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**Joit** · 09-29-2009, 11:51 PM

Hi and

Howard,
Nice to see you around here, and a nice Device what you did build here, Congrats.
Thats indeed a great Idea, to use this just with Wind, i could figure,
it gives lot more Power then the conventional Way.

But anyway, me just wanna say welcome

**WattBuilder** · 09-30-2009, 12:09 AM

Hi Joit,

Thanks for the greetings.

Howard

**Michael John Nunnerley** · 09-30-2009, 09:26 AM

Hi Howard and welcome to the forum

I too am one of many that have been working on this, the problem is, not to get a self runner, but for it to work under load. I have a self runner but I can not get it to run with a load, YET,.

I keep going back to it, it is sitting in my garage, when I get a bit of inspiration, and play around with it a little more. Perhaps one day I can get some power from it

Your ideas are sound, you have to use gravity to get a self runner. At first I had my system in a flat plane and then one day I put it vertical and it worked. I found out afterwards that it worked because the bike wheel I was using with magnets attached, was out of balance, it was heavier on one side and by pure luck the timing of stator and rotor magnets was near enough right for it to maintain movement. As I said before, the problem is to extract energy, any attempt by me stopped the movement

One day I hope to crack it

Welcome again, may be we can exchange ideas.

Mike

**Matthew Jones** · 09-30-2009, 10:13 AM

I am not sure if you have tested this or not. I have on several ocasions built these gates. The 2 problems I see in your theory is the fact that when those gates are stacked up they stop working. You have a minimum distance apart. Second and this one is the real kicker. The gate is a square or circle that is closed.
I don't want to stop you from trying. I just wanted to point that out.

There is another delima as well but this might not be a problem for you. Its the magnets you have to use.

You have to use a minimum of 8 magnets for a square gate. All the magnets have to have a 45 deg cut on a long side. This cut has to be perfect (Or cast in place). The 2 magnets have to be bonded together so you have a north facing the front, this wraps around the corner into the tunnel. Or you can use Hollow circles but thats even worse to find. Either way its usually $$$$

The other thing that is not so obvious is the relaxation of the south pole on Howard's train. The trains of any of his devices drop the south poles power to the point it could be over come. Commonly called Asymmetrical magnetic assembly. There are several ways of doing this but you cannot use any
metallic shielding.

I don't want to discourage you, I just want to point some obvious things that look like problems to me.

Edit addition:

One other thing that I haven't talked about before is this alignment of the bloch walls in the magnet. I have got about 100 assemblies in the garage that didn't work because I at the time hadn't become aware of these areas that are key to the assembly.
You have in ever magnet 2 Zero point areas. One of them is the Negative Zero (Nzero) and the other a Positive Zero (Pzero) (thats what I call them anyway).
The Nzero region of the magnet is the center line between poles the is Parallel to both poles. The Pzero is perpendicular to both poles.
The alignment of the the 2 in certain assemblies is the key to gaining power.

Thats the biggest trick though. Probably to explain it I need a diagram. I'll put something together and post back.

Good luck
Matt

**WattBuilder** · 09-30-2009, 06:26 PM

Hi Mike,
Thanks for the greeting.

Have you tried litz wire yet? What I have found with electric motors used as generators is that they use iron cores. This causes �clogging� the little bumps you feel when turning it by hand. Those bumps happed when the magnets in the rotor are passing away from the iron core in the stator. That will cause drag.

Eddy Currents also causes drag as well and these currents form in the wire. That�s why a lot of electric generator manufactures use the iron in their cores to reduce the EC swirls.

I have found when using litz wire it greatly reduces the EC drag and also using an ironless core helps a lot too. Some examples you may want to look into are the Axial Flux Generators. They use a duel magnet and air coil.

As for the load that you will be powering. You may be able to reduce that as well through circuitry. Try charging a capacitor and have it switch to the next capacitor after charged. Have your charged capacitor run your load.

Howard

**WattBuilder** · 09-30-2009, 06:56 PM

Hi Matt,

I used the HJ track as one method for a low power actuator. There are many different ways to achieve this. You can use just about any magnetic array as long as the array allows for low resistance in and out of the array with acceleration.

To those who are building the YOG for testing, I want to point out that the HJ track has different versions. The YOG can work with a �one-way array or bi-directional array�

If you decide to build the round and square gate looking array. That array only goes one way but it has a stronger force then the bi-directional array. You will need to rotate 180 degrees out of the array vertically. So that the return swing will have the drive magnet out of the array to swing freely back.

If you decide to build the bi-directional array where the array magnets are all north. Then continue as I was explaining to rotate 180 degrees horizontally.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

I am not sure if you have tested this or not. I have on several ocasions built these gates. The 2 problems I see in your theory is the fact that when those gates are stacked up they stop working. You have a minimum distance apart.

Yes I agree. When magnets are touching they tend to become one larger magnet. The picture was just to illustrate.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

Second and this one is the real kicker. The gate is a square or circle that is closed.
I don't want to stop you from trying. I just wanted to point that out.

Well what I have found when analyzing the HJ gate is that the circle magnet is 50% lower then the square magnet. That allows for one side of the spins to naturalize out or minimized.

So one way to look at it is to have the array magnets tilted 45 degrees to achieve the same results as one side of HJ gate.

Another way to look at it when looking at the HJ gate when the square & circle is closed is to remove one side. The walls of the magnets are providing the push through swirls.

Picture a three sided �U� shape upside down. The push on the forth side is replaced by the lever holding the drive magnetic against the fulcrum.

Basically the more sides add greater strength.

Note for readers: the HJ round & square gate works only in �one way� direction. You will need to rotate 180 degree vertically out of the array to swing back freely.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

The other thing that is not so obvious is the relaxation of the south pole on Howard's train. The trains of any of his devices drop the south poles power to the point it could be over come. Commonly called Asymmetrical magnetic assembly. There are several ways of doing this but you cannot use any
metallic shielding.

I don't want to discourage you, I just want to point some obvious things that look like problems to me.

Edit addition:

One other thing that I haven't talked about before is this alignment of the bloch walls in the magnet. I have got about 100 assemblies in the garage that didn't work because I at the time hadn't become aware of these areas that are key to the assembly.
You have in ever magnet 2 Zero point areas. One of them is the Negative Zero (Nzero) and the other a Positive Zero (Pzero) (thats what I call them anyway).
The Nzero region of the magnet is the center line between poles the is Parallel to both poles. The Pzero is perpendicular to both poles.
The alignment of the the 2 in certain assemblies is the key to gaining power.

Thats the biggest trick though. Probably to explain it I need a diagram. I'll put something together and post back.

The YOG operates through oscillation, so the running in a full rotation is not required. Can you explain that again? Sorry I haven�t had much sleep.

Howard

**Matthew Jones** · 09-30-2009, 10:02 PM

Yes I agree. When magnets are touching they tend to become one larger magnet. The picture was just to illustrate.

Well what I am saying is the gate will not work if they are to close. Depending on the size of the magnets you may have 2 space them pretty far apart to get the effect. Just depends on the size of the magnet.

The second thing with the gate is you gotta count on hitting an equilibrium of power. Your drive magnets (attached to the pendulum) will get to a certain speed and no matter how powerful the next set is it won't go any faster or deliver any more power. In fact if you hit the gate at a faster speed the feild will interact in a negative fashion. It will slow you down. The 2 fields will only interact at a certain speed.

You gotta picture like throwing a foot ball in to a football launcher. You may throw it at 60 miles an hour but when hits that mechanism the foot ball will slow down and launch out a the machine at 30 miles an hour.

I hope you follow me.

If you decide to build the bi-directional array where the array magnets are all north. Then continue as I was explaining to rotate 180 degrees horizontally.

I bidirectional array is like what I have below my signature. Simple magnetic track. This one was pretty power but since then I have figure out pretty much all the ins and outs of it.
My original theory on it was that the magnetic field had something to do with the power involved in the 2 assemblies on the side. Howard Johnson called in Shorting out the fields. Some of this is still correct but I have evolved the theory. This what I was trying to explain.

Here's the picture

Figure 1 shows the way a magnet is laid out minus the fields. The Nzero is the incoming point for for the vortex that draws in vacuum energy. The P zero is the outgoing point for the vortex that delivers Positive energy. (Electron or holes for simplicity). Photons in the field are the by product of both of these.

The magnetic assembly changes the points at which the energy comes in. Look at figure 1 the Nzero is parallel to the north and south pole. The Pzero is perpendicular.
If you run these to line in 2 different magnets in parallel you can achieve
motion in a Asymmetrical fashion. BUT....The poles cannot be parallel to the Pzero line of the driven magnet.
Figure 2 is that solution. You can see how the bloch wall Nzero is skewed in the magnet due to the assembly.

From what I have tried this is not possible on a radius without cut magnets. Or specially cast magnets. Big money...

!!I accidentally hit submit while previewing!!

The key is in sixty degrees. In my assembly if you keep the magnets at 60 degrees from each other the Nzero will be 60 degrees from the drive magnets Pzero. This is an optimum point.
This is also the reason Howard Johnson Quites the bible. "Have you Entered into the secret of the Snowflake... that which I reserve for troubled times"
Every snow flake is different the only like thing that is alike is the fact they have a branch at 60 degrees. Or 6 branches total.
The reason is not explained readily, but there is something there. Its also available in every permanent magnet. But its not the field that matter, its the energy flow.

Just something to keep in mind

I gotta say also, I am not trying to be a "know it all" or or belittle your project in any way I just want to point out the things I found trying different stuff. I have over 100 experiments that didn't work. But I gotta few that do. You may have come to different conclusions and what I am saying not valid. In that case just ignore me.

I hope it works for ya

Matt

**WattBuilder** · 10-01-2009, 07:42 PM

Matt,
I�m not viewing your posts as any kind of attacks nor viewing them in any wrongful way. I�m constantly looking for ways or potential problems that may affect my device not achieving Overunity. I actually find your post refreshing and It�s not easy to come by, to talk to someone who has studied Magnetic Arrays�..

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

Well what I am saying is the gate will not work if they are to close. Depending on the size of the magnets you may have 2 space them pretty far apart to get the effect. Just depends on the size of the magnet.

I wouldn�t say they will not work if they are to close, in that way. I agree the gates should be spaced depending on the size/strength of the magnets. But remember HJ was able to gets his gates to work close together. I remember reading somewhere, he used that muffler looking array of gates to demo the function at the patent office appeals hearing.
I do understand the effects you were getting at. On a past test I was able get six gates to work touching each other but when I doubled the gates length. They did not work, they acted more like a single larger magnet. Also I notice that array had a weaker field in the middle of the array. The ends of the array had amplified fields. Which made it harder to enter into the array. I viewed it as a small wheel trying to roll over a larger wheel that cause resistance entering the array. Note: my array was taking one side of the gate laying it down horizontally. Where the round magnet was replaced with a 1x6x1 magnet touching at 50% lower of the height of the first magnet. So spaceing or blocking would make it better.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

The second thing with the gate is you gotta count on hitting an equilibrium of power. Your drive magnets (attached to the pendulum) will get to a certain speed and no matter how powerful the next set is it won't go any faster or deliver any more power. In fact if you hit the gate at a faster speed the feild will interact in a negative fashion. It will slow you down. The 2 fields will only interact at a certain speed.

You gotta picture like throwing a foot ball in to a football launcher. You may throw it at 60 miles an hour but when hits that mechanism the foot ball will slow down and launch out a the machine at 30 miles an hour.

Well when asking myself how this will slow down the YOG. The closes possible thing I can come up with is
� The entry point.
� The fields interacting.
The entry point can be mimilized with other methods like iron and positioning of magnets. Now with the fields interacting. If I place a magnet in the middle of the array and try to force it out�.. I don�t think it will lose speed.

I have kenetic energy and potential energy behind the drive magnet from the YOG.
The speed of the array should add on to the speed of the kenetic and potential energy.

It�s almost like picturing a person running on a treadmill the person can run off of it. Maybe not me? I have a hard enough time just getting out of bed as it is.

Now if I ask myself what if it does slow down the drive magnet��
Lets see how much speed the drive magnet is traveling.

The drive magnet is attached to a lever in the YOG. Depending on the lever ratio for mechanical gain. I will use a 7 to 1 ratio. Now when applying the speed of gravity at the short end of the lever. I believe the speed of gravity is 9.8m/s or converted to 21.92mph.

So the short end of the lever is 21.92mph coming down. The long end of the lever speed is calculated 7 X 21.92mph = 153.44mph. From that example the speed of the drive magnet should be about 153.44mph.

The speed of the array seems to be a lot faster then 153mph. So I should be okay.

Another point of view is any loss of momentum will be re-entered back into the YOG from the arrays.

Overunity can still be achieved with the YOG.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

The key is in sixty degrees. In my assembly if you keep the magnets at 60 degrees from each other the Nzero will be 60 degrees from the drive magnets Pzero. This is an optimum point.
This is also the reason Howard Johnson Quites the bible. "Have you Entered into the secret of the Snowflake... that which I reserve for troubled times"
Every snow flake is different the only like thing that is alike is the fact they have a branch at 60 degrees. Or 6 branches total.
The reason is not explained readily, but there is something there. Its also available in every permanent magnet. But its not the field that matter, its the energy flow.

Just something to keep in mind

Excellent video, I was wonder if you the author was still around. It�s good to see that your still at it and haven�t given up.

Howard

**Matthew Jones** · 10-02-2009, 12:13 AM

Well when asking myself how this will slow down the YOG. The closes possible thing I can come up with is
� The entry point.
� The fields interacting.
The entry point can be mimilized with other methods like iron and positioning of magnets. Now with the fields interacting. If I place a magnet in the middle of the array and try to force it out….. I don’t think it will lose speed.

No the entry and the exit cannot be minimized by iron of any kind. The reason is the iron will cause an opposite effect of what you would expect. It actually will stall the magnet worse. Or catch the magnet.

You were saying the magnet at the entry and exit are stronger due to the array. Well that same energy flow directed to the iron will also increase the iron magnetic attraction. It also has an effect on the field that travel through the array. It turns them around or something like that.

You can though use an Asymmetrically cut magnet. A trapezoid style magnet. Where the north would be cut wider than the south. The cut though would not square up the entrance. The magnet would actually flange out a bit. (see attached picture, its rough but you'll get the idea)

This setup decreases the input resistance. But its a cut or cast magnet for sure.

Also I notice that array had a weaker field in the middle of the array. The ends of the array had amplified fields.

Johnson over came this by using small weak magnets in between each magnet. He did it in this assembly

The thing that isn't obvious to anybody just looking is the 30 degree's or so angle present in the banana magnet. It has a 30 degree offset from the drive magnets side. This is the same pattern in a different form from what I am refering to in my last post. It common theme with Johnson. a 30 degree offset in the magnets body.

Back to the point I was making.... If you model this array you will see the common effect of rotation in the fields similar to what I show. "The wheels driving the magnets through"
But to do it without the neo tipped Banana magnets you have to angle the arrays on the side. If done correctly you will find a good amount of acceleration.
You can even do it with Angled magnets like I showed in my little you tube clip. But the placement of smaller magnets get touchy and won't always work.

I haven't experimented enough with that to give you many pointer other than just try it and see what you get.

I'm not viewing your posts as any kind of attacks nor viewing them in any wrongful way.

Cool. I get his feeling sometimes I might be overwhelming in my approach to getting or passing info. I have seen threads just stop because I posted questions or comments. LOL
I wanted to make sure, you knew you could just run me at any time.

Cheers
Matt

**WattBuilder** · 10-03-2009, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

No the entry and the exit cannot be minimized by iron of any kind. The reason is the iron will cause an opposite effect of what you would expect. It actually will stall the magnet worse. Or catch the magnet.

Too bad I don't have my camera. It would be better to show what I�m talking about. I had some iron behind the bi-directional array magnets, at the entrance to help with the first two magnets CCW to CW spins. It was used to help naturalize some of the repulsive force entering.

My set up has bi-directional magnets spaced apart. I should have mentioned it.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

You can though use an Asymmetrically cut magnet. A trapezoid style magnet. Where the north would be cut wider than the south. The cut though would not square up the entrance. The magnet would actually flange out a bit. (see attached picture, its rough but you'll get the idea)

This setup decreases the input resistance. But its a cut or cast magnet for sure.

Interesting. Good point, that I have yet to try.

Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post

The thing that isn't obvious to anybody just looking is the 30 degree's or so angle present in the banana magnet. It has a 30 degree offset from the drive magnets side. This is the same pattern in a different form from what I am refering to in my last post. It common theme with Johnson. a 30 degree offset in the magnets body.

Back to the point I was making.... If you model this array you will see the common effect of rotation in the fields similar to what I show. "The wheels driving the magnets through"
But to do it without the neo tipped Banana magnets you have to angle the arrays on the side. If done correctly you will find a good amount of acceleration.
You can even do it with Angled magnets like I showed in my little you tube clip. But the placement of smaller magnets get touchy and won't always work.

I have had some great results using iron as a magnet extension. You may have tried it or not but for me I used a 1/8� thick steel strip and bent it into a hockey stick shape. I made two and placed the short end against the north and south to get a banana shape effect.

We'll I'm still waiting for my video camera to get back from a trip. Hopefull in a couple of more weeks I will be able to show a video.

One thing I want to point out to the readers of our post is that coming into and out of an array of magnets with low resistance is totally possible.

Cheers,
Howard

**Matthew Jones** · 10-03-2009, 10:31 AM

I have never had any luck with metal. I would like to see what you are doing with yours.
I primarily like to try things the way HJ described it. Cancellation and Redirection of the fields.

Cheers
Matt

**WattBuilder** · 10-03-2009, 11:30 AM

For the readers who have decided to build the YOG for testing.

There is a way replace the input source electricity.

This can be achieved by removing the servo and adding a Tail Vane instead. This method will allow for basic aerodynamics to do the work.

In order to allow the tail vane below the drive magnet to rotate 180 degrees. You will need to add a bearing, so it can change the orientation of the drive magnet facing towards the magnetic array. If you happen to choose an array that tries to turns the drive magnet. You will need to add guide rails next to the tail vane to keep it true.
Note: this will only work for a bi-directional arrays.

I am almost completed with this test unit using the tail vane. That I originally had plans for teachers and educators. Hopefully in the coming weeks it will be ready for videoing.

Howard

**WattBuilder** · 10-08-2009, 11:26 PM

To all,

Here is my latest video. Showing how the YOG gains energy from magnets.

YouTube - Yu Oscillating Generator Overunity model - one cycle demo

This is just an analysis of the YOG�s one cycle.

Enjoy

Howard

**Matthew Jones** · 10-09-2009, 09:58 AM

Do you have the array design posted anywhere? The layout or anything?

That is really, really nice. I am hoping and praying for ya.

Matt

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