The case against Over Unity

[linesrg]

Seph,

Therein lies a significant part of the problem. To my knowledge Rick has never posted results allowing replication.

His self-runner didn't self-run by his own admission.

Why does anybody listen to this guy.

I nearly fell over when I saw him described as what was it it, a technical assistant in one of the EFTV DVD's - don't make me laugh.

Regards

Richard

[nvisser]

If JB and Rick are not producing Ou (or whatever they want to call it) why are they selling this
Large Bedini 10 Pole Monopole.
$3800 10 Pole Monopole (International shipping included)
Truth In Heart CREDIT CARD ORDERING CENTER
Rick does not issue any figures but he claims stuff like 1.2Kw from 12volts. No current drawn given.
There must be some truth in this
I recon we will only find out if we order one!!
Then there is still the question: Are the batteries going to last or be destroyed in a short time?

[Matthew Jones]

I dont think you should be giving Baroutologos such a hard time, he has his own opinion and beliefs and thats fine with me.

I'm not given anybody a hard time. I just want to know what it is he trying to accomplish here with this post. Is he announcing his departure, OK don't let the door hit you in the ass. Is he looking for help, What do you need help with..ect.

Is this a means or an ends. Thats all.

Matt

[BobBrown]

For 2 years

For 2 years I've been fruitlessly searching the web for a place to start, in the over unity circle. It was very frustrating. Then I found the Bedini Monopole group, and they at least set me on a decent track. Now I'm part of Energetic Forum, and you guys should know that your the best !

There are no cut and dry methods. Everybody is as confused as I am. Kinda sucks, I like doing things that I know can be done. Unless I'm playing, but i need this OU thing , to round out some issues. Won't go into details, they are probably the same as yours.

But what is being said in this string is about as depressing as it can get. Your telling me that none of you has produced a device? None of you has been able to pulse a coil with sufficent sharpness, to transfer a decent amount of power to the secondary coil? Or eny power over 1 would be nice.

But its so straight forward -- no exp here, just regurgitating the Energy From the Vaccum DVDs --- Pulse the primary, get the voltage in there, turn the pulse off before too much current is lost. Catch the Negative current / voltage coming off the secondary. Stuff it into a Capacitor or Battery.

I Just finished making my second Coil. Its actualy got 5 windings in it, 2short ones, and 3 long ones ( 400 turns , and 800 turns respectively ). Its experimental. Nobody gave me the plans for it, I just figgered I could not sit around eny longer waiting for my SSG to do what I'd hoped. 24 and 26 guage wires I believe.

Here's the challenge, somebody link me a diagram that I can use this, or eny coil on, to get a total system efficiency of over 1. No theories. My sister has to be able to put it together, and it has to work. Minimum COP of 1.1. THats a TOTAL SYSTEM COP, excluding the vaccum. simply because we have no way of measuring the Vaccum.

Ok, going back to the back benches now.
I need a beer.
Andrew T.
PATHS ~ Mind Energetics

[baroutologos]

Ok, perhaps i used harsh words dicsribing my frustration and reprobation of Bedini techology, as well as others, regarding the OU issue and making big money on that.

(I cannot say to you the solution, due to big oil threats but come and buy my DVD)

I have been somehow misleaded and i want to warn others that seek in this dead-end technology solution to their energy problems.

I am not gonna reply this thread again.

Have fun, No hard feelings
Baroutologos

ps: i apologize if any member here feels insulted somehow
ps2: Yes, if some credible guy find out any OU i will be of the firsts to replicate!

[nilrehob]

I am not gonna reply this thread again.

Nooooo, stay! I love this thread! Very refreshing!
Maybe something productive will eventually come out of it?
Like a summary what does work (and obviously what doesn't) (on any level)?

[nvisser]

Baroutologos
This was a much needed thread
I believe you said things to get reaction and you did
Maybe some of the members "that give hints" every now and then wil come forward and teach us something!!

[Ted Ewert]

A critical issue with the Bedini devices, which virtually everyone ignores, is impedance matching. Bedini knows just how to match his machine with a load (battery), which makes a huge difference in the efficiency category. Unless you match your machine with it's load, there will not be an efficient transfer of power. Power transfer is a critical part of a COP calculation.
I could never pin him down as to how he derives the input impedance of a battery. All he would say is that you have to match impedances, but wouldn't reveal how he calculated this. That was about the same time I parted company with the whole Bedini tribe. Too many lose ends, and I found Rick intolerable.
Nevertheless, his basic pulse circuitry is golden.

Cheers,

Ted

[sebosfato]

I think ted might be right. Also my project witch have also coils... have to have the impedance matched to work as predicted.

[sucahyo]

There is no OU device.

Tom Bearden and Bedini mention to utilize spike to get aether flow to our circuit so we can have more power. I don't think it is right to call it OU because now we utilize aether that flow around us with high energy capacity (said Tesla). It wouldn't be much different than utilizing sun, waterfall or any other nature source.

If you call Bedini device is OU device. Then if I buy a reflective mirror and arrange it to make solar furnace, I got OU device. I don't do anything or any work but the furnace heat up it self at noon. Same way with wind generator, waterfall generator, sea wave generator, etc.

What introduced by John Bedini is aether wave generator. If it succeed, next generation may view it as strange as nuclear power we see now. So, let's keep experimenting. There is no guarantee that what John Bedini introduce is the correct way to make aether generator, there may be a better way.


Even if I don't achieve OU, I really thankfull for John Bedini to share his charger design. It is a combination of HV spike and normal charge with a simple trick. I use lazy method of utilizing transformer instead of winding them my self, also use other cheap trick, never even made a pcb, every component is directly soldered to the chip .

But it work great for NiCd, much better than my chinese charger or specially built charger at local mini 4WD track here . My kid still never loose yet . Don't just use it to revive battery, use the radiant charger to win local competition on anything move with NiCd, who knows you might find more satisfaction than seeking OU .

[anut]

There are many mini "discoveries" disclosed in overunity forum which are legitimately very close to ou, and it is up to you to discover them.

You will not be able to replicate any ou system, if you choose to ignore all other inventors' contribution and/or make their contribution invisible.

[witsend]

Ok, perhaps i used harsh words dicsribing my frustration and reprobation of Bedini techology, as well as others, regarding the OU issue and making big money on that.

(I cannot say to you the solution, due to big oil threats but come and buy my DVD)

I have been somehow misleaded and i want to warn others that seek in this dead-end technology solution to their energy problems.

I am not gonna reply this thread again.

Have fun, No hard feelings
Baroutologos
ps: i apologize if any member here feels insulted somehow
ps2: Yes, if some credible guy find out any OU i will be of the firsts to replicate!

Baroutologos - I'd like to point out that this 'extra energy' is not actually pie in the sky - but has been identified and is required by our astrophysicists. It's patent that it's there and in some abundance. You can hardly expect the thinking public to ignore the potential advantages to this? And while Over unity may be difficult to reach - co-efficiency of performance greater than unity has been realised - all over the place. Quite apart from the Bedini motors - which is a proven technology - there is evidence in the effect of the rodin coil to name just two such.

So all we're doing within the limits of our abilities is to crack 'access' to the field? Without the effort there will definitely be no progress. And I think the entire planet would be glad of a breakthrough here.

But I get it that you were just venting?

[morpher44]

impedance matching of Bedini

A critical issue with the Bedini devices, which virtually everyone ignores, is impedance matching. Bedini knows just how to match his machine with a load (battery), which makes a huge difference in the efficiency category. Unless you match your machine with it's load, there will not be an efficient transfer of power. Power transfer is a critical part of a COP calculation.
I could never pin him down as to how he derives the input impedance of a battery. All he would say is that you have to match impedances, but wouldn't reveal how he calculated this. That was about the same time I parted company with the whole Bedini tribe. Too many lose ends, and I found Rick intolerable.
Nevertheless, his basic pulse circuitry is golden.
Ted

My understanding of impedance matching is that

Z = sqrt(R^2 + XL^2)

where Z is impedance (ohms) R is resistance (ohms)
and XL is

XL = 2*PI*F*L

were F is frequency and L is inductance.

I would hazard a guess that F will be the frequency that
your motor spins under ideal circumstances ... which will
vary quite a bit depending upon whether you use a large
bicycle wheel, a little fan, etc.

In terms of your coil for the Bedini, you have some control.
You can wrap it for a certain L and use a certain gauge
wire for a certain R.

If your goal is to keep Z to a minimum, then most likely
R will be very low ... (less than 10 ohms)
and XL should be kept low as well.

Yet ... the Bedini uses a bifilar coil ... serving more
as a one-to-one transformer ... and so having a LARGE
inductance has certain advantages for storing more
Joules in the coil -- hence we see a core with ferromagnetic
material such as welding rods.
Also, with ferro in it, the coil has a non-linear inductance
that varies depending upon the FLUX hitting the coil
as the magnets fly by.
A steady pulsing of magnetic fields (with always the same pole)
will raise the inductance along its B-H curve,
and alter the impedance.
This will have the effect of attenuating the energy so that
the motor goes slower.

Slow is actually good for Bedini motors.

So one question to ask here is HOW SLOW?
What is the IDEAL Bedini motor RPM?
I bet that values less than 35 RPM (or 2082 RPS).

The Radiant spikes might actually be radio reception
in the VLF frequency range ... and certain
frequency have lots of energy.

So, you might want to tune your RPMs to a frequency
with the most radio frequency energy to BOOST
the Radiant spike reception.

[morpher44]

the case for OU

Many people try to find "over unity" without first identifying the energy form they are trying to tap. It's like trying to build a windmill without ever experiencing the wind.
You have to be able to identify and "measure" the energy source before being able to harness it. Zero point energy sounds great, but how the hell do you quantify it, let alone use it? Tom Bearden talks a great talk, but I have yet to hear him offer one way to tap into all the energy he yammers endlessly about.
Negative energy, zero point, Dirac Sea, scalar waves, Phasers and light sabers are all in the same fantasy world until they can be harnessed and used. I think this is where a lot of the confusion and frustration is generated.
Stick to what you can work and feel comfortable with. Find the energy source first, then figure out a way to harness it.
Ted

There are several examples of "systems" in nature that
emit unaccounted for energy.

We have the Sun in our solar system for one.
We have so called "dark matter" to balance all
the energy in the universe.
Some biological systems can BURST out energy
in very unexplained ways.
There is phenomenon such as ball lightning which
defies explanation.

Over unity can be achieved with systems
that have vast potentials of energy waiting to be
consumed. The burning of OIL is over unity
in that it takes less energy for us to pump it
out of the earth than we get after burning it.

Over unity as a term ... or a concept ... is just
really the conversion of potential energy to
kinetic energy ... where that potential energy
was available to you in a form that took
less energy for you to get than you got from it.

I think Tesla talks about pushing a little snow ball,
which grows and grows as it rolls down hill,
until its a monster snow ball that can crush a building.
From the person witnessing the building being
destroyed, a HUGE amount of kinetic energy was
utilized. Yet the person pushing the original snow ball
only expending a tiny amount of effort.

It is complete ignorance to think that over-unity is impossible.
Energy does not have a "source".
It cannot be created nor destroyed.
It can only be converted back and forth - potential to/from kinetic...

[Otto-]

Hello all,

nice discussion. Sorry for jumping into this discussion with my question but Im not so familiar with Bedinis work:

are his coils vibrating?

Otto