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  • Gazzasore
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    Ok sounds good

    So mine will be 3 Baskets with Capacitors inside and a Large Ring Magnet underneath

    Now the magnet should be what way up??

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  • morpher44
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    no worries - tin foil

    Originally posted by Gazzasore View Post
    Just thought I would put this link up on Aluminium foil
    I didn't know what year it was invented and or "Tin Foil" replaced with Aluminium foil
    Aluminium foil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I think there are no worries here re: Hendershot's MKIII.
    In that device he didn't use household foil of any sort.
    Rather, he cracked open an AC cap and harvested the foil from it,
    removing the oil. Hence, the foil he was using was
    the same material you would find in a cap.

    But ... realize that other materials might work too since we
    are after "diamagnetism".

    I messed around with coils a bit and wanted to understand what occurs
    if you wrap wire around diamagnetic material instead of ferromagnetic
    material. There didn't seem to be very much written about this
    since most people are making coils for electronics and want
    ferro material or "air" or another exotic material that gives good
    magnetism.

    Electricians learn to be real careful NOT to wrap cabling around
    copper pipes in a home, because this can be very dangerous.
    A voltage can be induced in the plumbing and someone taking a bath
    might get zapped.

    The equations for coils and solenoids want you to give the
    value of the permeability. So diamagnetic materials probably
    have a permeability constant too ... but we also have
    this interesting Lenz Law phenomenon.

    For energy harvesting, coils NEAR diamagnetic material might
    make sense ... especially if you can minimize the effects
    of a DRAG on the prime mover or reduce attenuation.

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  • Gazzasore
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    Also Eddy Currents and Lenz's Law


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6NSh7hr7Q

    Magnetic Field of a Coil of Wire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZHqfIBkUI

    Gaz

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  • Gazzasore
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    Aluminium foil

    Just thought I would put this link up on Aluminium foil
    I didn't know what year it was invented and or "Tin Foil" replaced with Aluminium foil

    Aluminium foil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by Gazzasore; 02-03-2013, 04:23 AM.

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  • morpher44
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    Vortex to "Cheat" Lenz's Law

    Here is a theory that makes perfect sense to me and I would love for you
    guys to "critique" this theory and tell me if I'm all wet.

    Wikipedia: "Lenz's law states that the current induced in a circuit due to a
    change in the magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux
    or to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion."

    This is why we have "heat" in our machines. This is why our motors
    and generators don't do very well. This is why harnessing subtle
    energy is difficult.

    Yet, it seems to me that geometry can solve this "drag" in the following
    way.

    We want a tank circuit, but done differently. Thinking about this on the
    "micro-scale" first, w/o worrying about the actual shape yet...

    The coil should have TWO axises for the flux interplay. One axis is the
    current flow, back and forth if AC. The right-hand-rule would have
    the magnet fields forming around the wires in a circle -- as taught
    in physics 101. First spinning CW, then CCW as the oscillation occurs.
    The other axis that can be created if the wires CROSS each other --
    such as basket weave or honeycomb, or some other coil winding
    style. The "diamond", or "honeycomb hexagon" shape that is created
    in the pattern of the coil can set up an eddy current area for a
    magnetic vortex to form. This vortex would be perpendicular
    to going into or out of the coil form.
    If a nearby capacitor was either INSIDE or OUTSIDE the coil form
    but within a decent proximity of this eddy current area, the
    eddy current, which is a SPINNING field, can interface with the
    capacitor surface at a fine point (the apex of the vortex).
    Think of this as similar to shining a magnifying glass down onto a DOT
    on the ground to burn leaves.
    It may be possible to "cheat" Lenz's law in this situation because
    the vortex "feels" no drag. The eddy current is perfectly happy
    spinning as before and a GATE can be opened for energy transfer
    to and from the coil and capacitor with minimal resistance.
    In fact you need not connect any wires between these devices because
    they are coupling "wire-less" thru the vortex shaped magnetic field.

    This is the argument I'm trying to make for Hendershot's
    "Resonator" ... and complex basket weave coil. The two may
    not drag on each other simply because of this style of winding.

    Another thought. Hendershot's hand made capacitor has three
    delicate foil plates (2 with tabs and half-lengh, and one full length)
    and also has a STRONG, THICKER aluminum plate around that one,
    and then the former itself, which also might be aluminum.
    I BET the THICKER aluminum plate is to be the outer-most surface
    that the coil sees such that if any ARCing were to happen, it would
    hit this material and not damage it, rather than the delicate foil
    that Hendershot said used to get damaged until he solved the problem.
    Does this make sense?
    If yes, it would imply that there are HOT SPOTs that can occur
    between coil and capacitor. By going basket weave instead of
    honeycomb, the vortex eddy current area now are oriented
    "parallel" to the surface of the capacitor, an may NOT create
    the focused APEX beam on to the surface, preventing arcing,
    and may also interface with the capacitor only on the side of the
    vortex -- an even gentler way to "cheat" Lenz's law.
    Last edited by morpher44; 02-03-2013, 03:10 AM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Gazzasore
    Hey these Ring Magnets like this
    This is what i've done to Magnetize my water
    Check out my Vid

    Easy Magnetized Structured Water System.avi - YouTube

    if you prefer the other way magnetizing your water ...... interestingly also included as a part of the Tesla Turbine :

    I 'd like to bring your attention to the principle used in the Valvular tube ..... Nikola Tesla: Disk Turbine / Pump (Articles, patents, links)



    some parts need to be replaced by magnets ...... try to guess which




    Furthermore, the conduits heretofore constructed were intended to be used in connection with slowly reciprocating machines, in which case enormous conduit-length would be necessary, all this rendering them devoid of practical value. By the use of an effective Valvular conduit, as herein described, and the employment of pulses of very high frequency, I am able to condense my apparatus and secure such perfect action as to dispense successfully with valves in numerous forms of reciprocating and rotary engines.

    The high efficiency of the device, irrespective of the character of the pulses, is due to two causes: first, rapid reversal of direction of flow and, second, great relative velocity of the colliding fluid columns, As will be readily seen each bucket causes a deviation through an angle of 180°, and another change of 180 degrees occurs in each of the spaces between adjacent buckets. That is to say, from the time the fluid enters or leaves on of the recesses to its passage into, or exit from, the one following a complete cycle, or deflection through 360° is effected. Observe now that the velocity is but slightly reduced in the reversal so that the incoming and deflected fluid columns meet with a relative speed, twice that of the flow, and the energy of their impact is four times greater than with a deflection of only 90° , as might be obtained with pockets such as have been employed in asymmetrical conduits for various purposes. The fact is, however, that in these such deflection is not secured, the pockets remaining filled with comparatively quiescent fluid and the latter following a winding path of least resistance between the obstacles interposed. In such conduits the action cannot be characterized as Valvular because some of the fluid can pass almost unimpeded in a direction opposite to the normal flow. In my construction, as above indicated, the resistance in the reverse may be 200 times that in the normal direction. Owing to this a comparatively very small number of buckets or elements is required for checking the fluid. To give a concrete idea, suppose that the leak from the first element is represented by the fraction 1/X, then after the nth bucket is traversed, only a quantity (1/X)n will escape and it is evident that X need not be a large number to secure a nearly perfect Valvular action.

    -----------------------------

    "Before I put a sketch on paper, the whole idea is worked out mentally. In my mind I change the construction, make improvements, and even operate the device. Without ever having drawn a sketch I can give the measurements of all parts to workmen, and when completed all these parts will fit, just as certainly as though I had made the actual drawings. It is immaterial to me whether I run my machine in my mind or test it in my shop. The inventions I have conceived in this way have always worked. In thirty years there has not been a single exception. My first electric motor, the vacuum wireless light, my turbine engine and many other devices have all been developed in exactly this way." N. Tesla

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  • Gazzasore
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    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post


    Some good info there Dave

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Gazzasore
    Cheers Maybe if I do a Mark 11 ill use this idea cheers

    This guy does a similar thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcm...FBEDE63E5478EC
    Gaz
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7nFga2BpGU ..... you won't have to go into high rpm as in the vid

    or more like this one :

    Tesla turbine powered by water - YouTube



    side note : All of Tesla's work is scalable ..... all you need is

    copper tube / fittings for the casing ..... and some small magnet rings .... and you can do the same .... with some retooling ..... thought worth to mention

    Copper and water are diamagnetic so it repels a moving magnet.
    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 04:51 PM.

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  • Dave45
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    Coil design

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Gazzasore
    Hey these Ring Magnets like this
    This is what i've done to Magnetize my water
    Check out my Vid

    Easy Magnetized Structured Water System.avi - YouTube
    isn't Tesla amazing





    ps/ for true Water magnetization try the same but using Tesla's Turbine with magnets confined within ( the fields will keep them apart )

    Download Lenz Law "Eddy Current" Experiments 1 of 3 - Magnets falling through copper, PVC and PVC with copper video in MP3, MP4, FLV, WebM, AVI and HD - YoutubeAVI

    It takes about 6 seconds for the magnet to fall through the copper tube I have. If that tube were made of bismuth, I think that same magnet would take maybe 10- 15 seconds to fall. If the tube were made of pyrolitic carbon, the magnet might not fall through at all. Just float. Or it might take a minute or 2 if it did go down. Copper is diamagnetic so it repels a moving magnet. Copper is -1 on the diamagnetic scale. Bismuth is -16.6 Pyrolitic carbon is -40! Water is about the same as copper. -.9
    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 03:22 PM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    Originally posted by Gazzasore
    You may also like this Vid from Mr Anguswangus

    Ed Leedskalnin Coral Castle Flywheel Secrets Revealed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Vw2gzFThg
    Thank you



    Variants of it :



    you can even change the size of the disks to get them stacked and form the shape below :



    again what do you see







    now as fluid : How about Ionized plasma + disk Magnet
    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 02:53 PM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    what would happen if you spinned the following with current passing through it ( and maybe not allowing it to discharge as in the picture ) ...... like the columbus Egg

    Tesla Patent 787,412 - Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy through the Natural Mediums

    just dawned on me ....... we can change perspective as like Pyramids viewed from top

    what do you see



    =



    recognize the concave bump same as :

    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 02:12 AM.

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  • morpher44
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    harvesting the power

    Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
    the vid you are looking for :
    Right. So the temptation here would be to put a bunch of coils under
    the magnets in an attempt to harvest the power.
    Yet I predict, that the drag that you would see from the coil,
    when a load is attached, would spin the magnet down.

    So, to harvest this power, we need to couple with this oscillation
    w/o creating a drag on the spinning TOP magnet.

    Its clear to me now that there are various orientations like this
    that you can create SPINNING magnet that just appear to spin
    forever, as reported about the Hendershot Mystery.

    Its also clear to me that Hendershot appears to be harvesting power
    NOT by dragging that spin down via coil, but to instead create
    these funky "resonator" devices that look like cylinder capacitors,
    and putting them "in circuit".

    Further, the notion of a spinning magnetic field can be created with a
    LARGE diameter cylinder shaped coil too and has the advantage
    that the spinning field is not spinning any MASS, just a bunch of
    stuff in the air -- an invisible spinning field ... next to another invisible
    spinning field. Such a field would interface with metalic surfaces
    with very little drag -- no back EMF .. no heat... aka "cold electricity".

    btw, re: levetron spinning top toy.
    That guy has some circuitry, feedback, to balance
    the magnet in a pulsed gravity well. That guy is "powered".
    Unplug the cord, and the thing falls.
    Last edited by morpher44; 02-01-2013, 10:40 PM.

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  • MonsieurM
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    the vid you are looking for : EQUILIBRIUS GRID by JON DEPEW / CORAL CASTLE CODE / Discovery 2004 - YouTube

    and the site linked to it :

    CORAL CASTLE CODE / JON DEPEW / FORMULA of ENERGY

    magnetic spin tops

    Leviton floating magnetic spinning top demo - YouTube







    makes sense when you think about it ..... his patent was for a toy using a toy to power it


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    Spinning Top Levitation - YouTube

    not sure of the validity of the text .... but interesting : Nikola Tesla's Flying Machine - his Flying Stove


    How Tesla intended to power his flying machine


    "The flying machine of the future -- my flying machine -- will be heavier than air, but it will not be an airplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected airplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind. My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, at higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of 'holes in the air' or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air even in a wind for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action." [Here it is again: "mechanical"]

    "You will get stability through gyroscopes?" I asked. " Through gyroscopic action of my engine,* assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about," he replied.
    * [notice that 'eccentrics' G,H,J, & K in the drawing below, DO throw their weight around in a "gyroscopic action", like spinning tops. The "device" could be the orientation of the 4 objects which generates an unprecedented, physical law breaking, 5th spin, 5th orbit, without the centripetal force physically needed to hold it there.]

    Science: "The ability of a gyroscope to 'defy gravity' is baffling." and "When a force is applied to try to rotate the spin axis of a gyroscope, the gyroscope reacts to the input force along an axis perpendicular to the input force" "according to the right-hand rule". This is called "gyroscopic precession".

    Dr. Tesla smiled an inscrutable smile. "All I have to say on that point is that my airship will have neither gas bag, wings nor propellers," he said. "It is the child of my dreams, the product of years of intense and painful toil and research. I am not going to talk about it any further. But whatever my airship may be, here at least is an engine that will do things that no other engine ever has done, and that is something tangible."
    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-01-2013, 10:26 PM.

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  • morpher44
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    opposite spinning fields - NOT

    Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    We all do its the adventure, but it also shows your willingness to share
    With every replication we learn even if it fails, we will find the key and build on it.
    I personally think its all about spinning fields, I have been thinking a normal magnetic field may be natures way of neutralizing energy bringing it back to balance maybe we need opposite spinning fields like in the Wimshurst machine.
    Actually, I think not.
    I recall seeing a video -- can't find it at the moment,
    where this guy set up 3 big JARS with a concave dip.
    These were arranged in a perfect triangle with an approapriate
    distance from each other. He then got 3 large spinning
    TOP magnets going, and they would sustain and keep
    spinning for what looks like "forever". Its a damped
    oscillation too, but very gradual, and very stable because
    there are 3. He then went on to add more and more
    jars and more and more magnets in hexagonal shapes.
    Each of the magnets, spinning like giroscopic tops,
    would help each other magnet continue to spin on its plane.
    This is a very stable system.
    Stan Deyo, in his long gravity lecture, also mentions
    this notion of having stable spinning configurations like this,
    and he used it to explain why several flying disks might
    arrange themselves like this in the sky because it
    is a STABLE flight configuration -- similar to how birds
    will flock into trianglar shapes too.

    So actually Hendershot's MKIII might really need a 3RD
    cylinder, with all 3 spinning in one-and-only-one direction.
    As they each spin, they support each other, creating
    eddy currents in the PEG area of the basketweave coil.
    In that peg area would be spinning vortecies. The nearby
    capacitor is harvesting from these by providing a
    path-of-least resistance OUT into the circuit.

    So I would "guess", that both coils spin in the same direction
    and do NOT have pole reversals. To get the PHASE right
    in order to enable this, you would have to FLIP the PHASE
    of the DOWN bump as it moves its way over to the LEFT, say,
    while the RIGHT side receives the UP bump in the wave.

    It may be also possible to make the two cylinders
    heterodyne against each other, by tuning them for
    two different frequencies -- and alter PHASE.
    This too might be a way to utilize a voltage potential
    created by the two phases.

    I'm torn as to which one might work better.

    -morpher44

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