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  • Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    We all do its the adventure, but it also shows your willingness to share
    With every replication we learn even if it fails, we will find the key and build on it.
    I personally think its all about spinning fields, I have been thinking a normal magnetic field may be natures way of neutralizing energy bringing it back to balance maybe we need opposite spinning fields like in the Wimshurst machine.
    I guess it is back to basics ..... first understanding the Wimhurst Machine .... wihich also acts as a "spark plug" so to speak

    Wimshurst machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Suppose that the conditions are as in the figure, with the segment A1 positive and the segment B1 negative. Now, as A1 moves to the left and B1 to the right, their potentials will rise on account of the work done in separating them against attraction. When A1 and neighboring sectors comes opposite the segment B2 of the B plate, which is now in contact with the brush Y, they will cause a displacement of electricity along the conductor between Y and Y1 bringing a negative charge, larger than the positive charge in A1 alone, on Y and sending a positive charge to the segment touching Y1. As A1 moves on, it passes near the brush Z and is partially discharged into the external circuit. It then passes on until, on touching the brush X, has a new charge, this time negative, driven into it by induction from B2 and neighboring sectors. As the machine turns, the process causes exponential increases in the voltages on all positions, until sparking occurs limiting the increase.


    good reading you Dave

    a similar process happens in the following :



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    on a side note : the Utron coils are also known as Tesla's Bicone Coils:

    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-01-2013, 01:13 PM.
    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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    • From our Russian Sister site

      kshetragia wrote (a):
      States that the distance between the coils is about 46cm.

      If you look at the photo Hendershot, length 30cm, in my opinion.
      kshetragia wrote (a):
      The capacitor in the circuit must be selected in accordance with the inductance and the frequency of the third harmonic = 671,088

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      • Preliminary testing of new Magnetic motor

        Preliminary testing of new Magnetic motor - YouTube

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        • opposite spinning fields - NOT

          Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
          We all do its the adventure, but it also shows your willingness to share
          With every replication we learn even if it fails, we will find the key and build on it.
          I personally think its all about spinning fields, I have been thinking a normal magnetic field may be natures way of neutralizing energy bringing it back to balance maybe we need opposite spinning fields like in the Wimshurst machine.
          Actually, I think not.
          I recall seeing a video -- can't find it at the moment,
          where this guy set up 3 big JARS with a concave dip.
          These were arranged in a perfect triangle with an approapriate
          distance from each other. He then got 3 large spinning
          TOP magnets going, and they would sustain and keep
          spinning for what looks like "forever". Its a damped
          oscillation too, but very gradual, and very stable because
          there are 3. He then went on to add more and more
          jars and more and more magnets in hexagonal shapes.
          Each of the magnets, spinning like giroscopic tops,
          would help each other magnet continue to spin on its plane.
          This is a very stable system.
          Stan Deyo, in his long gravity lecture, also mentions
          this notion of having stable spinning configurations like this,
          and he used it to explain why several flying disks might
          arrange themselves like this in the sky because it
          is a STABLE flight configuration -- similar to how birds
          will flock into trianglar shapes too.

          So actually Hendershot's MKIII might really need a 3RD
          cylinder, with all 3 spinning in one-and-only-one direction.
          As they each spin, they support each other, creating
          eddy currents in the PEG area of the basketweave coil.
          In that peg area would be spinning vortecies. The nearby
          capacitor is harvesting from these by providing a
          path-of-least resistance OUT into the circuit.

          So I would "guess", that both coils spin in the same direction
          and do NOT have pole reversals. To get the PHASE right
          in order to enable this, you would have to FLIP the PHASE
          of the DOWN bump as it moves its way over to the LEFT, say,
          while the RIGHT side receives the UP bump in the wave.

          It may be also possible to make the two cylinders
          heterodyne against each other, by tuning them for
          two different frequencies -- and alter PHASE.
          This too might be a way to utilize a voltage potential
          created by the two phases.

          I'm torn as to which one might work better.

          -morpher44

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          • the vid you are looking for : EQUILIBRIUS GRID by JON DEPEW / CORAL CASTLE CODE / Discovery 2004 - YouTube

            and the site linked to it :

            CORAL CASTLE CODE / JON DEPEW / FORMULA of ENERGY

            magnetic spin tops

            Leviton floating magnetic spinning top demo - YouTube







            makes sense when you think about it ..... his patent was for a toy using a toy to power it


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            Spinning Top Levitation - YouTube

            not sure of the validity of the text .... but interesting : Nikola Tesla's Flying Machine - his Flying Stove


            How Tesla intended to power his flying machine


            "The flying machine of the future -- my flying machine -- will be heavier than air, but it will not be an airplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected airplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind. My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, at higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of 'holes in the air' or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air even in a wind for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action." [Here it is again: "mechanical"]

            "You will get stability through gyroscopes?" I asked. " Through gyroscopic action of my engine,* assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about," he replied.
            * [notice that 'eccentrics' G,H,J, & K in the drawing below, DO throw their weight around in a "gyroscopic action", like spinning tops. The "device" could be the orientation of the 4 objects which generates an unprecedented, physical law breaking, 5th spin, 5th orbit, without the centripetal force physically needed to hold it there.]

            Science: "The ability of a gyroscope to 'defy gravity' is baffling." and "When a force is applied to try to rotate the spin axis of a gyroscope, the gyroscope reacts to the input force along an axis perpendicular to the input force" "according to the right-hand rule". This is called "gyroscopic precession".

            Dr. Tesla smiled an inscrutable smile. "All I have to say on that point is that my airship will have neither gas bag, wings nor propellers," he said. "It is the child of my dreams, the product of years of intense and painful toil and research. I am not going to talk about it any further. But whatever my airship may be, here at least is an engine that will do things that no other engine ever has done, and that is something tangible."
            Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-01-2013, 10:26 PM.
            Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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            • harvesting the power

              Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
              the vid you are looking for :
              Right. So the temptation here would be to put a bunch of coils under
              the magnets in an attempt to harvest the power.
              Yet I predict, that the drag that you would see from the coil,
              when a load is attached, would spin the magnet down.

              So, to harvest this power, we need to couple with this oscillation
              w/o creating a drag on the spinning TOP magnet.

              Its clear to me now that there are various orientations like this
              that you can create SPINNING magnet that just appear to spin
              forever, as reported about the Hendershot Mystery.

              Its also clear to me that Hendershot appears to be harvesting power
              NOT by dragging that spin down via coil, but to instead create
              these funky "resonator" devices that look like cylinder capacitors,
              and putting them "in circuit".

              Further, the notion of a spinning magnetic field can be created with a
              LARGE diameter cylinder shaped coil too and has the advantage
              that the spinning field is not spinning any MASS, just a bunch of
              stuff in the air -- an invisible spinning field ... next to another invisible
              spinning field. Such a field would interface with metalic surfaces
              with very little drag -- no back EMF .. no heat... aka "cold electricity".

              btw, re: levetron spinning top toy.
              That guy has some circuitry, feedback, to balance
              the magnet in a pulsed gravity well. That guy is "powered".
              Unplug the cord, and the thing falls.
              Last edited by morpher44; 02-01-2013, 10:40 PM.

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              • what would happen if you spinned the following with current passing through it ( and maybe not allowing it to discharge as in the picture ) ...... like the columbus Egg

                Tesla Patent 787,412 - Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy through the Natural Mediums

                just dawned on me ....... we can change perspective as like Pyramids viewed from top

                what do you see



                =



                recognize the concave bump same as :

                Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 02:12 AM.
                Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                • Originally posted by Gazzasore
                  You may also like this Vid from Mr Anguswangus

                  Ed Leedskalnin Coral Castle Flywheel Secrets Revealed

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Vw2gzFThg
                  Thank you



                  Variants of it :



                  you can even change the size of the disks to get them stacked and form the shape below :



                  again what do you see







                  now as fluid : How about Ionized plasma + disk Magnet
                  Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 02:53 PM.
                  Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                  • Originally posted by Gazzasore
                    Hey these Ring Magnets like this
                    This is what i've done to Magnetize my water
                    Check out my Vid

                    Easy Magnetized Structured Water System.avi - YouTube
                    isn't Tesla amazing





                    ps/ for true Water magnetization try the same but using Tesla's Turbine with magnets confined within ( the fields will keep them apart )

                    Download Lenz Law "Eddy Current" Experiments 1 of 3 - Magnets falling through copper, PVC and PVC with copper video in MP3, MP4, FLV, WebM, AVI and HD - YoutubeAVI

                    It takes about 6 seconds for the magnet to fall through the copper tube I have. If that tube were made of bismuth, I think that same magnet would take maybe 10- 15 seconds to fall. If the tube were made of pyrolitic carbon, the magnet might not fall through at all. Just float. Or it might take a minute or 2 if it did go down. Copper is diamagnetic so it repels a moving magnet. Copper is -1 on the diamagnetic scale. Bismuth is -16.6 Pyrolitic carbon is -40! Water is about the same as copper. -.9
                    Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 03:22 PM.
                    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                    • Coil design
                      Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                      • Originally posted by Gazzasore
                        Cheers Maybe if I do a Mark 11 ill use this idea cheers

                        This guy does a similar thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcm...FBEDE63E5478EC
                        Gaz
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7nFga2BpGU ..... you won't have to go into high rpm as in the vid

                        or more like this one :

                        Tesla turbine powered by water - YouTube



                        side note : All of Tesla's work is scalable ..... all you need is

                        copper tube / fittings for the casing ..... and some small magnet rings .... and you can do the same .... with some retooling ..... thought worth to mention

                        Copper and water are diamagnetic so it repels a moving magnet.
                        Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-02-2013, 04:51 PM.
                        Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                        • Originally posted by Dave45 View Post


                          Some good info there Dave

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                          • Originally posted by Gazzasore
                            Hey these Ring Magnets like this
                            This is what i've done to Magnetize my water
                            Check out my Vid

                            Easy Magnetized Structured Water System.avi - YouTube

                            if you prefer the other way magnetizing your water ...... interestingly also included as a part of the Tesla Turbine :

                            I 'd like to bring your attention to the principle used in the Valvular tube ..... Nikola Tesla: Disk Turbine / Pump (Articles, patents, links)



                            some parts need to be replaced by magnets ...... try to guess which




                            Furthermore, the conduits heretofore constructed were intended to be used in connection with slowly reciprocating machines, in which case enormous conduit-length would be necessary, all this rendering them devoid of practical value. By the use of an effective Valvular conduit, as herein described, and the employment of pulses of very high frequency, I am able to condense my apparatus and secure such perfect action as to dispense successfully with valves in numerous forms of reciprocating and rotary engines.

                            The high efficiency of the device, irrespective of the character of the pulses, is due to two causes: first, rapid reversal of direction of flow and, second, great relative velocity of the colliding fluid columns, As will be readily seen each bucket causes a deviation through an angle of 180°, and another change of 180 degrees occurs in each of the spaces between adjacent buckets. That is to say, from the time the fluid enters or leaves on of the recesses to its passage into, or exit from, the one following a complete cycle, or deflection through 360° is effected. Observe now that the velocity is but slightly reduced in the reversal so that the incoming and deflected fluid columns meet with a relative speed, twice that of the flow, and the energy of their impact is four times greater than with a deflection of only 90° , as might be obtained with pockets such as have been employed in asymmetrical conduits for various purposes. The fact is, however, that in these such deflection is not secured, the pockets remaining filled with comparatively quiescent fluid and the latter following a winding path of least resistance between the obstacles interposed. In such conduits the action cannot be characterized as Valvular because some of the fluid can pass almost unimpeded in a direction opposite to the normal flow. In my construction, as above indicated, the resistance in the reverse may be 200 times that in the normal direction. Owing to this a comparatively very small number of buckets or elements is required for checking the fluid. To give a concrete idea, suppose that the leak from the first element is represented by the fraction 1/X, then after the nth bucket is traversed, only a quantity (1/X)n will escape and it is evident that X need not be a large number to secure a nearly perfect Valvular action.

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                            "Before I put a sketch on paper, the whole idea is worked out mentally. In my mind I change the construction, make improvements, and even operate the device. Without ever having drawn a sketch I can give the measurements of all parts to workmen, and when completed all these parts will fit, just as certainly as though I had made the actual drawings. It is immaterial to me whether I run my machine in my mind or test it in my shop. The inventions I have conceived in this way have always worked. In thirty years there has not been a single exception. My first electric motor, the vacuum wireless light, my turbine engine and many other devices have all been developed in exactly this way." N. Tesla
                            Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                            • Vortex to "Cheat" Lenz's Law

                              Here is a theory that makes perfect sense to me and I would love for you
                              guys to "critique" this theory and tell me if I'm all wet.

                              Wikipedia: "Lenz's law states that the current induced in a circuit due to a
                              change in the magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux
                              or to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion."

                              This is why we have "heat" in our machines. This is why our motors
                              and generators don't do very well. This is why harnessing subtle
                              energy is difficult.

                              Yet, it seems to me that geometry can solve this "drag" in the following
                              way.

                              We want a tank circuit, but done differently. Thinking about this on the
                              "micro-scale" first, w/o worrying about the actual shape yet...

                              The coil should have TWO axises for the flux interplay. One axis is the
                              current flow, back and forth if AC. The right-hand-rule would have
                              the magnet fields forming around the wires in a circle -- as taught
                              in physics 101. First spinning CW, then CCW as the oscillation occurs.
                              The other axis that can be created if the wires CROSS each other --
                              such as basket weave or honeycomb, or some other coil winding
                              style. The "diamond", or "honeycomb hexagon" shape that is created
                              in the pattern of the coil can set up an eddy current area for a
                              magnetic vortex to form. This vortex would be perpendicular
                              to going into or out of the coil form.
                              If a nearby capacitor was either INSIDE or OUTSIDE the coil form
                              but within a decent proximity of this eddy current area, the
                              eddy current, which is a SPINNING field, can interface with the
                              capacitor surface at a fine point (the apex of the vortex).
                              Think of this as similar to shining a magnifying glass down onto a DOT
                              on the ground to burn leaves.
                              It may be possible to "cheat" Lenz's law in this situation because
                              the vortex "feels" no drag. The eddy current is perfectly happy
                              spinning as before and a GATE can be opened for energy transfer
                              to and from the coil and capacitor with minimal resistance.
                              In fact you need not connect any wires between these devices because
                              they are coupling "wire-less" thru the vortex shaped magnetic field.

                              This is the argument I'm trying to make for Hendershot's
                              "Resonator" ... and complex basket weave coil. The two may
                              not drag on each other simply because of this style of winding.

                              Another thought. Hendershot's hand made capacitor has three
                              delicate foil plates (2 with tabs and half-lengh, and one full length)
                              and also has a STRONG, THICKER aluminum plate around that one,
                              and then the former itself, which also might be aluminum.
                              I BET the THICKER aluminum plate is to be the outer-most surface
                              that the coil sees such that if any ARCing were to happen, it would
                              hit this material and not damage it, rather than the delicate foil
                              that Hendershot said used to get damaged until he solved the problem.
                              Does this make sense?
                              If yes, it would imply that there are HOT SPOTs that can occur
                              between coil and capacitor. By going basket weave instead of
                              honeycomb, the vortex eddy current area now are oriented
                              "parallel" to the surface of the capacitor, an may NOT create
                              the focused APEX beam on to the surface, preventing arcing,
                              and may also interface with the capacitor only on the side of the
                              vortex -- an even gentler way to "cheat" Lenz's law.
                              Last edited by morpher44; 02-03-2013, 03:10 AM.

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                              • Aluminium foil

                                Just thought I would put this link up on Aluminium foil
                                I didn't know what year it was invented and or "Tin Foil" replaced with Aluminium foil

                                Aluminium foil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                                Last edited by Gazzasore; 02-03-2013, 04:23 AM.

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