The case against Over Unity

[CloudSeeder]

@Jbignes5: Yes, Sir Dyson has done a great thing, but he hasn't done anything a plumber didn't know when they started using pipe. His system is just using the venturi magnification. He has made a "new use" of existing information, not some awesome bow on your knees knaves new technology. hahaha <> What he has done (and what I have done also) is recognize the self-feeding that comes from using circular engines or circular engine combinations of systems. In short, cyclical is also cannibal.
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[nvisser]

Found this today

Floyd Sweets quote:

"The summation of the losses due to resistance, impedance, friction, magnetic hysteresis
and eddy currents and windage losses of rotating machinery will always reduce overall efficiency
below unity for a closed system. "

[CloudSeeder]

A good find nvisser! Myself, I started spontaneously just having ideas. I have never used the term "over unity" towards any inventions as each had occasion to occur to me, nor have I ever called them "free energy" or "perpetual motion". The only thing I have claimed is a belief in perpetual power that in a few natural circumstances can cause therefore a resulting perpetual motion but it only lasts as long as the switch is turned on, which negates the definition of perp. I wrote this about 5 years ago, my 1-2-3 understanding =>



I have only recently given in to using the over unity phrase because others here use it, but I don't like it. I do so for breaching the divide. If I was to start using it a lot people might say ah ha, he's another miracle chaser, which I am not and never have been. However, in the few instances I have come face to face with miracles I do not hold back from saying they are.

Your quote from Floyd Sweets is taken out of context. I do not allow such cup-always-empty statements to hammer me. His quote presents all the negatives quite well, so the job at hand is to either find ways to negate them but the best choice is to find ways to obtain something from them that contributes back into the equation.

As a for instance my enginewow.htm system. When the steam is almost instantly condensed by cold air you have some very cold water runoff. To circulate that back up to be re-steamed again would take right much electricity. However, the other side of the system, the air, is being re-compressed and compressors get very hot. But if the cold water coming from the engine cylinders is routed through water jackets surrounding the compressors you have cooled your compressors PLUS pre-warmed the water for being re-steamed, resulting in two positives from what appears at first to be a negative drain on the system.

It's all in the equation. Write the equation properly and you have achieved double positive sometimes, which people would call over unity, but like I said, I've never "tried" to create over unity and I hate the term and hate even writing it. But the thing is nvisser, that if you can find a few of these big plusses in a system, like enginewow, the total system can overpower those few remaining negatives of Floyd Sweets.

You design a system that uses resistance, uses impedance, either uses cancels out or otherwise avoids friction, uses magnetic hysteresis where a brake is needed perhaps, and as you do so you develop the impossible, whether it's "over unity" or not.

Perpetual power looks a lot like perp <> it isn't. Enginewow looks like perp but it uses gravity in the inertial forces generated by a moving vehicle to leverage-compress (re-compress) the air <> using gravity power effects is using an "outside force" which means it is not perp. Many of my own systems achieve power gains from leverage. Enginewow and Millenial Dawn both do it.

Millenial Dawn even negates the negative accumulation known as entropy. Every cycle it comes to a complete halt, and by the laws of Physics when kinetic stops the system gains another reload of potential energy. hehehehe whereas on the other engines that never come to a stop suffer mightily from entropy, and accumulation of heat from friction.

The Pantone GEET engine does my tricks by using the heat. Engine processes are like a cattle stampede. You have to set up barriers to direct the energies even the negative ones so that they all synergize together and feed into the overall system. All systems have negatives but if some of them on the outer subsets periphery are losing, who cares? As long as they do something positive toward the main set (system). It's all about overlapping sets and subsets, except instead of numbers we're dealing with energies.

It only works in circular systems because circular always comes back to where it started... which in reality means there is no start. Every point on the wheel is a starting point. Like a solar system's planetary orbits for example, the Moons around them, even perhaps in atomic scale also.

To make "perpetual power" I found it helpful to know about what is called a repeating loop, which occurs in an incorrectly written subroutine. My circular engines are all flawed repeating loops.

Yet still not Perp because they can be stopped and re-started. hahaha Anyway, the objective then is the same with magnetics or electricity. You need to stop thinking control the damn thing and aim for flawing it so it keeps going through the motions. I've done this a number of times so I know it can be duplicated across the other platforms, unless you keep repeating Floyd Sweets in your sleep. Then you're screwed.

[nvisser]

Cloudseeder
My apologies.
That was not directed at you. I was thinking more of the Bedini free energy generator and other electrical close loops that we try to build.

[CloudSeeder]

No apology necessary nvisser. I don't know anything about Floyd Sweets so you broadened my knowledge. I appreciate you doing that. He specified his comments as regarding "rotating machinery" and also "a closed system". Since I don't know when the man lived he could've been talking about Eli Whitney, and I have no idea how he defines a closed system. My "systems" are more a combination of mini systems so his comments were not necessarily taking me into consideration, as in all-encompassing including my systems.

Maybe he's at odds with me & maybe he isn't. I just wanted to add some pancakes on the pile. Now I'm sitting back and waiting to see who brings the syrup. Or even another pancake. (Actually I'm not sitting today. I'm working on my gravity wheel to release it asap, and making very good progress.)

[nvisser]

You should go read about Floyd sweets VTA. Very interesting
Floyd Sweet
The most amazing aspect of Sweet's device was that it put out so much more power than it took in. How much more? In a 1988 model, Sweet found that 330 microwatts 330 one-millionths of a watt of input power made it possible for the VTA's wire coils to put out more than 500 watts of usable energy, or about one and a half million times the input power.

[CloudSeeder]

Thank you very much! It does look very interesting, just as you said. After only a few paragraphs it says he saw something good in transformer malfunction that everyone else saw as a flaw. In a sense, my inventing and writing picks up on where the lives of some these many scientists ended. When I found Dr. Abraham Hertzberg's 1997 nitrogen-powered prototype (in 2003) I didn't find out til later he died just a few months before I saw how to make his engine work better.

I must be the cleanup boy, or water boy. I don't have any of those fellows schooling or credentials but, I came to the table with other gifts. I am lacking what they had and it gives me a "cross platform" capability. I combine anything that works, synergizes. And of course I have a vastly-improved Internet to work with.

I'm a slow reader so I'll have to tackle on that later. Thank you for your kindness! I am not schooled or qualified to be top dog on anybody's blog. I just toss my frisbees into the air and maybe somebody grabs one that helps them go further. I think everybody on the Forum knows much more than I do. When I was about 13 I came across a multi-subject college book my Dad's and that summer I read about Physics, Calculus, Anatomy, but I don't recall finding electricity. I went to ECPI a short while in 1987 so that's where I picked up what I had missed.

I am quite literally not qualified to be here. I anger some people.
I don't know the lingo so I sometimes have to invent new terms.

[CloudSeeder]

@nvisser: I had several concussions early in life, one a fly from a moving car as it rounded a curve & I landed on the back of my head, so I had PTSD flashbacks and a steady hum in my head til I was 22. I would start projects I never completed because the impacts had made my bipolar gene "go active". No one considers me a player. The actual odds of me completing a gravity wheel are very slim, as slim or slimmer as Moses parting the Red Sea.... or there having been an actual earth wide deluge "Flood".

Throw in that my thyroid never worked right heh heh heh and you know why I couldn't go to college <> didn't have enough energy. Mostly I've had to deal with extremely low body temperature and bouts of hypothermia. Even now it gets some worse so I have to keep the apt temperature above 77 or I start to aching everywhere as my blood circulation begins slogging down.

I'm not expected to accomplish anything further in life because so far I haven't accomplished anything anyway. All I have is a few ideas and no money because I never made any above food money. If my writing a lot looks like I have an overactive ego well, that's unfortunate because I don't much have one of those either. I can't point back to all my schooling or degrees, can't point back to all my accomplishments or great achievements.

Point of fact, I'm probably close to being the biggest nothing on earth. If someone was to actually shoot at me the bullet would start crying for being wasted, get angry and turn around at whoever the dummy was who pulled the trigger.

But I think those people who have opposed all these ideas of free energy are accepting that sooner or later people would figure stuff out, and I kinda think when they see someone as uneducated as I am even figuring it out they surely know resistance is futile. So I think we all have an open road now and should not expect any more threats for our work.

However, I also think they work real hard to keep us from ever having the money to build any of them.... so they really don't need bullets anyway. They just stick together as a tight group controlling the money and we all continue to fail. They know each of us has our own pet projects so the likelihood of anything coming from any of us is infinitesimally minute.

We totally lack cohesion required. The movies add ridicule. Yep, we're finished and plastered to the wall, from the most highly educated of us down to me. All we lack for is a proper eulogy. The longer we flail away at our quicksand the funnier we look. Even our demise looks funny. We come off looking funnier than the motorcyclists riding through asphalt and having their heads shaved and wearing wigs.

I'm used to all that but for those others on here being highly educated and then to suffer the indignity of being lumped together with the likes of me, failure man, for them it must be the lowest pit they've ever found themselves in. Someone like me coming from the bottom of the pit and standing beside them, whew, that's gotta be rough.

[CloudSeeder]

You should go read about Floyd sweets VTA. Very interesting
Floyd Sweet
The most amazing aspect of Sweet's device was that it put out so much more power than it took in. How much more? In a 1988 model, Sweet found that 330 microwatts 330 one-millionths of a watt of input power made it possible for the VTA's wire coils to put out more than 500 watts of usable energy, or about one and a half million times the input power.

Someone should investigate that... because if it's true then Japan's planned system out in Space could possibly power the entire planet => Japan to Spend $21,000,000,000 on a Power Plant in F%#king Space - Power plant in space - Gizmodo. Some months ago I proposed a method for exploding liquid metal onto the Moon to form an interconnected metal mesh antenna for receiving solar energy to be beamed to Earth. No one seems to hear me. I lack the fantastic graphics. I only throw frisbees => Real Time Right Now Energy no Big Batteries Needed PDF List for 2008 Warnings for End Times Watchers and No More Fuel Pumps Ever Poverty of Third World Poor Ending Circular Energy Sources Renew Themselves Repeating Engine Loop Design of CloudSeeder Riley +download e-mail message for the Hopi elders "engine that breathes and uses water like the trees" => http://www.newpath4.com/Engines_that..._Trees_eml.zip and sitemap: Footrace to Peace from God's Kingdom World Health Zero Emissions No Exhaust Non-Polluting Energy Sources Helping Those Less Fortunate and pdf => http://www.newpath4.com/theearthstoo...eprecipice.pdf <> all reading, no pictures and no women, so hmm, scant vistors! hahaha Imagine that. No scantily just scant. This concludes this week's shameless plug of my website.

[CloudSeeder]

Magnetism is always raining but it's invisible rain:

@nvisser: Sunlight shines above a tree and a shadow hits the ground. If a universal magnetism exists then let's say it is like the sunlight, with the exception one is visible the other not. So magnetism's shadow would be there but we wouldn't see it, so we wouldn't need a physical tree-equivalent. Being invisible is the tree-equivalent. Being invisible to us is the blocking agent.

Mr. Sweet "saw" the invisible by knowing it was there. Seems to me he set up a step up transformer and fired up the lesser side... and the pressure of the everywhere magnetism pushed itself into the other side to make the equation work. In other words, he built part of a machine that left a place for the magnetic pressure to fill in & complete, which it felt obliged to do. This is not unlike the way trinomial equations are solved when missing three variables. He plugged in a variable or two and magnetism plugged in the remaining variable which just happened to be extremely large.

Kind of like how we would set a dish outside so it would be there to get filled when it rains <> except magnetism is always raining.

Have fun with that!

It reminds me of how when a switch is thrown to a device say a washing machine, and electricity in the circuit box "senses" a hole that needs it and fills it, rushing past the thrown [closed] switch to reach the washing machine motor. Sweet figured out that magnetism would do the same thing, just without wires. Computer virus companies do something akin to this when they set up a "honey pot" (a completely unprotected computer system) to draw every new virus and trap it. I would say that Floyd Sweet set up a honey pot to attract magnetism. heh heh heh heh Damn smart man if that's what he did => he set a trap for magnetism.
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[Aromaz]

OVERUNITY and RADIANT electricity proven

Why we are all struggling along here;
1) the fact of RADIANT electricity has already been proven in the previous century - beyond doubt.
2) Also in that same millennia the pure fact of OVERUNITY was proven beyond any doubt. More electricity out from wires than was originally supplied - and that not on small Bedini scale!

Imagine a power generating plant having an output of 64,000 Mega Watt of electricity on a specific day, all along the lines they have transformers that are able to handle 120,000 MW. Suddenly their power in the lines start rising - above and over the 120,000 MW and these transformers blew up.

How can we on Earth be affected by space radiation?

How about magnetic storms on earth?
New Discoveries Show Electricity Governs Our Lives

What the heck, we are seeking the right answer with the wrong tools at the wrong place.

All joking back to the box: Do this following for a nice video of RADIANT energy!

Go to: Search and Download SOHO Near Realtime Data

Search for: Near Real Time
Set your resolution to 1024 (512 is OK if you have slow connection)
In the left IMAGE TYPE: Select LASCO C3
At display click on Movie
Start and End dates - type in:
2003-10-25 and 2003-10-30

Leave last n images open.

Click on Search

- sit back and enjoy the solar flare of 2003 that cause quite a bit of havoc.

[CloudSeeder]

We're dealing with two different animals. #1 is earth-generated that primarily pushes electric down a wire (voltage) and #2 a natural space energy perhaps of a universe level that is doing more than mere voltage. It's probably working on both sides, both pushing and pulling itself through our devices. Our puny little systems are like nothing to such a power <> they represent no resistance at all <> therefore the tiny amperage.

[CloudSeeder]

Floyd Sweet and the Noise of Machines (our universe)

Every machine we make generates noise of some kind. Noise is energy. If we accept that this universe is one big machine, which apparently Floyd Sweet did do, then his conclusion of an invisible noise energy just makes more sense. Mr. Sweet must have concluded that we are living inside one giant clock-like mechanism that is screaming out a noise we are unable to hear (thank goodness).

It's actually a very simple concept, one that Mr. Tesla was also tapping into. Well, if Sweet could do it, and Tesla could do it, working apart from each other, exactly why aren't we using it now? Tesla shook a skyscraper and an entire city block while Sweet almost had his home vaporized. Have we just gone completely blind or what?

[eternalightwithin]

... while Sweet almost had his home vaporized. Have we just gone completely blind or what?

Wha! I didn't here that. Tell me about it or send a link?

David P.

[Aromaz]

Every machine we make generates noise of some kind. Noise is energy. If we accept that this universe is one big machine, which apparently Floyd Sweet did do, then his conclusion of an invisible noise energy just makes more sense. Mr. Sweet must have concluded that we are living inside one giant clock-like mechanism that is screaming out a noise we are unable to hear (thank goodness).

It's actually a very simple concept, one that Mr. Tesla was also tapping into. Well, if Sweet could do it, and Tesla could do it, working apart from each other, exactly why aren't we using it now? Tesla shook a skyscraper and an entire city block while Sweet almost had his home vaporized. Have we just gone completely blind or what?

In both cases it was a matter of resonance. Tesla with his 'vibrator' Floyd with resonating magnets.