The case against Over Unity

[ABCStore]

since the thread is really about john's monopole not being OU. Ask your selves what happened when john demonstrated the 10 Multi coil set up on ENFTV, he put the energy in almost instantly. Was that OU?

Personally, I'm not sure what John is showing in all those videos. It's inconclusive and unprofessional to say the least. As far as EFV series, it's for the most part a huge disappointment. Whoever the guy is, he NEVER asks relevant questions. His pattern is "right... right... right..." even to an obvious BS.

ABC

[linesrg]

I have responded off line as requested

@linesrg

You made that offer before...
But the problem for me with you is you have 7 years of experience with monopoles and the like, where's your stuff? You only have one thread on this board and its just a rant from what I can tell. I didn't read the whole thing tell you the truth.

So who are you? Were you in the Bedini groups? Wheres your stuff posted?

You wanna invite PM me.

I am building my house right now and I have no shop, yet. That will come later. Thats when I'll invite ya. But we'll know each other at that point. Hopefully.

If y'all can't make it work for ya or you don't have the patience and you don't want to ask for help or take advice from people thats something nobody can change but you.

I know it works. Everybody around me has seen my stuff. I have family members who were my best critics. They have no doubt now.

Like I said you PM me, we'll get to know each others backgrounds, and when the time is right you and anybody else are more than welcome to come.

Matt

Guys,

I don't rant, at least on line.

My point remains unchanged and it doesn't matter what any critic says or thinks.

It really is this simple.

1. Build an SG of whatever description.
2. Drive it using a battery bank sized such that the SG takes a C20 (go and look up Peukert) load from this bank - measure volts/ amps
3. Charge a fully conditioned battery or bank on the output.
4. Use these at the C20 (go and look up Peukert again) load to drive a load measuring volts/ amps
5. Is the figure from Point 4. greater than that from Point 2.?

Nothing else matters - it is no more complicated than that. This same simple test would apply to any claimed OU device.

I want to find one. I don't want to be a slave to the system as much as the next man or woman.

Showing plans and drawings on the internet, communicating via various forums is all very well. JB then gets frustrated when we all apparently 'fail'. If JB truly wanted us to succeed he would stop all this 'teasing' that has been carried out for years.

If he has been theatened, and I believe it quite possible, then why does he continue to promote himself and his work all over the place? If he had been threatened then surely he would keep his head down not give us all clues as to what it was he was warned off about.

Something doesn't add up.

Regards

Richard

[patmac]

ash

But what about the Pendulum, seems to be OU, what do you think?

[baroutologos]

Thanks, Linerg and Mark for support here!

No kidding, an trully Ou machine must be away from meters and stuff. Must self-sustain and produce work. Failure to do so, its an useless machine in practical terms.

I hear words of successful OU here and there. where is your setups gentlmen? Please present your setups for some constructive reviewing, maybe criticism and subsequent replication... by all means (really). Note the burden of proof is upon these claimed the extraordinary, not the opposite. We are not so despare to believe anything...

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I remember the words in 1984 Bedini's boolet that goes" i do this (share the info) for the poor lady in the park". This old lady in the park will be plagued by power corporations for years to come since the vast vast majority cannot produce a single surplus joule of energy. Not to mention in economic scale.

Reaching naturally to usual conclusions my friends.
We all need to wake up from companies exploitation and upstart merchant that claim to be our saviours.

Regards,
Baroutologos

ps: nothing that you see in dvds you can count is ou. nothing. Even the presentation of the EFTV 10 of Kromrey converter takes some 10+ amps at 24 volts to charge a battery. Some 300 watts? I can boil a battery with 300 watts alone.

[linesrg]

Patmac,

The pendulum destroyed the batteries it was charging as admitted by Peter Lindemann.

This is another source of frustration with follwoing Bedini's work. I don't know if it is JB himself or those around him that make claims on his web pages but these claims are not rescinded in the light of known failures. Thus the device with the claimed COP = 60 is apparently the pendulum but as this destroys batteries it is of no real use in the long term.

Contrary to what I'm posting here I do want to believe in John's work but he makes it very hard to do so.

Regards

Richard

[BobBrown]

People, pls. We all need to have same reference ground.

One thing is for sure. A clever practical man should make distinction between things that work and bull.

Regards,
Baroutologos

Sorry can't resist a bathroom joke here.
Sometimes the bull has to Sh*t before the furtalizer can help to produce life

Where there's smoke theres fire

CHeesy I know, but I could not resist

Forgive me
OU exists everywhere. We just like to classify the imposible as Overunity.
So lets do what we know, lets see if we can tweek it towards the impossible.
And if we fail to get the impossible, well, enything shy of imposible must still be quite an achievement.

OU devices, Hydro Electric Dams, WindMills, Heat pumps. Even gass engines if you consider that we put very little personal energy in, to get lots of energy out.

The thing with the above is that we can see it, we can taste it, we can feel it. We've mostly figgered them out.
The Impossible? Not so much. It's impossible so why try.
And the world was once flat, and the moon made of cheese, man would never fly, or dive to 20 000 feet under the ocean. These things were once impossible.

I like bediini, its simple and clean, but the SSG I'm working on needs alot of tweeking, or actualy needs to be thrown away, and totaly reworked. But its a starting place. From here, we shall once more reach the moon. I hope its easyer then the way Nasa did it.

Andrew T
Mr Newbee
Or, some people call me " hey you "

[ren]

OU exists everywhere. We just like to classify the imposible as Overunity.

Yup. The problem is peoples definition of overunity, as stated before by Matt (Nice house by the way )

baroutologos you need to invest some time in clarifying your definition of overunity.

Here are some examples of simple OU devices.





And Sep is right. All measurements relating to the SG device should be in joules in vs joules out. Watts, amps, volts measurements just dont give you an accurate depiction of input vs output.

Regards

[Ted Ewert]

@linesrg


I am building my house right now and I have no shop, yet.
Matt

Beautiful house Matt, I like the concrete walls. I look forward to seeing the shop you'll build.
What kind of siding are you going to put on?

Ted

[Matthew Jones]

I'm not trying to tie up the thread with my house. I wanted to show I wasn't making excuses for not inviting linesrg or anybody else for that matter.

But I'll go ahead and give the specs on it.
The house is 2700 square feet.
The house is ICF constructed. The roof system is design for 150 mile an hour winds. Its on a slab for thermal storage. The walls go 3 foot in the ground and the slab floats on a white sand base. Again for thermal storage.
It has 8.55 kilowatts of grid tied power, which we will lower at later time based on the home consumption. We will convert to island for most power but will still output to the grid. It has solar hot water. Backed up by a geothermal system for heat and air. Water furnace with a COP of 5.
The wall system is insulated, but the roof has 5" of spray foam. (I can't remember what kind, soy something) R35 no thermal transfer.
I got a bio mass burner / wood stove 45% efficient heats 2500 square foot. Can burn anything including pine. I have enough branch's that fall from the trees to give food to the local termites and heat my home every year.
Its going to look like a cabin but no wood products are used on the exterior. I have concrete siding that looks like wood. The trim is all paper product with super glue holding it together (Meritech) LOL.
It will have a lot of bells an whistles.
Its a model I am using to get green and energy star credentials. I have built 80% with my own 2 hands and well as the design. I figure I can't design and sell sustainable homes without first know all the ins ands outs.
Its my hope to come up with a moderately priced home with 0 zero consumption points.

We can't keep building the same old things and expect things to change.

I'll put a thread together when its done.

Thanks for the good words. Now get back on topic!! LOL

Matt

[patmac]

Hey!. OU exist.

OU exist, baraoutologos refers to Bedini Systems SG, Monopole etc don't work in OU mode, why I don't known, theory suggest battery conditioning theory, Bearden speaks about it and speaks about Nelson a microwave engeneer that built a circuit able self recharge a lead acid battery, but how works?...

[baroutologos]

Ok, perhaps i want to believe you, evidence is contrary. Some people here redefine the term OU. Ou is in the dawn! In the flowers.. Ou is in every single breath.. in every touch.. Come on! wake up!

Phew..

[Matthew Jones]

Alright you have given 2 definitions for OU now.

Overunity is defined in electrical terms only. input in vs output or watts in vs watts out.

Must self-sustain and produce work. Failure to do so, its an useless machine in practical terms.

Of course one is just better case of the other.

*60 joules in, to run the device 61 joules out, and collected is NOT overunity in your opinion.
This device to satisfy you would have to shuttle the 60 joules back to the front end without loss and re power itself. The one joule could go anywhere as long as it did work.

So my question where in the world did you ever get the idea that monopole was supposed to do that? Or anything for that matter.

And if that what you expect to see why are playing with a monopole anyway? I mean...Its charger and not a real powerful one at that. No other claims have been made, other than that. Not that I have seen anyway.
Discharge one battery and charge another. And if you do it right you can get the charged battery to kick out more than expected.

But the thing is not perfect by any means. I could right off the top of my head come up 3 basic construction mistakes that will stop power flow, but the thing will still run. Seem to be doing well but for no apparent reason at all it won't kick out. Tuning mistakes, component problems. A number of things.

But I have heard your take on it. Something along the lines of It can't be that hard to put together, if there are that many variable to failure whats it worth. LOL so many words anyway.

So whats the point of continuing to try to convince us that for some reason your right and we're wrong. That we are all mindless slaves who follow the OU trinket dealers.
What are looking for an invitation to see and test a device. Do you want someone to build you one and send it to you.
You've made it very apparent that even if we publish movies and number and and anything we are all just fools who can't be trusted.

So what your point? You just wanna get people fired up... You need to share your innermost misery with us...

Just say then word. What is your goal with this thread other than to rant?

Matt

[Mark]

Hey Matt

First of all take a look at this site New Page 1.

I think everyone would agree that the Bedini device clearly gives us the impression that its over unity. Use 1 battery to charge up 9 dead ones.

How many people do you KNOW that have built a device that can do this?
How many people on this forum have built a device that can do this?

Baroutologos has built numerous devices and has a lot of time and effort into them. I have seen his work posted and its quality. He wants to build an over unity device just like all of us do but has been unsuccesful just like all of us have been. If he wants to vent let him. If he wants to quit building or experimenting, that's ok too. He hasn't told anyone to quit trying he's just fed up with all the misleading information.

I'm sure if someone finally got something to work he would be one of the first to replicate it but until someone has some real proof I wouldn't blame him one bit for giving up.

Now let me say this, I like building and studing the Bedini motors and will continue to learn from them. I believe John does have an over unity machine but we do not have all the info to build one yet and he may never give the information to make one. But maybe someone else will figure it out and hopefully they will share that info with the rest of us.

I dont think you should be giving Baroutologos such a hard time, he has his own opinion and beliefs and thats fine with me.

Mark

[quantumuppercut]

I think the problem here is that you feel exhausted after all this free energy persuing. The bottom line is that you are not able to get a self running device. I get that all the time being stuck with theory, getting the device to work, try to understand what other is saying. It is frustrated when you hear someone has an all good solution, but that is just your interpretation. Maybe they are exaggerating things. I personally have not sucessfully made a self running machine and it won't be me either. However, I am not a believer, I am a first hand witness with my own device. I have other more interest about OU aspect than engineering one.
The common reason I see why people give up is that they do not have a firm theory to grab on . Like someone already mention, just the fact that electron keeps orbiting a nucleus prove a perpetual motion machine without a doubt. That's the thing that kept me going.

About BSG . It works on the exact concept as Rosemary circuit. I say Rose ciruit is the 2nd generation to BSG . Put in a current, retrieve the current to another battery, and repeat . The process of put in and retrieve current is unity if not less than unity. I say a good craft circuit retrieve 70-80% of input . I see people counting on the recharging battery to be better than the input. It won't unless comes from the magnet, but it's too little to even consider. The free energy is the torque . Load that wheel . The more loading, the more free energy. The consequence is that the primary and secondary battery will do its drainning/charging faster. An analogy of this is money. A country have a fix amount of money(energy), and the economy is free energy . The more you circulate currentcy, the stronger the economy is .

[Sephiroth]

How many people do you KNOW that have built a device that can do this?
How many people on this forum have built a device that can do this?

Kevin has reported being able to charge two batteries from one as I remember... though I do think the report on John's website was probably from an anomaly like the pendulum...

Also, if you have seen the video of Rick's trifilar, his motor runs on 1 watt, uses a generator coil to light one watt of leds and charges a second battery... though I haven't seen accurate measurements so I can't vouch for that