The case against Over Unity

[boguslaw]

Ok perhaps I do answer this thread again!

Last week i have been studying an old magnificent book by Martin Thomas Commeford published by New york: The electrical engineer named "The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla".

This book presents in various sections the work of the scientist as well as the historic lectures he addressed in New York, London, Philadelphia and St. Louis.
This book admitedly was the source of inspiration for many OU apparatus inventors as Donald Smith.

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Every inventor of any electrical OU machine, in order to give legitimacy to it, claims that his/her work is based upon Nikola's Tesla work.
I went acrossed the book. I have spotted the famous phrases that Tesla uttered and the context of them.

I have not be able to find nowhere any claim of the inventor in this inspiration book, via the numerous Tesla experiments of his inconceivable genius that he supported he found a way of creating extra energy.

Correct me if i am wrong and give puplication, auhor and Tesla quote.

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The famous and misused words spoked at London Lecture.

"...is quite possible, however, that such " no wire "
motors, as they might be called, could be operated by conduction through
the rarefied air at considerable distances. Alternate currents,
especially of high frequencies, pass with astonishing freedom
through even slightly rarefied gases. The upper strata of the air
are rarefied. To reach a number of miles out into space requires
the overcoming of difficulties of a merely mechanical nature.
There is no doubt that with the enormous potentials obtainable by
the use of high frequencies and oil insulation, luminous discharges
might be passed through many miles of rarefied air, and that, by
thus directing the energy of many hundreds or thousands of horsepower,
motors or lamps might be operated at considerable
distances from stationary sources. But such schemes are mentioned
merely as possibilities. We shall have no need to transmit
power in this way. We shall have no need to transmit power
at all. Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven
by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is
not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason.
It has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the
history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of
Antheus, who derives power from the earth ; we find it among
the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians,
and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time.
Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic ?
If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic and this we know it
is, for certain then it is a mere question of time when men will
succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of
nature."

see at 235-236pp of the book.
So, Tesla recognizes that overunity or energy extarction from space (not from sun or wind or other conventional low energy output sources as we utilize them now) is possible.

From the ancient Greek myth of Antheus (the Titan that Hercules killed) till theoretical predictions overunity has been always "by instinct or reason" in people minds. (as mine)

The fact is Tesla set it in a frame of future generations with sophisticated Technology as this technology will enable it to happen.

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Concluding, I have not be able to locate a single puplication that re-states Tesla's words and explanations - as he used to give extensive technical as well as functional details of every machine he made - that supports he could achieve overunity in considerable quantites.

Radient energy utilization patent being excluded since it behaves a photovoltaic effect and bears much less energy production potential than plain photovoltaic arrays.

Pls if i am wrong correct me.

Baroutologos

You are wrong.This is not about photovoltaic effect, which is effect of EM radiation on metal.It is radiant energy utilization, exactly what name describe. It would be better to start new thread to discuss radiant energy because it is crucial issue to understanding all OU effects.

[quantumuppercut]

baroutologos


I would disagree, If Overunity is excess energy above unity, unity being the total energy present in any given system or space, then a nuclear reactor is not overunity. We know where nuclear energy comes from, "Nuclear: Using or derived from the energy of atomic nuclei:", the energy liberated by a nuclear reaction was latent energy within the atoms. Overunity by definition is therefor energy from nothing which obviously is impossible. The mistake that is continually made is not accounting for all energy in any given space whether it is occupied by matter or not--- in an absolute sense(all energy in every form).
As well a nuclear reactor has been quoted as only being 5-6% efficient, that is around 90+% of the energy liberated from the nuclear reaction is waste heat not utilized, it is a disgrace to the engineering profession.
Regards
AC

Very interesting. "All energy in every form." We can't know what we don't know, so is it safe to say that we do not knows all energy forms? For instance, once we knows this "ZPE" form, will there be another form of energy other than ZPE later on? I would say possibly. You see... the circle will never end unless one see this logic, therefore, OU or not OU depends on what definition game are we playing. Of course if you want to get along, you have to play the game. This is the part i hate, but I must play(at minimum) since I choose to exist in this life.

We can't really blame the reactor for low efficiency. A steam plant is only 35% if not less efficiency. Engineer can micro it to a higher efficiency, but it's not worth the work. This doesn't mean I'm pro-nuke. I'm just saying everything happens for the best.

[Matthew Jones]

I wouldn't say anything was overunity. That is a term coined because we do not use energy properly at all. Our standard scale for consumption is flawed.

If Motor of a certain make costs you 750 watts of energy to make one horsepower, and the same motor under different powering configurations only cost 10, that does not make that motor anything but more efficient or for better word it COP climbs.
You can not assume that anything is over performing or overunity based on standard engineering. You can only make the conclusion that it can be done better. Even in the case of a self powering device.

What "Is possible" should be the standard for which energy consuming or producing devices are measured and rated.

Matt

[sucahyo]

Concluding, I have not be able to locate a single puplication that re-states Tesla's words and explanations - as he used to give extensive technical as well as functional details of every machine he made - that supports he could achieve overunity in considerable quantites.

Why do you keep insisting that what Bedini want to achieve is overunity? He want to achieve the same goal as Tesla, extracting power from vacuum which is not actually vacuum. And I think it wouldn't be cheap.

I think what we should do now is trying to get more efficiency out of anything. If we don't know that our lighting at home is actually waste half of it's power, maybe we miss something. It is better to do something that can be applied right now.

No one want to mass produce CFL powered with radiant oscillator? It should get much less power, and don't avoid to use the filament.

[CloudSeeder]

Several Wheel Systems (re-invented wheel devices)

That is the question you must answer for yourselves. Because if you do not trust this to always be the case, then you must admit the possibility that these Free Energy technologies DO INDEED EXIST, and have been suppressed. What we are trying to do here, is re-invent the wheel... Wheels that have been re-invented over and over the last hundred years. Every time someone is successful, the wheel is taken away, the knowledge of it suppressed, and we have to start over

I have made several systems that are a reinvention of the wheel. No one suppresses me because the general public is so dumbed down by drugs and ill health, and pushed to work harder and faster, no one has the energy or time to understand them. And if they did so what?! The public can't build em any more than I have the money to build em.

When you say "re-invent the wheel" that doesn't quite reach what I've reached. I made whole systems that run in a circle like a subroutine incorrectly written that drops into a repeating loop. So how many people out here even know what a subroutine is and also know what a repeating loop is huh? And even if they do their brain is totally washed out to know that a repeating loop is a MALFUNCTION, so when this poor hapless soul sees my designs their brain automatically dismisses them to be recognized as a FLAW.

ergo I'm just another nutcase. No one has to suppress me. Everyone is already suppressed. hahahaha

For any of you brave souls want to venture into the answers start with this page as a warmup showing how to make a car engine that uses its own massive moving weight kinetic energy as an energy source => Air Powered Car: Reversed Steam (Vacuum) Power~Collapsed by Minus-320 Cold Air = Instant Explosion Dual Synergy Creation-Time Engine of 2003 17 Billion Years Old <> and then tackle real overunity here => Millenial Dawn Power & Light {mc2=E < E=mc2} Universe PowerAnywhere MultiMass VaporGenerator AntiGravity ElectricEnergy Peaceful Einstein Equation..

The first one is a car engine SYSTEM that results in an exponential explosion w/out combustion, so there are few losses. It's a climate engine. Since the liquid air balances with the hot steam (water droplets passed through a heater conduit) the system is temperature balanced and no need for any cooling system, plus the water cycle and the air cycle are both closed-loop cycles. So the engine does not have any exhaust whatsoever, thereby all the weight of an exhaust system goes by the wayside along with the heavy cooling system and antifreeze.

This is a completely EARTH NATURAL SYSTEM.

No needs for government exhaust regulations <> no exhaust.

No need for polluting chemicals from catalytic converters <> no exhaust.

Enginewow.htm is more than a reinvention of the wheel. It is a combined symbiotic system of numerous complimentary wheels. Well, I finished designing it in early 2008 and it just sits gathering dust. My disability check and my health issues have a suppressing effect already.

Enginewow.htm ('03,'08) will keep a spaceship as warn as a tropical isle, using the intense cold energy outside the ship to recompress the air instead of car motion/compressors.

Millenial Dawn (2/'05;10/'05 online) will power that ship, put electric power on the Moon, planets. And with some some alterations it does something else <> produces an upward force that will overcome Gravity. It is also in its own right another wheel-type assemblage.

Humanity will never become a Type 1 civilization til we grow a backbone and a lot larger set of balls.
I also fixed a good solid theory for how Tesla's anti-gravity craft was powered up.

[quantumuppercut]

ergo I'm just another nutcase. No one has to suppress me. Everyone is already suppressed. hahahaha

Well, if that is the case, that makes two of us. hahaha

The first one is a car engine SYSTEM that results in an exponential explosion w/out combustion, so there are few losses. It's a climate engine. Since the liquid air balances with the hot steam (water droplets passed through a heater conduit) the system is temperature balanced and no need for any cooling system, plus the water cycle and the air cycle are both closed-loop cycles. So the engine does not have any exhaust whatsoever, thereby all the weight of an exhaust system goes by the wayside along with the heavy cooling system and antifreeze.

This is a completely EARTH NATURAL SYSTEM.

No needs for government exhaust regulations <> no exhaust.

No need for polluting chemicals from catalytic converters <> no exhaust.

I remember a natual circulation system where flow is establish through the different in temperature which cause a different in density. Then by setting the gravity loop right, it automatically flow. A climate system.

[CloudSeeder]

, it automatically flow. A climate system.

That's right, it did work, and that's exactly why my engine works also => #1 both are climate systems and #2 both use an outside energy source.

I appreciate your confirmation.

[Tonysam1]

proof

here are links to Dr. Stiffler's SEC 18 self running.

YouTube - Exercise in how an SR operates

YouTube - New Camera Looking at a Self Runner

@baroutologos

It seems to me as if you have just given up. You have basically said, well if a bedini motor doesn't produce ou, then nothing will. I, like yourself, started off with a bedini motor no more than 9 months ago. Assuming i would not find ou with it, i studied how it works and what bedini claims it does. It basically uses the Back emf, or bemf, from an oscillating coil to charge a battery, this should be evident to you by now. To make a long story short, the study of bemf is what I, and you, should be interested in. The so called "free energy" is propagated as bemf.

Dr. Stiffler's SEC utilizes the bemf to oscillate a secondary coil into "spacial resonance." This resonate action enables the doctor, as well as me and many other replicators, to send energy wirelessly, or through one wire, with an amazing amount of efficiency (COP>1).

If these videos do not entice you to experiment, prove to you that ou is actually possible, and that there is a real science behind it then give up. If you need more convincing then watch all of Dr. Stiffler's youtube videos (yoututbe = MRH2O2), Lidmotor's replications (yoututbe = Lidmotor), or introvertebrate's (yoututbe = introvertebrate) replications.

I have replicated these experiments and can proudly say that i have gone over-unity

Tony

[jibbguy]

Proof of OU?

Well here is something that is sadly outside of the Open Source arena, and likely to be beyond the ability of any of us to replicate ;(

But it is verified "OU" .... By Rowan University this last July. It is at least "COP>6" and probably higher.

BlackLight Power.. Good old Dr. Randy Mills lol... That we've been hearing about for years now. His is one of the technologies that Dr. Eugene Mallove championed (and essentially it was spun-off from the Correa's work).

Well, 2009 has been a great year for them, they got the Rowan U. verifications & Papers, and signed several deals; one with a power company to build a megawatt-range generator... But i would mention that when u look at this power company, "Akridge Energy", it does not appear to be a "real" State-sanctioned Electric Utility.

BlackLight's system creates what they call "Hydrinos" which are H atoms with the electron sent down into a lower orbit. This action creates energy, and so does it when they combine 2 hydrinos into a gas and then they break apart again later in the cycle. It uses "Raney Nickel", a solid catalyst composed of fine grains of a nickel-aluminum alloy that is very sponge-like, which is then doped with sodium hydroxide as the supplier for the "hydrinos".

BlackLight Power Inc.

Blacklight`s Free Energy Device Finally Verified by Rowan University | Free Energy

Akridge Energy Buys 400 MW Free Energy Generator from BlackLight Power | Energy news

The Rowan U. Papers can be seen at the BlackLight site.

[Tonysam1]

Well here is something that is sadly outside of the Open Source arena, and likely to be beyond the ability of any of us to replicate ;(

But it is verified "OU" .... By Rowan University this last July. It is at least "COP>6" and probably higher.

BlackLight Power.. Good old Dr. Randy Mills lol... That we've been hearing about for years now. His is one of the technologies that Dr. Eugene Mallove championed (and essentially it was spun-off from the Correa's work).

Well, 2009 has been a great year for them, they got the Rowan U. verifications & Papers, and signed several deals; one with a power company to build a megawatt-range generator... But i would mention that when u look at this power company, "Akridge Energy", it does not appear to be a "real" State-sanctioned Electric Utility.

BlackLight's system creates what they call "Hydrinos" which are H atoms with the electron sent down into a lower orbit. This action creates energy, and so does it when they combine 2 hydrinos into a gas and then they break apart again later in the cycle. It uses "Raney Nickel", a solid catalyst composed of fine grains of a nickel-aluminum alloy that is very sponge-like, which is then doped with sodium hydroxide as the supplier for the "hydrinos".

I saw an article in IEEE Spectrum about Blacklight. I haven't heard any updates on this in over a year. Kinda shady, but who knows maybe it will break out, or maybe another lost "over-unity" machine.

[baroutologos]

So we have a testimony here!

Cloudseeker reveals his inventions and claims OU. Cool..
I am not expert not even familiar with mechanical piston based engines so the nitrogen cooling stuff i cannot even comment. Neither i can reproduce any such mechanical system (engine based)

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But the electric setup of a solenoid accelerating the steel ball that falls upon an winded spindle that in turn moves a generator seems like... a BEMF recovery (in a cap) electric motor that instead of moving a rotor, accelarates steel balls?

Am i correct or not?


@TonySam,

Yes man. I am enticed to be involved in experiments with. What the heck.. Though i am gonna need guidance on this since apart from one plain Tesla coil (and noobish made), i am not experienced on HF, HV resonance.

Having OU as an end to the mind, where do i start regarding Dr Stiflle (tesla coil) experiments???


baroutologos

[morpher44]

where do i start regarding Dr Stiflle (tesla coil) experiments???
baroutologos

Dr. Stiffler stuff is in the thread
"High Voltage from Thin Air? ".

[CloudSeeder]

So we have a testimony here! Cloudseeker reveals his inventions ... But the electric setup of a solenoid accelerating the steel ball that falls upon an winded spindle that in turn moves a generator seems like... a BEMF recovery (in a cap) electric motor that instead of moving a rotor, accelarates steel balls? Am i correct or not?

Baroutologos thank God man somebody sees the light let it shine, shine, shine on thee! The power in the balls going out opposite each other exceeds the Speed of Light and presses the arms out, which act as Levers to turn the upper generator, a stiff cuss.

The upper generator so leveraged makes the power for the next solenoid firings but the balls are still in motion and coming back home! But before they can reach home plate they still have 1. speed 2. kinetic energy and 3. momentum. This is called The Law of Decaying Orbits.

Now listen close my new friend. The ball energy is exhausted and they come to a brief halt in front of the solenoids which means they take on another 100% Potential Energy. The balls are recharged per cycle because they "went to failure".

Since the system starts anew at each next firing this defeats negative Entropy accumulation like a continuously-running combustion engine. You got it now bro! You get my Gold Star for 2009.

[CloudSeeder]

Baroutologos!!! Millenial Dawn is a physical device, the physical equivalent to what you have all been writing about. It is the "physical expression" while your electronics is the "electronic expression" of BEMF.

It works both for electrical and physical. We're over the top man.

Completely over-the-top => http://www.energeticforum.com/70021-post433.html

[Tonysam1]

Suggested research for Baroutologos

@Baroutologos

I'm glad to see you are interested Dr. Stiffler has a thread on this forum called high voltage from thin air. His work is along the lines of Tesla's work ( but don't mention Tesla too him, he believes taht tesla has become a cult icon )

Anyway a really good start would be a joule thief, its a really simple circuit that you can learn a lot from. It, like Dr. Stiffler, utilizes bemf to light LEDs ( and a whole lot of them if you do it correctly) using barely any energy .

I suggest you watch:

YouTube - High Voltage Super Joule Thief Resonating 02 and

YouTube - Joule Thief Charger Recovers Dead Battery 04

Definitely take a look at the rest of dodoshlodo's videos on joule thieves also Lidmotor's joule thief videos.

Once you understand what is going on in a joule thief, it is time to step up to the SEC exciter by Dr. Stiffler. He uses the same principle, but in a much more efficient manner. He uses the bemf spikes to set a coil into spacial resonance. I strongly recommend you watch ALL of Dr. Stiffler's videos (MRH2O2) where he demonstrates the weirdness of the SEC. also check out his website, www.drstiffler.com, where he has posted schematics and many of his reports on the SEC. You can also purchase an SEC-18 from him, which i have done (trust me, its worth it).

Please watch and experiment and i guarantee you will be very very happy with what you find

Tony

p.s. - if you have any questions or problems please ask me because i have done a lot of experiments and probably have had the problems you are destine to have lol