The case against Over Unity

[baroutologos]

Thanks Tonysam. Know that i am OU interested, so if this is the path count me in!

I will begin as soon as possible to get so hands on experience on joule thief circuit

Baroutologos

[Tonysam1]

Thanks Tonysam. Know that i am OU interested, so if this is the path count me in!

I will begin as soon as possible to get so hands on experience on joule thief circuit

Baroutologos

Thats great to hear! The joule thief is a great start, keep an open mind and truely try to understand the physical phenomena behind these circuits (they challenge a lot of mainstream physics).

Also, i strongly suggest looking into an oscilloscope. If you are planning on starting serious experiments it is pretty much a necessity and will be your best friend when trying to find resonance and seeing how the transient bemf spikes propagate

And don't forget to watch Lidmotor's, Dr. Stiffler's (MRH2O2), and introvertebrate's videos on youtube, they were a huge help in my research!

Tony

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[Matthew Jones]

Hmmm . Its a funny thing that when it come to "put up or shut up" your tune changes so radically. What are you going to do when their schematics or devices don't work for you?

I guess we'll see....

[baroutologos]

My friend i am on continuing mission to find OU or whatever you can call it. As far as i have a guidance and results are possitive... cool. Why to complain about? I can contribute to the cause if i can also.

The contrary is quite frustrating not to mention suspicious event.

This thread is not about to close any soon, as long a standing third party replication (and forth) is made and tested.

Baroutologos

[morpher44]

Ohhh-You!

You can not assume that anything is over performing or overunity based on standard engineering. You can only make the conclusion that it can be done better. Even in the case of a self powering device.
What "Is possible" should be the standard for which energy consuming or producing devices are measured and rated.
Matt

I can assume as an engineer...making an ass out of U and ME.

I can assume over unity is possibly. Proving it is trickier since
we all have to agree on what we are measuring and the methodology, etc.
Getting groups of people to agree is the tricky part.

Nothing can be "self powering". The power comes from some other place
per thermodynamics and electrodynamics, etc.
But, there are yet untapped places to pull power from.

Imagine that you could disintegrate matter in a very slow
way ... and convert it to energy per E=MC^2.
If all you need is some catalyst to get that going, and that
catalyst is a low cost .. the energy return can be great. ....
lots of useless matter to convert (plastic for one).
Yes you can burn it ... causes pollution though..
Hydrogen is so perfect to burn....tricky to collect.

So yes its all about doing it better ... its all about cost/economics.
Refinement. Physics. Engineering.

What "is possible" is almost everything you can imagine.
T.N.Y.C.D.T.C.B.D.

[CloudSeeder]

Wow. The assumption word is overpowering. Now if we just had a catalyst, a woman, a redhead, a golden calf!

[Matthew Jones]

I can assume as an engineer...making an ass out of U and ME.

My point was that if it is possible then that is the standard at which it should be measured, not the flawed engineering standard. There for nothing is Overunity, it only grows to a greater efficiency. Just to except standard engineering as its used today seems almost ignorant in itself.... Sorry if that hurts...

My friend i am on continuing mission to find OU or whatever you can call it. As far as i have a guidance and results are positive... cool.

Again I have to state my point with you, (As much you like to avoid the subject).
If you are not capable of the patience and time and effort to build a simple monopole, enough times to make it work, what do you think you are going to do with any body else's stuff?
Do you have it in your head that it gets any easier?

You have to admit, baroutologos, you just wasted 4 pages of space in this forum bashing Bedini for his efforts. Bashing most of us as far as I am concerned. And then all of a sudden its OK. Because you found a better instructor.

Why don't you admit it. You didn't seek the good guidance (IE joining a monopole group). You didn't make a valid effort. And worst of all for your laziness you blame others.

Your a real attribute, I'll give you that. I am not asking for an apology, I would hope at you would give that....

Matt

[baroutologos]

i am tired at replying to you Mat.

I have build a monopole per specs as well other SSG based machines. Results as i have stated muriad times were similar and not OU manifested even if all precautions were made. (tuning, C20 rates, 20 times conditoning etc etc)

.....
Suddenly its not ok. I have been offered a path for obtaining OU instead of playing with Bedini's toys that certainly are not OU. (either SSG or Kromrey or FEG)

Unless you have any clues to the contrary, i re-re-repeat present your device (with spes for third party replication) and prove me how great noob flamer i am.
Till then, you can be quiet.

Baroutologos

[Matthew Jones]

Yep thats how figured it would be. Your type always throw those excuses out there, but still no evidence of the endeavor.

And NO I won't be quiet. But I won't waste anymore time with you.

Matt

PS My devices are at the Yahoo Group.

[Mark]

Matt

Baroutologos has built many SSG and a FEG, look on the Bedini Free Energy Generation Machine thead or Bedini's Kromrey Converter thread and you can see some of his projects.

Matt have you built and SSG that is a self runner? Or one that you can run with say 3 batteries total and continue operating and the 3 batteries never eventually loose charge? I dont think so.

If this thread is so insulting to you then why do you even view it? NO ONE HAS YET TO POST ANYTHING ON THIS SIGHT THAT IS OVER UNITY PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[Sephiroth]

Matt

Baroutologos has built many SSG and a FEG, look on the Bedini Free Energy Generation Machine thead or Bedini's Kromrey Converter thread and you can see some of his projects.

Matt have you built and SSG that is a self runner? Or one that you can run with say 3 batteries total and continue operating and the 3 batteries never eventually loose charge? I dont think so.

If this thread is so insulting to you then why do you even view it?

Baroutologos didn't build an FEG... he built something that looks like one. As for his SSGs, only one that I know of was built to spec and I seriously doubt he conditioned his batteries correctly, if at all.

NO ONE HAS YET TO POST ANYTHING ON THIS SIGHT THAT IS OVER UNITY PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Matt has posted many times about his tesla switch, and I've posted twice in this thread about my own experience.

[Mark]

But are they self running? Very effecient yes. Dr, Stiffler is the only one that I believe really has something that can be replicated with the info that has been provided.

[Sephiroth]

But are they self running? Very effecient yes. Dr, Stiffler is the only one that I believe really has something that can be replicated with the info that has been provided.

and I wish DrStiffler the best of luck in handling Baratoulogos' interpretation of his invention

[baroutologos]

@ Sephiroth,

I am a fond of you man, and your experiments are quite interesting. By the way, you somehow, misunderstand me and think that i am little sloppy and negative person about... anything?.

1st
In terms of SSG, I have conditioned a lot my batts and keeping an .xls file record in efficiency terms. Actually i take notes on everything. No OU there. Not even close to my design. i have gone as far as 50% eff. You claimed 70% with the most sophisticated SSG made (since you are quite longer time about the SSG issue.)
By the way, you either are nowhere close to OU.

2nd
Yes, as i have been extensively pointed out, my FEG like replication was about to inquire the very basic principles that FEG should have to work. That failed to show anything promising. Numerous topologies used including Bedini's suggested.

3rd
Dr stiffler has very clear arguments and claims about his experiments. He clearly says that a wireless SEC when tuned and emmiting, can support one or more receiving passive SECs without increased power input.

Have I misunderstood that? How can i? WTF did not understand well? That was plain and clear what he said. And towards this direction i am gonna head. I do not expect my SEC replicas to work from scratch, but with Doctor's suggestions and fellow experimenter's support i can make it.

Final word,
I mean no bad or anything. I have no personal disputes with anyone here. Last and not least i'd rather being the black sheep and question everything than accepting vague elusive ideas floating around.

Anyway...

Baroutologos