No Current Polarity Flip Flop Pulse Cap Charge Circuit

[gotoluc]

Hi Everyone,

yet again here is another effect that I found several months back when experimenting with coil resonance.

At the time I wasn't sure if it was voltage leak through the MOSFET's of my H-Bridge circuit causing the effect so I now decided to retest it with a DPDT latching relay and it seems the effect is the same.

If you see that I'm misunderstanding something please post your comments or a retest suggestion in order to help me understand.

Link to video: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test1

Thanks for you time and interest.

Luc

[Inquorate]

Excellent

That's the same principle as dr Stiffler's circuit; the source doesn't see the load.

Try adding mass between the switch and the load caps

YouTube - Need Some Replicators To Do This

Or lighting a bank of LED's

YouTube - sec exciter energy gain (NOT RF)

Great work!

[lighty]

@gotoluc

I did exactly the same experiment about 5 years ago and I found out that the circuit in operation will draw current from the source.

First of all first you charged the capacitors and then you started the experiment? Don't you see a logical flaw in that part?

Also, so called Avramenko plug in operation WILL draw current from the source. You can put shunt in series and measure that current or you can use sensitive current transformer to measure it. Either way the current will be small but measurable.

The problem with people understanding of Avramenko circuit is that the electrical circuit is not closed. Well, first of all everything is capacitively coupled via earth ground (source-earth, earth-capacitor to be charged) and some energy transfer will occur when you're using AC. It doesn't matter if the capacitive coupling is in the order of pF because some energy will get transferred from source to load (in your case capacitors).

Secondly- it doesn't matter if the circuit is not closed because even the displacement of electrostatic charge will cause current flow in conductor. You can prove this easily. Take one charged conductive sphere and connect it to the uncharged conductive sphere through a single wire conductor. The potentials will equalize and some small current will flow through a single wire conductor. If you wind that single wire conductor in the coil you can measure magnetic field with Hall probe or even see a jump of a sensitive magnetic needle. Also, if you use current shunt or current transformer you can measure that current. And finally it can easily be simulated in any EM simulator. In fact my friend did it with Avramenko circuit and of course he find that there is a current flow.

There is nothing magical about Avramenko circuit. You have one charged plate and you connect it to the plate of lower potential. Through electrostatic charge displacement some of the charge will get from plate of the higher potential to the plate of the lower potential. The current will flow through the single conductor. Then you switch the polarity of the plate charged to high potential and repeat the process. The diodes are there just to relay the charge from source to appropriate plate according to the polarity.

So, let's set this straight once and for all - Avramenko circuit will draw current through single wire conductor. You can measure it. You can even simulate it. The charging process will be relatively slow compared to two wire circuits so you either need to raise the frequency of AC or to raise voltage (or do both). It is a good proof of concept for the Strebkov, Zaev, Avramenko single wire transmission but it has negligible usefulness to their resonant system with transmitter and receiver resonating circuits. Also, combined with earth ground coupling it is indeed a viable single wire or wireless system of energy transport. What it is not is FE or OU system.


gotoluc I just wanted to set the record straight once and for all because all of the rubbish written about Strebkov, Zaev, Avramenko systems and the problem people have about understanding single wire transmission systems. It was not aimed at your experiment as such.

[Inquorate]

Lighty

I agree with your theory, but my experiments do not.

Love and light

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

thanks for looking and posting your comments.

I made a new video with a 1K Ohm loads on each cap and added a DPDT switch to disconnect battery and connect signal generator at the same moment. With the setup this way the first voltage drop occurs 8 seconds before the test with the circuit not running measuring just normal cap voltage losses.

Video link: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test 2

Please keep posting your comments positive or not.

Thanks for your time

Luc

[Guest]

I think, that there is a current but without electrons. If you increase the frequency the effect will be more noticeable. You should read Telsa's lecture "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena". When you change polarity at the high rate the Quantum Photon Flux, in this case as current without electrons, rush to positive or negative charge. Tesla gave a formula that give's relation between energy (in the form of light), pressure and frequency. The energy is proportional to the pressure and frequency squared (E=U*f^2). First he uses the open loop circuit to light the bulb and then he instead of bulb put's an induction coil and noticed that that current can also produce magnetic field...
Here is the Tesla's lecture http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/1893onlight.pdf

You can put LED to see if it emits light instead of resistor

Regards,
Nenad

[Inquorate]

In and out

Ok, so the source minus cap losses is what?

(0.1 volt * 1F ? * 60sec ) - ( 0.1 volt * 1F ? * 50sec)

Output = 1uF * .06v ? over 1k Ohm for 60sec * 2 ?

I'm really bad at math, don't know the equations, Etc.

But if someone can post the equations for joules, caps, loads..

[Inquorate]

Just checking

@ Lighty, just checking I didn't cause offence.. I agree that the av plug in and of itself is not ou, but..

YouTube - sec exciter energy gain (NOT RF)

Here I show very little current exciting mass, and a very apparent gain.

Love and light

[samedsoft]

Dear Gotoluc,

What was the driving force for you to choose 1 mH and 1 uF on AV plug?

On SEC, you have a coil and half capacitor and AV plug.. Then a load on AV plug..

When you add mass on the AV plug side you have more capacitive coupling to Earth. (As I understand)

For resonance conditions to be met and no active power to be consumed, we need to have capacitance and inductance to be tuned (to have net 0 reactance)...

Could you please let me know what is the driving force for you to pick this capacity on AV plug?

I also wonder how capacity is seen from AV plug entry? Lot of questions here..

We need Dr. Stiffler support!!!

Nuri Temurlenk
Love and Brothership!

[gotoluc]

Dear Gotoluc,

What was the driving force for you to choose 1 mH and 1 uF on AV plug?

On SEC, you have a coil and half capacitor and AV plug.. Then a load on AV plug..

When you add mass on the AV plug side you have more capacitive coupling to Earth. (As I understand)

For resonance conditions to be met and no active power to be consumed, we need to have capacitance and inductance to be tuned (to have net 0 reactance)...

Could you please let me know what is the driving force for you to pick this capacity on AV plug?

I also wonder how capacity is seen from AV plug entry? Lot of questions here..

We need Dr. Stiffler support!!!

Nuri Temurlenk
Love and Brothership!

Hi samedsoft,

I wrote above that this is an effect I had noticed when doing test with my H-Bridge circuit, so I don't know how it compares to Dr. Stiffler's circuit or his work other then using an AV Plugs.

Through experimenting by connecting different inductors of different Inductance values, I was trying to see if a particular value would help boost the voltage output at the AV plug cap. It is only when got down to 1mH that I noticed a positive effect. At all times I was keeping the relay at its maximum switching speed of 300Hz. Higher Inductance had no effects and as the inductance value drops below the 1mH so does the boost effect. This is why I have three 270uH in series which has around 14 Ohms DC Resistance. Interestingly, I tried it with a lower Resistance single inductor and it wasn't as good as the 3 in series at 14 Ohms . I wish my relay I could go to higher frequencies since the effect really boosts fast as the frequency is raised.

I chose the 1uf caps only because I can quickly see the result of changes, as they quickly discharge with just the voltage meters connected to them. This is something that no one considered in my test 1 video. If I disconnect the voltage meters the cap charges to over 24vdc and as soon as I connect them back in about 2 seconds will drop back to 12vdc range. So the circuit was under load in test 1 video if you consider this.

The other thing I have not mentioned is if I attach an Earth ground to either side of the output cap the voltage will close to triple and again not show any change on the meters. I just did not have time to do this test in the video.

I'm looking for a high SWITCHING frequency relay (if they exist?) to further test as I would like to keep using a real switch and not an Electronic component.

Luc

[EgmQC]

Hi samedsoft,

I wrote above that this is an effect I had noticed when doing test with my H-Bridge circuit, so I don't know how it compares to Dr. Stiffler's circuit or his work other then using an AV Plugs.

Through experimenting by connecting different inductors of different Inductance values, I was trying to find if a particular value that would help boost the voltage output at the AV plug cap. It is only when got down to 1mH that I noticed a positive effect. At all times I was keeping the relay at its maximum switching speed of 300Hz. Higher Inductance had no effects and as the inductance value drops below the 1mH so does the boost effect. This is why I have three 270uH in series which has around 14 Ohms DC Resistance. Interestingly, I tried it with a lower Resistance single inductor and it wasn't as good as the 3 in series at 14 Ohms . I wish my relay I could go to higher frequencies since the effect really boosts fast as the frequency is raised.

I chose the 1uf caps only because I can quickly see the result of changes, as they quickly discharge with just the voltage meters connected to them. This is something that no one considered in my test 1 video. If I disconnect the voltage meters the cap charges to over 24vdc and as soon as I connect them back in about 2 seconds will drop back to 12vdc range. So the circuit was under load in test 1 video if you consider this.

The other thing I have not mentioned is if I attach an Earth ground to either side of the output cap the voltage will close to triple and again not show any change on the meters. I just did not have time to do this test in the video.

I'm looking for a high SWITCHING frequency relay (if they exist?) to further test as I would like to keep using a real switch and not an Electronic component.

Luc

Why not use a MOSFET with a optoisolator?

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Reed Relay

Luc, try using a reed relay, you can buy them in different switchings and will work up to quite high switching frequencies

Mike

[gotoluc]

Why not use a MOSFET with a optoisolator?

Hi EgmQC,

Please provide a circuit I can consider that will do a polarity flip at every pulse that I can control with my SG. I have many 4013 flip flop, 4n35 optoisolator and IR840 MOSFET's in stock.

Also, please explain why you believe the circuit would work as well as a DPDT relay, to which I know that no switching voltage can leak through it, therefore eliminating another problem. Sorry for asking, I'm just not knowledgeable enough in electronics to know.

Thanks for your time.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Luc, try using a reed relay, you can buy them in different switchings and will work up to quite high switching frequencies

Mike

Hi Michael,

Glad you found the new video. It's kind of in the same area you're exploring.

Thanks for posting your suggestion. I was looking at reed relays but they don't seem to say (or I could not find it) how high a frequency they can go.

I'll see if someone has them in stock locally.

Luc

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Michael,

Glad you found the new video. It's kind of in the same area you're exploring.

Thanks for posting your suggestion. I was looking at reed relays but they don't seem to say (or I could not find it) how high a frequency they can go.

I'll see if someone has them in stock locally.

Luc

If you are not switching high power I think they will go pretty high, certainly a lot higher than a relay contact, as they are in a vacuum.

Remember I showed you on a link we had one day, an unusual transformer, well they are polyphase transformers, and I am developing a circuit to use one of these. At the moment the output goes to another transformer and from this I am using an AV plug, one wire, and feeding it back into the circuit. Now to trigger the circuit I am putting in a signal, one wire no earth, and the voltage on the transformer shows over 300mV. When I take the signal away, the voltage drops to around 80mV, no power input

I then left it alone for 30-40min and on my return the meter showed 121mV Where is the power coming from, well from some where for sure, but there is nothing on in the room during this time, at the moment it is a mistery.

I will post on my thread when I have completed the rest of the circuit so as I can put in around 24v and see what it does

Sorry to go on on your thread, but it has got me woundering

Mike