Energy vs Voltage free energy understanding

[sebosfato]

Thinking and thinking and thinking... I found better ways to understand energy.

Energy is able to perform work right. How? For example if you hold a 1kg ball in your hands for 1 minute you are doing a work. So work is = energy used for a determined time. Just like power is = to voltage times Amps/hour

So what is happening here If i apply 1 volt thru a resistance of 1 ohm i'm going to make 1 ampere pass thru it within one hour. So what happen with energy?
1v*1amp= 1 watt
10v*0,1amp =1 watt
0,1v*10amps= 1 watt
Energy is dissipated in form of heat. Heat? What is heat? Heat is = to energy.
Heat is created on the resistance by attrit of electrons (amps) passing thru its constituent molecules.

So we can state that Electrical energy is = to the ability voltage has to force electrons to flow thru a circuit.

A capacitor accumulates energy in form of electrostatic field basically it can hold electrons on its cathode and accordingly to its characteristics the bigger is its value you will have less voltage difference per electron accumulated.

A rechargeable battery accumulate energy in a slightly different way 1° It will need a generator that is able to create an electron flow (generally a permanent magnet moving inside a coil of wire... ) This electron flow being rectified and encountering a resistance will develop a voltage across the resistance of the battery.

Photons are considered packs of energy...

I want to make clear that electrons are not energy. Their flow can be measured as a kinetic energy and when accumulated in a capacitor they can be measured as potential energy.

I guess a new way of creating energy should be to accelerate electrons by use of magnetic and electrostatic forces making them to collide with air molecules making them to liberate some of its electrons, for than use them gained kinetic energy to fill up a capacitance or tank circuit able to accept this electrons and convert its gained kinetic energy to potential energy.

What do you think about it?

[elias]

Thinking and thinking and thinking... I found better ways to understand energy.

Energy is able to perform work right. How? For example if you hold a 1kg ball in your hands for 1 minute you are doing a work. So work is = energy used for a determined time. Just like power is = to voltage times Amps/hour

Newman made a distinction between obvious work and unobvious work.
Holding a 1Kg ball in our hands means that we have not done any work in conventional physics because we have not moved anything and our source and destination is the same so net work is zero. But the work done here according to Newman's proposal is unobvious work.

Btw, nobody knows if there are such particles as "electrons". It is only an idea or theory or model, which suits the systems we use.

[kdas]

I guess a new way of creating energy should be to accelerate electrons by use of magnetic and electrostatic forces making them to collide with air molecules making them to liberate some of its electrons, for than use them gained kinetic energy to fill up a capacitance or tank circuit able to accept this electrons and convert its gained kinetic energy to potential energy.

What do you think about it?

Look at the Gray Tube and sparks at all. There is acceleration of ions in electric field, isn't there? And electrons avalanche is there too. And strong EM pulse due to acceleration of electrons.

I tend to think (reading Tom Beardens suggestions) that space around us is in equilibrium state. But this equilibrium is not weak. This equilibrium is very strong.

And if we create any disbalance we get energy flow between poles of disbalance. We can use this flow to do some work (for example, accelerate electrons). The main condition is to maintain disbalance source.

[baroutologos]

Avalanche effect huh?

Could be so. The multipactor effect is a quite similar effect when oscillating electric fields are used to accelerate electrons that create more free electrons..
The inventor of it called it OU...

By the way, we lack and hands contemporary testimony on this subject..

Regards,
Baroutologos

[jibbguy]

I think Dr. Claus Turtur's work, and many others on the theoretical side, have pretty much clinched the argument that energy is not just moving electrons. There IS another, mainly unknown, field involved (whether we call it ZPE or whatever, is not so important). This field interacts with "known" energy fields (lol if you can call Gravity "known"... Empirically it is, but not yet fully explained to mosts' satisfaction).

At any rate, these interactions are how electricity is often manifested in free energy devices, and also explains the "breaking" of the so-called "laws".

Learning to release it, to harness it, to measure it, is the supreme task; and is extremely difficult to do... Like trying to count firefly's blindfolded.

But we can be strengthened in our resolve and determination by all whom have come before us, all the brilliant minds who have glimpsed at least part of the truth. Because of their work, we know there is an end to the path (lol or at least a Rest Stop along the way with beer & pretzels), and all we need do is stay on the path, and we will arrive

[quantumuppercut]

Lately I've been thinking about the issue of closing the loop to make self-runner. My final conclusion is... impossible. This does not means a self runner cannot be accomplish but rather a self runner has to suck in ambient energy. In the case of Aaron negative waveform circuit, the energy is taking from surrounding to recharge the battery. How strong this is depends on how far below ambient can one create. The most the system can do it not expend any energy, or unity. Having thought that, the heat generated is entropy and not conserve. Meaning we can generate a heat source and heat this plannet up to becomes a sun, or we can create a heat sink and freeze this plannet. I'm looking into the Bessler wheel to see how is it play with ambient energy, which I beleive is gravity. This gonna be a tough one.

[sebosfato]

I was thinking this because i cleared to my self that even free electrons are not energy but there is a lot of kinetic energy in the movement of the electrons around atoms basically what we would need to do is to transform accelerate this electrons in order to have a gain in kinetic energy and than transform this energy in electrical energy or coordinated flow of electrons in a wire.

[sucahyo]

A rechargeable battery accumulate energy in a slightly different way 1° It will need a generator that is able to create an electron flow (generally a permanent magnet moving inside a coil of wire... ) This electron flow being rectified and encountering a resistance will develop a voltage across the resistance of the battery.

It need to be mentioned too that charge in the battery is not indicated by voltage alone. A defective battery with high internal resistance because of frequent use may show the same voltage as a good battery. But it won't hold the same charge.

This bellow is a failed attempt to charge alkaline and show that even with higher voltage reading, the empty alkaline would still be empty when connected to real load.
YouTube - Fake charge vs real charge


About energy, there are potential energy and kinetic energy. What elias mention (throwed stone) is kinetic energy, and what sebosfato mention (holoding ball in hand) is potential energy. Both together is total energy that always balance each other. Sometimes the kinetic energy is bigger than potential energy when things move, and the opposite. When you throw the ball, there is momentum in the ball which prevent it from moving (potential energy converted to kinetic), but after it released, the momentum keep it move (kinetic converted to potential).

The same analogy is duplicated in pulsed circuit. By assuming that electron or something similar have momentum, the coil wire is made as big as possible to transfer as much as electron, convert as much as electron potential energy to kinetic. Electron with high kinetic energy will hit harder and should give more pronounce effect.

[quantumuppercut]

This is my visualization of what happening within wires and how it tie up to magnetic/kinetic energy/centrifugal force/longitudinal waves.

The different of conventional model is that the magnetic field is shooting outward and field line diminish with distance instead of magnetic field looping around and dinminish with distance. The magnetic field when objects collide to split apart create 2 pulses know as AC, or if detected, a transverse phenomena.

[boguslaw]

First nobody asked what is going on with electric energy after work done.
Is that gone ? Or is that returned back to source depleting it in the same moment ? Killing the dipole. Maybe that's it - energy is changed into another form and when returned back it negate part of original power source energy.
We have to reverse that negative change and return original energy (minus looses) back to power source .
The first law would be that : return original energy back in original form .

Second thought : the only problem to economically use electric energy is in Lenz effect (or Lenz law). Eliminate Lenz effect and Ohm law would be our friend.
We should understand what is the reason of Lenz effect.
I can imagine that Tesla coil could easily produce 1 million of volts. Then we should be able to put it into circuit with some resistance and obtain easily 100 amps.This doesn't happen however. Why ?

[sucahyo]

This is my visualization of what happening within wires and how it tie up to magnetic/kinetic energy/centrifugal force/longitudinal waves.

In my opinion, the electron move in spiral inside the wire, not back forward, or up and down, or straight. I think the electron move in spiral, gliding close to the skin of the wire. This should make wire with big diameter heat up faster than multiple small diameter, because those spiraling movement make the center electromagnetized and heat up. The same way electric heater heat up something in the middle if there is current circling it.

First nobody asked what is going on with electric energy after work done.

I don't get the done part. There wouldn't be electric moving if there are no load isn't it? And if electricity moving without doing anything it will heat up the wire? The answer is electricity wasted to heat?

[sebosfato]

Basically as i said electrons or current are just the matter you move using the energy or potential voltage. Becoming kinetic energy. As the current passes thru the resistance of the wire it creates attrit and so the kinetic energy become heat. Like when you rub your hands heating it.

What i would like to point is that there must be energy everywhere because atoms in air and water are aways making new connections, and for doing this energy is needed. What is the energy that sustains life?

When a battery is connected to the load internally it creates a oxidation reaction that creates a voltage potential energy so the load is consuming the chemical energy stored. There are circuits however where you can put the energy in and continue to put and this circuit can take the energy non used and instead of transforming in heat it just recirculate it again. I'm discussing it here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html

This way energy can be efficiently be used in some cases. Its often used in transmitter, induction heating, and the like.

[quantumuppercut]

In my opinion, the electron move in spiral inside the wire, not back forward, or up and down, or straight. I think the electron move in spiral, gliding close to the skin of the wire. This should make wire with big diameter heat up faster than multiple small diameter, because those spiraling movement make the center electromagnetized and heat up. The same way electric heater heat up something in the middle if there is current circling it.

electron? sure. The atomic still colliding even if electron spiral around the wire. I theoried that electrons are aether manifestation. Of course this is not an original idea.

[sucahyo]

As the current passes thru the resistance of the wire it creates attrit and so the kinetic energy become heat. Like when you rub your hands heating it.

ok

What i would like to point is that there must be energy everywhere because atoms in air and water are aways making new connections, and for doing this energy is needed. What is the energy that sustains life?

That would be the same as saying matter is everywhere since at spesific condition, matter is transforming to or from energy. And I believe life can sustain if soul and body is functional.

There are circuits however where you can put the energy in and continue to put and this circuit can take the energy non used and instead of transforming in heat it just recirculate it again. I'm discussing it here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eyer-true.html

Ok. Made me remember how a quarter of potentiometer change can make my transistor/coil of radiant charger get very hot.

electron? sure. The atomic still colliding even if electron spiral around the wire. I theoried that electrons are aether manifestation. Of course this is not an original idea.

I believe in another model of atom where electron is not rotating around a proton and neutron, everything is move in spiral and because of the scale, computer modeling is impossible since it require a very huge byte of precision. From occult chemistry. There is no atomic colliding. The theory explain that electron at three step higher than gas (after solid and liquid) it will be transform to or from unseen field.

I don't believe current atomic model because there is no photo to proof it.

[boguslaw]

Imagine a long queue of worker waiting for fast job. From time to time the screen nearby indicate that work should be done and the first worker from queue spin and run fast to do work. Then he returns tired and do not know where to go so he tries to get his place in queue but that place is already occupied by another worker preparing to start work.Then such second worker have to push the first into the end of queue before he can start his work.
This is the loss which occur every time...

This is what happens when electricity done his work on load and is returning back to source.