The case against Over Unity

[CloudSeeder]

Magnetic fields are spongy because they aren't confined inside a wire.

@eternalightwithin: Rats, I read it somewhere now I can't find it. I thought it was on this page => Floyd Sweet. <> No, he didn't vaporize his house with his wife in it. It just said she was ill in the bedroom laying down when he turned his vacuum triode amplifier on and a brilliant light flashed so bright she could see it. And she said to him "What have you blown up now?" Everybody including his employers got used to things blowing up it seems but they knew he was a genius so it was OK.

@Aromaz: "a matter of resonance. Tesla with his 'vibrator' Floyd with resonating magnets." Yeah, well, one man made it happen and the other made a receiver to obtain it from somewhere else, which just makes us all look doubly ignorant that we don't have it. We shouldn't be watching Lost in Space in theatres, we should be out there already lost in space for ourselves riding around in our automobiles powered by this everywhere energy, and having the time of our lives instead of being all jammed together like sheep.

I liked reading about Floyd, and listening to his voice in the 1987 video. It seems that what he did must have been rather simple. A magnet is surrounded by its magnetic field and is right stable, so he pushed on it undoubtedly with a like pole. He pushed it and then dropped the current, collapsing his field quick, which the magnet's field then sprang back, except it must have over-corrected and come back a little extra, and then bounced again. Jesus, I'm not the man to fix this but it doesn't seem anything near being rocket science. Magnetic fields are spongy because they aren't confined inside a wire. How difficult a concept can this be to recreate?!

[CloudSeeder]

Were they geniuses or just exceptionally practical thinkers that everybody called gen

I'm a newcomer. Sometimes that gives me an advantage; many times a disadvantage too. I'm not Bill Nye the Science Guy either and don't imagine I ever could be. But if you have one magnet sitting stationary and had another magnet on a wheel, and set that wheel to spinning at 60 revs so that it passed through into & out of the stationary secured magnets magnetic field, wouldn't that produce a regular oscillation? So then he put a coil there somewhere, maybe it was big or maybe it was small, but he had it lined up so that the field bouncing back & forth was inducing a current, right? I don't know this stuff like I would like but if I knew it like my teacher Bob Steinmetz at ECPI I'd knock this thing in the chops and keep on gettin' up.

These two men, Sweet and Tesla, were they "geniuses" or were they just exceptionally practical thinkers that everybody calls a genius? If we call them geniuses it makes their achievements seem unreachably high, out of the reach of us ordinary mortals. I think they were exceedingly practical & focused because they lived in a different time, and while their achievements were great they are reproduceable and extremely within our reach.

[CloudSeeder]

I don't mean to be critical of anybody. I just know there's more than a few guys around who sleep, eat & breathe this stuff and it shouldn't be an unknown. I already exposed the nation's power companies for pumping extra voltage into my mobilehome and apartment for the past ten dang gum YEARS to keep us so wound up tight struggling to pay THEM nobody could take the time to figure these issues out => APCO Windfall from Trickle Current Excess Profits Extortion Fleecing of America Decades of Property Theft causing Virginia Grease Fire Deaths <> I've already put em into a tailspin so somebody should take advantage of this edge and go ahead and do the remainder of the deed. It's time for a Prison Break while the guards are shaken and the beast is temporarily stunned. And quite frankly I'm more than little ticked off because by my calculations on that page the APCO Virginia power company owes me over $3,000, and I called them today to discuss payment arrangements on my bill and yet once again got talked to like I was dirt. I know I leave a bit to be desired but I'm not dirt yet, and they owe me $3,000 not a bunch of lip. I want these people off my back. I don't want to have to ever call people on the phone already knowing how they're going to talk to me, like I'm a cow pile in their pasture. But they have part of it right. We are all surrounded by a barbed wire fence. I see that fence coming down. If no one here knows how to bounce a magnet then that's the way it has to be, but I'm working on gravity wheels staring at imminent success. One way or another I'm going to get my power from a natural source and these people are going to be permanently out of my vocabulary.

[Aromaz]

@CloudSeeder;72598...if you have one magnet sitting stationary and had another magnet on a wheel, and set that wheel to spinning at 60 revs so that it passed through into & out of the stationary secured magnets magnetic field, wouldn't that produce a regular oscillation? ...

what you are saying is true but eventually the same force of similar and oposites that push/pull will reach an balance point. Floyd had one single magnet occilating all on its own.

I think they were exceedingly practical & focused because they lived in a different time, and while their achievements were great they are reproduceable and extremely within our reach.

I agree - it is simplicity compared to our modern day's complicated technology. Problem we have today is that we are so conditioned to our resistors and transistors. We have to get away from the electronics!

All that we can learn from 'electronic' has already been learned. We have to get understanding that which is not in the current science! Get back to the foundation and start looking at Radiant and Aether and Sea of energy ...

[CloudSeeder]

Those are good words, Aromaz. I feel rather good about the situation because now I know so much more than ever before and, what I've learned tells me the end of the rainbow pot of gold does exist. I can't be unhappy about that. When I finish the gravity wheels to my satisfaction if no one has solved this by then it will make it onto my To Do list. I noticed in my reading that Mr. Sweet got a degree from M.I.T. when he was 57 I think. That's also encouraging. I'm approaching 58 myself.

With gravity there is no bounce so you have to design in some way to create the bounce. It's good training for tackling the Sweet/Tesla stuff. I sure have appreciated your comments.

[Aromaz]

With gravity there is no bounce so you have to design in some way to create the bounce. It's good training for tackling the Sweet/Tesla stuff. I sure have appreciated your comments.

Now this is getting severely interesting. What is gravity? Before you will be able to use gravity for any purpose as to energy; you will first need to understand how it works. And that has been a mystery since humans started doing science - and it still is today.

I had a theory; then it made more sence then I searched if was really so out of line and I was in fact very surprised to find this tehory already existed more thasn 300 years ago! But mainstream scinece ignored it.

Consider this, and seach for more in this line:
+Gravity+cosmic+graviton+push
In particular you can read the works of "Le Sage"

Gravity is NOT a pull effect - it is a PUSH effect from normal cosmic particles.
In other words Gravity / Gravitons = Cosmic rays = Radiant Energy

[Inquorate]

I second that.

Now this is getting severely interesting. What is gravity? Before you will be able to use gravity for any purpose as to energy; you will first need to understand how it works. And that has been a mystery since humans started doing science - and it still is today.

I had a theory; then it made more sence then I searched if was really so out of line and I was in fact very surprised to find this tehory already existed more thasn 300 years ago! But mainstream scinece ignored it.

Consider this, and seach for more in this line:
+Gravity+cosmic+graviton+push
In particular you can read the works of "Le Sage"

Gravity is NOT a pull effect - it is a PUSH effect from normal cosmic particles.
In other words Gravity / Gravitons = Cosmic rays = Radiant Energy

Well supported by this experiment

YouTube - Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. English version

[Shamus]

After watching the Nassim Haramein video (all 8 hours of it) I found this on John Hutchison's web site:

hutchisoneffect.ca

Now if that isn't an OU device, I don't know what is.

[CloudSeeder]

Now this is getting severely interesting. What is gravity? Before you will be able to use gravity for any purpose as to energy; you will first need to understand how it works. And that has been a mystery since humans started doing science - and it still is today.

I had a theory; then it made more sence then I searched if was really so out of line and I was in fact very surprised to find this tehory already existed more thasn 300 years ago! But mainstream science ignored it.

Consider this, and seach for more in this line:
+Gravity+cosmic+graviton+push
In particular you can read the works of "Le Sage"

Gravity is NOT a pull effect - it is a PUSH effect from normal cosmic particles.
In other words Gravity / Gravitons = Cosmic rays = Radiant Energy

The weight of the universe presses down on each physical body in the universe <> equally but also according to the recipient planet or moon's Mass <> was my understanding. However, for the purpose of making a Gravity Wheel spin it isn't really germain whether gravity is pulling, pushing or both. You just put a trigger here, a ramp or cam there, and you have a leveraged increase of power-on-the-fly to spin a generator gear off the high-torque axle (hub).

It's a spinning (ever-changing) pieces & forces jigsaw puzzle <> piece a cake.

[CloudSeeder]

"piece a cake"?
... Gravity's an outside force = gravity wheels are not perpetual motion.
... but they are an example of perpetual power like Floyd Sweet found.
... perpetual power meaning you can add switches to turn it on or off.

[CloudSeeder]

Switches, backed up by circuits, even sometimes a Triode Vacuum Amplifier... Gravity won't produce a fraction of what Sweet found but it's fun to work with anyway. If you build a device that does one of em you've proved both of em <> Floyd already built one of those, and so has Robert Kostoff albeit using centrifugal force heavily (still Gravity).

The question is no longer IF but HOW.
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[CloudSeeder]

Now this is getting severely interesting. <> Gravity is NOT a pull effect - it is a PUSH effect from normal cosmic particles. In other words Gravity / Gravitons = Cosmic rays = Radiant Energy

Hold on just a sec there Aromaz! You are coming dangerously close to saying we are being held down by the push of sunlight. I'm sure you don't mean that but the General Public gets whiff of a statement that even remotely sounds like that we won't be able to show our face.

What I'm thinking is that all the Matter in the Universe (and us, and Earth) is all one big homogenized "liquid", and the dry liquid of our universe has a pressure against all the stuff in the [dry] liquid. Like repels Like, so since #1 most large bodies has its own gravitational field and #2 all the gravitational fields likely have the same charge, it's the #3 combination of ALL OF THEM against the ONE OF US. The total of their REPEL is pushing against us, and yet still from gravity fields, a Constant all the time from all sides.

It's an illusion put upon us that we're being pulled down. Hmm, perhaps all that repel force is adding to our gravitational field's effect. Our field would be magnified by the rest. Maybe that's how it works. But somebody else will have to write it better... as in a proper equation.
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[Matthew Jones]

@CLOUDSEEDER
I think you make it to complex. Gravity is simple magnetism. Everything is subject to magnetism on some level. The earth's magnetic field has energy to attract just about anything. You wanna beat it do it in a Asymmetrical fashion, or find an opposite energy that creates a null field in the magnetic structure of the material that contains the energy. Thats what Floyds Sweet did.
Simple is easier to accommodate.

Matt

[Tehnoman]

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Gravity is simple magnetism.
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Be careful there. If gravity is caused by or is simple magnetism, how can planets in our solar system without magnetic field (like Venus, for example) show gravitational interaction with Sun?

Gravitational interaction - orbital motion around Sun.

[CloudSeeder]

Be careful there. If gravity is caused by or is simple magnetism, how can planets in our solar system without magnetic field (like Venus, for example) show gravitational interaction with Sun?

Gravitational interaction - orbital motion around Sun.

Thanks Tehnoman of Latvia. I thought I was as simple as anybody (Matt) but Floyd Sweet found some energies bigger than planets, big enough to control the planets against their individual wills. Thus we see a universal pattern in solar systems everywhere, in every galaxy controlling rocks and gas giants alike.

Those people who aren't simple like me, I trust they will figure it all out.