The case against Over Unity

[CloudSeeder]

"what would happen if the bulb was surrounded by mirrors and concentrated into a single beam aimed at something? Perhaps the mirror surfaces being arranged in a forward-angled spiral."

[Aromaz]

"what would happen if the bulb was surrounded by mirrors and concentrated into a single beam aimed at something? Perhaps the mirror surfaces being arranged in a forward-angled spiral."

You ever looked into the lens of a military search light? All that extreme beam of light is just from a small gas flame. thousands of small mirrors.

[CloudSeeder]

@Aromaz: No, I'm not familiar with them. But I figured I wasn't the first one to connect light with mirrors. So you're saying they used mirrors to cast a stronger beam. All I'm suggesting is to take that a bit further into the concave as a possible focused power source... taking ALL the light coming off a light source and throwing it into one small area, or point.

Sort of like what happens with a solar cooker, except better because the sun is a moving source. If you did the solar cooker with static bulbs correctly placed you might have a lot of energy, maybe even almost all the energy from bulbs, focused.

There would still be waste heat, but if you came up with something for the heat to do -and contribute- it would only get better. I was down to the Northwest True Value a few days ago and they had a new heater running in the basement with a sign beside it telling it only uses the energy of a lightbulb. I believe two of those babies would almost heat an entire home.

I think it could be bettered, and instead go further to being the home's power source, if someone was to do it. Probably not Over Unity but 99% or 100% is very acceptable. However, if once it got warmed up & running was to feed a piece of its own Output back to power the bulbs you would definitely have OU.

[CloudSeeder]

James Dyson could do it:

I betcha Sir James Dyson could do it <> Bagless vacuum inventor Sir James Dyson introduces bladeless fan <> what he has done with Wind could be done with Light, except that the light would be going in, combining via the mirrors, then coming back, reflected out on the same side. Check out his circular Wing~Venturi wind system these 2 pictures:




I would try arranging the bulbs around in a circle toward the outside diameter, the reflected light being focused back into the center, where it would be focusing into a globe filled with an energy-collecting gel of some kind... or maybe just focused into a different type of wire, or a metal ball acting as a capacitor (for holding a building charge of light NOT an electrical capacitor).
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[Jbignes5]

ok guys...

Has anyone thought about the analagy of this imense sea of energy we are in?

Has anyone watched something get dropped in a perfectly smooth pool of water. The results are amazing to watch in time laspe photography.

Has anyone ever thought of this pool of energy surrounding a coil?

What happenes when you pulse that coil just once for this example?

Has anyone just put the two together? Why is it that the resulting pulse comes back so much more voltage then what was put into it and even shorter pulse width?

One theory is that the surrounding pressure of energy we are afloat in can do a lot more then what we can do in a shorter time with our current electronics. Much like blowing up a baloon. Blowing it up takes time but releasing it takes very little time. If there was infinit energy then you would think that the energy bounce would be infinit but it isn't. There is a limitation of the tension to balance. It can only respond so much or have a certain amount of tension to the surrounding field that it took to displace it. It is not a collasping field but a field that is being crushed back twords a balance of tension. In all the experiments ranging from Bedini to anyone on here, I don't think anyone has thought of this analogy.

Better to understand the back pulse and you get the laws that govern this subcomponent of electricity. Lets say the background element of electricity. Undertsanding things like the time it takes to bounce back, no matter what voltage it is, should be key to understanding the background movement speed and weather frequency alters that movement or voltage potential. When a smooth pond is broken by an object falling into it, if it has obsticles like shorelines or walls, there will be a corrisponding wave returning causing an additional wave or energy pattern at the impact site. Cutting a 2d image of the impact site would be like looking at an oscilascope view of a wave form, only at 1/4 of the whole picture Time to the nth degree. If someone could calculate the variables of the transformer to input vs the negative pulse in relation to voltage and time compression I think you'll be starting to understand the laws that govern the returning compression creating the huge votage spike. You might even start to devise ways to use it in such a way to be able to amplify or get the most out of that compression spike.

This is just one way to approach OU. Sir Dyson sure has it right. Devise a way to do more with less using little known or payed attention to conventional physics to get more then you pay for. As with air, electricity has something that gets dragged along with it. If that thing is the real energy and what we are seeing is just the manifestation of that energy then devising a device to do what Sir Dyson did with air would be the key to unlocking the secret.

I do not subscribe to the OU dogma. What I do subscribe to is energy is neither created or destroyed. It just transforms from one state to the other. How well the transformation process of your device determines it's true efficiency. Whats not transformed to the work you want is only dissapated to the background tension. Now certain transformations can always include moving the background tension and give it inertia thru resistances or like media attraction. Move air and it won't move forever because there are resistances. Move air in the right way and it will move more then what you have to pay for using a common realm of physics, pressure. But only in the immediate area of your device. After that distance of resistances take over and it stops eventually.

Are we gonna find a way to OU. Probably not. Are we gonna find ways to manipulate the natural flow of this energy to convert it into usable energy. I'd say we are touching on it. But at what cost?

[CloudSeeder]

@Jbignes5: The cost? hehehe that's sanity. You have to lose some to make what's left new. Waves going into a rocky shore the energy gets broken and directed every which way, but in a swimming pool with hard sides you have more reflection. That's about what I know about waves. <> An electrical equivalent to what Dyson's circular wing is doing ~speeding up the air flow~ is sort of what happens when a small current is passed through a tiny wire.

Let's say that wire was inside a ball, and the ball was filled with some element or liquid that would have a v/fast reaction time to Heat. Okay, so if you pulsed the wire you would create a big expansion~contraction cycle. To get electricity from the physics at work you would need a generator like a coil that would push a magnet in & out on contraction and on expansion, so you'd be making current first off the electrical-caused expansion that first caused the expansion, right? But, the electricity generated off the natural rebound contraction would be EXTRA. You have made a twofer of the price of one electrical pulse, which I believe would give you an over unity situation. hahaha

That's your pond wave man. You need a somewhat unstable liquid or gas (highly reactive) that would not be molecularly altered by the action... so that it would recover to the same smaller state it was to begin with. Like trying to push a car out of a ditch, it goes so far then comes back at ya. You could harness that too, because that's gravity doing the work on the weight of the car. You only pushed it.

[Aromaz]

@Jbignes5;

I could not made this statement better. You are on the spot!

[Aromaz]

@CloudSeeder;

You do have an interesting point. If one could take a small light source i.e. 1 inch gas flame in search light and make it into a masive 35,000 ft beam, then whay can we not do it with electricity?

ahh, we need to find the 'mirror' for electricity, something that will bounce the electrons and multiply their force by exciting more from the sea of energy.

So what material did Stubblefield use in in heating dishes that bounced the energy to and from? What was their shape? What happened to them? Were they real?
These questions nagged me for a few months already.

[CloudSeeder]

@Aromaz: Plates to me mean capacitors. You're thinking reflection. Without a doubt he figured out a way -possibly- the plates may have done both. That's the real trick, to get stuff to do more than one operation at the same time.

Like Dyson combining a wing with a circle shape plus a venturi effect to speed the air up. A threesome banger actually, a synergy. Hmm, perhaps if the circle was magnetized and speeded up electrons in a wire going through the center. You might would need a switch turning one off at the same time the other turns on, like a very fast knife switch.

I only know enough electronics to be dangerous. hahaha I hear the Gov made a very powerful railgun not long ago that fires a million projectiles a minute. What they use for weapons many times has a peaceful expression if we look for it. Perhaps, instead of using a wire carrier for the juice, perhaps a stream of water or other fluid whichever might give some electrons to the Cause.

[CloudSeeder]

@All: We could be close to finding what Tesla found, electricity from the air, borrowing electrons from the air, or one of the elements in the air for that matter. I am only minimal help but I know enough to recognize cards being shuffled.

I think it might be helpful to remember that these guys lived in a different time. They still referred to air as the ether, as if it had mystical powers to give up... so they went in search to find them and get em. They believed, they had faith, and that's where the young guys fall on their face sometimes. Their training [brainwashing] is almost complete.

Like my enginewow and Millenial Dawn engines. They'll stand there looking you square in the face and acknowledge there are laws they still don't understand, right?, but when I tell them my engines don't violate thermodynamic laws but instead are a layer above them, the old brainwashing kicks in and that's the end of that. Male Ego kicks in and any further discussion is futile.

[CloudSeeder]

I think people are coming to realize we could use some new plays. I get a lot less resistance nowadays than I did 3-5 years ago. Wouldn't it be funny if the answer involved using Dyson's own device, adapted with coils and switches? As far as I'm concerned it looks a bit like he stole the idea from the TV show The Time Tunnel.

Not that my ideas for spiraled mirrors escapes the same criticism. That would indeed be hilarious if we ended up making devices from an early TV Sci-Fantasy show. Maybe we could bring back Lee Meriwether. She was hot.

[Jbignes5]

Alot of people have thought on this..

One point that I keep running into is the point that the sea of energy is plasma based. In all of the experiments and observation it seems that this aether is gaseous or has fluid dynamics involved. Plasma sure fits the bill. take a tube fill it with plasma and pulse the plasma in a direction. In theory it should do what Sir Dyson did. Draft more plasma along with it. Use the total plasma to generate or manifest electricity and walla you have a movement of the basic structure of say the medium and then have it manifest on wires or plates and draw from that what you need. That way you are not trying to use the basic structure or consume it but just move it causing the manifestation of electrity and using that. Then it should rebalance after and no harm done. This way we are not destructively sucking from the very nature of everything and only making waves to cause a manifestation of electricity. Maybe I got that wrong but there should be a way to make a pump converter without it being a brute force device.

[CloudSeeder]

An engine that goes to exponential, where 2 + 2 = more than 4:

@Jbignes5: In my car engine I bring supercold air (a liquid by being compressed at 4,361 psi) together with steamed H2O already injected into the cylinder. This is the makings of a very powerful tornado, and you could call it a plasma of sorts. As the injected liquid air even touches the steam, the steam is collapsing back into a much lesser volume of condensed water.

Collapsing away creates a vacuum in front of the expanding air. This magnifies the rate/speed of air expansion enormously... to where when it hits the piston head it slams it, not simply expands into it, with the Speed of a Thiunderclap in a vacuum w/out air to slow it down.

By combining these two simple forces together -both of them apart being inert- I've made an engine that goes to exponential, where 2 + 2 = more than 4. It does many of the things you say is possible of your plasma => it turns a big alternator to pump out gobs of electric current. That's the pump you say you want via the action you say is possible.

And as Aromaz and others here have mentioned its action should have its equal with other energies. I believe if we were to build my engine we would gain even more insights into energy that would help everybody make those expanded extrapolations. Making the "physical expression" would tutor us to make it work in other disciplines.

[Jbignes5]

Yeah thats more like it.

Come on there is more to be gleened from this. You have great ideas for energy generation. This is exactly what I was talking about. Coaxing energy from what one would not expect or connect to. Air and water I believe have the highest concentrations of this plasma energy. Water being the perfect conductor or transducer. Has anyone looked at at the expansion of ice forming in water and how much of a distance it will travel or even the power that a liquid has in that transformation. There are non-electrical ways to produce phenomina that could be harnessed. Much like your description Rodin touches on the power that might be present in a tornado. 5-10 times that of a atom bomb.
Maybe electronics is the wrong way to go here. Yes the generation could be electronic but the mechanism should be of something non electrical. As in the case of Sir Dyson he gets more out then he puts in. Putting light power generator that have near zero cogging would only bee a boon after using his priciples and design of his bladeless fan. Imagine a bank of these fans thru a wind tunnel like aparatus driving generators. Would it put out more then in?

[CloudSeeder]

Definition of Plasma-Lite &lt;&gt; Three Engine Systems:

You could also argue that Wind & Solar & Gravity energies are all forms of plasma from which we can benefit without having to produce. I've designed an engine for each one that goes beyond current technologies.

My "Wind Engine" of 2003 or so was a back & forth reciprocating machine with big "hands" (fans) that would turn their side to the wind, be pushed back and then turn sideways to return back forward. The power to pull it back to the front came from a cross member piece connecting the two sides fans. One side was always pushing the generator mounted at the base benefiting from the leverage (the arms the fans were up on). Leverage increased the power of even a slight wind speed below what is usually required of a standard windmill.

My solar engine does a few neat tricks of power magnification also, and far above what any "solar panels" can achieve, but at the moment I'm working on my Gravity Wheel and it looks fantastic. A lot of people worked real hard to prevent me from regaining my footing and building my various engines. A "conspiracy"? I don't believe that they sat down together and plotted against me but the effect has been similar <> a combination of individual efforts has gotten in my way.

When I found this Energetic Forum site I felt by joining I would escape that. And I am poised now to complete my gravity wheel. In fact, I've already built 4. Two are rather impossible to construct with my low level of building models experience; one came very close to spinning nonstop, and the one I'm about to complete today fixes the problems that one had. The arms kick a high leverage factor to the axle, and a generator gear meshed to an axle gear can power a home, not the whole world like nuclear, but the whole world one home at a time, one nighttime-charged battery bank at a time.

Like you would expect a plasma system to do. My earlier attempt at gravity is shown in this drawing below on the right, while my solar system device is explained how to make in the left side of the picture. I've added a few tricks to it since writing it up =>



I certainly do not mean to discourage anyone from pursuing their own chosen dream systems using electronic waves and big plasmas but I do think that building my simple systems first might give some insights into those more complicated systems.