and your expectations. I wish you the best...

Matt

[CloudSeeder]

Gee, don't go falling apart into little pieces Baroutologos man. A couple hundred years ago maybe young boys would take the rings off barrels and roll em down the street tapping them with a stick. In the mid 1900's we got plastic ones, hula hoops. Any time ya make a circular system you should be able to do the same thing, only the trick you're looking for is a spinning hoop system that at the correct moment it taps its own self.

How difficult can it be? I don't think it's difficult at all for you guys having all your electronics savvy I lack. You might think well, yeah, we can do that, but will it be able to turn a generator? The answer to that is a resounding YES, because first you get the equation right to self spin THEN once ya have that you make it larger so that the force needed for a generator is relatively small.

Equation first, enlarge (high torque), add small generator (low torque). The generator doesn't run off the outside ring though because that would drag it down. The generator gear runs off the system's axle, which is using leverage power not just the outer ring <> outer ring + leverage-in-motion at the axle.

[ashtweth]

If there is no FREE energy in pulsing coils then what about magnacoaster? Only works on lead acid batteries like john's.

This guy pulses coils too, patent out soon.
Ismael Aviso
works on super caps.

Ash

[sucahyo]

I don't see the reason why we should disassemble our Bedini charger yet. Infact we should improve it!

In the future there will be more and more electrical device utilizing SLA. Conventional charger make them die early because of heating. Bedini charger not just do cold charge but also fast too.

Charging battery under an hour without heating them up can make a very good bussiness of charging station for truckers here, too bad no one know this yet. The trucker left the battery to be charge overnight usually.

There are many electric motor now, and also hybrid car and motor. Imagine what gain we achive if we replace the conventioal charger on them with bedini charger one. If with conventional charge Toyota Prius can achive 71mpg, it should be more than that using bedini charger. Off course without the big wheel of SG charger.

[tagor]

If there is no FREE energy in pulsing coils then what about magnacoaster? Only works on lead acid batteries like john's.

Ash

Hi Ash !

is it possible to buy magnacoaster device ?
how many time to get ?
did you have tested it ?

[Aromaz]

I agree - OU can NOT be

OK, we are in nothing!

My piece of advice, Bedini et all are a bunch of inspirational illusionists. They claim a lot and they provide NONE.
Blame the Men in Black for that or Illuminati.

i am through.

Thanks for the good luck Mat, but not nessecary anymore.

baroutologos; you are right. Problem is that nobody can really define where to draw the line on OU. Yes, it does not exist, can not be. But, you can get devices to work and generate electricity - without input of any electricity or any fossil fuels. Proven. I did too, in some way maybe they are OU, but in reality they are not. They are just plain science and working on the concepts of radiation.

On the other hand, the biggest problem we have today in all of this hop-hop-skip-OU is that everybody plays with copper-and-wires-and-wheels-and-magnets. THAT is not how you will ever get energy from anywhere for either light nor motion - unless you supply it from a generation source; which does cost you and which can NOT give OU.

The secret is NOT in the wires, coils and magnets. It is all around you, but you will need to force yourself to forget whatever you learned about electronics. Yes, I have the same stupid struggle every time I go into my lab.

Hey I am not so special - what I am learning and looking at HAS BEEN DONE - even centuries ago already. Problem is we need to look away from the traditional scholar-ed "everybody-in-the-same-groove". It is amazing how much info does get onto the internet lately from 'previously unknown
Sources’. Indian, Chinese, Arabian ...

Yet, all the time we in our Western world are stuck with our Newton, Hertz, Voltaire, Einstein and Frankenstein ... Tesla. Oh shucks, why Tesla got involved in the mystical Indian folklore ... maybe they are not just old women’s drunken folklore after all. Nicola Tesla discovered real interesting things - and got frightened.

Back to your topic:
“The case against Over Unity”
You got my vote. OU does not exist and can not be.

[Aromaz]

Reality is simple

That of course would be goal for any of us. Unfortunatly outside of Howard Johnsons work I haven't seen much that can go that far. Some of Floyd Sweets work maybe, and maybe Henry T Moray. But these are all very illusive plans, that require years of understanding.
Though the possibility is there to tap the universe for energy. Somewhere I am sure.

If the machine were to run from a power that was not obvious (IE a batterry, PV, ect) But produce power on the outbound side, that machine would an Infinite COP.

Good Luck
Matt

Yes you can tap into the 'universe' but no it is not out there - it is right here under your feet.

Difficult and years to learn - Nope, they are in fact very easy devices and the best place to hide the biggest secret is right in the open. I did a long study on most of these devices that does/did 'work' - but I went further and look into the person, his ability and his access to materials.

Guess what, THEY ALL HAD ACCESS TO RADIUM. Simple, easy and straight forward. Radium emits Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. Place such material in a coil of copper wire and the copper wire will get excited - giving you normal plain DC power. Easy to try and do. That is also why Stubblefiled had so much power from his earth batteries.

No have Radium - try Thorium or even take simple strontium/barium/ferrite, excite in microwave (BUT REMOTE CONTROL !!!), then put as core in coil of copper wire with some load like a light or motor on it. Does not last that long, but enough to prove the point of radiation. Various isotopes of radium has half life between 3 days and 1,600 years.

[Aromaz]

OVER unity

There is but only one way to proove anything remotely OU - that is:

Start it up (even if you need external power source) disconnect any external powersource and run completley on its own (or in series with other machines) but with NO EXTERNAL POWER SOURCE NOR ANY BATTERIES.

If it runs, can speed up and you are sure there is no other source of energy - THEN it is Over Unity. I still fail to see any such device, or plan, or patent, or experiment. Nothing at all.

So well, if we are looking at Sweet Floyd, Moray and the likes with their Radium devices - they are NOT over-unity! But at least they are fossil fuel free, not depending on solar nor wind either.

[Matthew Jones]

THEN it is Over Unity

You got my vote. OU does not exist and can not be.

Thats semantics, pure and simple. It is all based on how you define it. If your definition does not include anything that is not self powered then OU cannot exist. Even a seemingly self running apparatus is powered from something.

From Merriam-Webster's Open Dictionary

overunity/over-unity (verb) : Overunity refers to more energy or enertia resulting from a lesser amount of energy being applied to accomplish the result.
Overunity results in accomplishing Perpetual-motion where less energy is input then what is needed to generate more energy coming out. "Over-unity," is best described in the meaning and the result of accomplishing and maintaining clean and free self sustainable energy sources that do not create pollutants or waste products.

If this is the definition then OU does exist.

And in fact under that definition you can build a device from Copper Wire, Wheels and Magnets.
In an open loop the incoming energy can be serialized with the stored counter emf (Or generated EMF) of a running device. This process can physically and mathematically give you a net gain is stored potential.
Generating step up voltage transformer....

It pure semantics, and definition.

Matt

[Sephiroth]

Yes you can tap into the 'universe' but no it is not out there - it is right here under your feet.

Difficult and years to learn - Nope, they are in fact very easy devices and the best place to hide the biggest secret is right in the open. I did a long study on most of these devices that does/did 'work' - but I went further and look into the person, his ability and his access to materials.

Guess what, THEY ALL HAD ACCESS TO RADIUM. Simple, easy and straight forward. Radium emits Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. Place such material in a coil of copper wire and the copper wire will get excited - giving you normal plain DC power. Easy to try and do. That is also why Stubblefiled had so much power from his earth batteries.

No have Radium - try Thorium or even take simple strontium/barium/ferrite, excite in microwave (BUT REMOTE CONTROL !!!), then put as core in coil of copper wire with some load like a light or motor on it. Does not last that long, but enough to prove the point of radiation. Various isotopes of radium has half life between 3 days and 1,600 years.

are you saying Nathan Stubblefield had access to radium?! Do you have a source for that information?

[baroutologos]

We should not really care the knowledge where comes from...

Maybe the ancient Indians, Arabs or Greeks. The point is that we should be able to utilize such knowledge and improve our lives, not to open another mystique circle of research and dissapointment.

Someone who knows anything about that should step forward and illuminate us all as a true master. yet such a thing have failed to manifest.

Baroutologos