possible electrical analog to veljko oscillator

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i've been thinking about this for over a year now, and yesterday had a brain hiccup:

Lc analog to veljko - Vox

while i'm waiting for supplies (thanks loki) for the sec 15-3, i might play with this. just wanted to put the idea up here for critique and comment; also, i work better under pressure, and there's no pressure like peer review

the only drawback is that i don't have a sensitive uH meter, or a signal generator.

these may be useful, maybe i can make purpose built hartley oscillators as sig generators

Pronine Electronics Design - LC Resonance Calculator
LC Resonance Calculator

Pronine Electronics Design - Single-Layer Air Coil Calculator

and this to determine the energy relationship
Capacitor Energy and Time Constant Calculator


this is the originating concept
Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovi


it would be interesting to see if the load coil can supply energy thru an rf choke to an av plug a la gotoluc

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e-circuit.html

love and light

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like this

Alt use - Vox

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mhz oscillator

High Frequency Function Generator Using MAX038 | Simple Circuit Diagram

Linear Technology - LTC6905 - 17MHz to 170MHz Resistor Set SOT-23 Oscillator

Linear Technology - LTC1799 - 1kHz to 33MHz Resistor Set SOT-23 Oscillator


File:NPN Colpitts oscillator collector coil.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://internet.ktu.lt/lt/mokslas/zu...Mykolaitis.pdf

[sucahyo]

Sorry, I don't get the circuit connection to Veljko Milkovic. VM device use light part wide swinging to move big part little swinging with more bang. Do you design use high voltage low current input to get more work at low voltage high current output?

Instead of getting HV output out of radiant oscillator transformer you try to make LV output?

Do you intend to switch coil powered with 110V/220V DC with your mechanical switch and the output is 12V?

If you use step down transformer for coil, instead of using the 12V part as primary you would be using 220V part as primary?

[quantumuppercut]

In my view, if you loose the pick up coil(the left coil), then you have a veljko oscillator. I know that's how you pick up extra energy in electrical system(your circuit), but cannot vision how to do it in mechanical system yet.

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No

Sorry, I don't get the circuit connection to Veljko Milkovic. VM device use light part wide swinging to move big part little swinging with more bang. Do you design use high voltage low current input to get more work at low voltage high current output?

Instead of getting HV output out of radiant oscillator transformer you try to make LV output?

Do you intend to switch coil powered with 110V/220V DC with your mechanical switch and the output is 12V?

If you use step down transformer for coil, instead of using the 12V part as primary you would be using 220V part as primary?

It would be a Bifilar wound air coil, about 10uf each, an adjustable 60-180pf capacitor parallel or series with the primary, and the secondary coil would have an RF choke to 1n4148 avramenko plug on one wire end.

And oscillating between 20-50mhz

The primary and cap will be in resonance so a small tap at the right time will keep it oscillating, like the pendulum on the milkovic pendulum. The secondary is never a closed loop so will not load the primary (much), and yet energy will be recoverable (pumped by the avramenko plug)

I think

I'll do a video once I've done some testing; I'm back at work now so not so much time to play.

Love and light

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Good point

In my view, if you loose the pick up coil(the left coil), then you have a veljko oscillator. I know that's how you pick up extra energy in electrical system(your circuit), but cannot vision how to do it in mechanical system yet.

I'll have a crack at that, if I can work out how else to pull the energy off it... Maybe a tophat capacitor to avramenko plug; but that'll be an unknown (to me) for trying to do this properly (minimizing trial and error)

Thanks for your comment

[quantumuppercut]

The secondary is never a closed loop so will not load the primary (much), and yet energy will be recoverable (pumped by the avramenko plug)

Love and light

I think you can close the loop. The effect is just loading the primary which will push more charges to the capacitor like a gravity pendulum adding more mass. That's how I see it for the past year.

Thank you too. We need more simple systems to connect things.

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question about resonant LC tank circuits

This is a small sample of values for pf and uh, at 20 and 50mhz, and the resulting impedence.

http://a5.vox.com/6a0110169c703a860d01240b65dd0d860e-pi

My question is, if I want a circuit that rings for longer (the analog to a pendulum in air as opposed to a pendulum in water), do I want higher or lower impedence?

Thanks in advance to whoever answers this

[sucahyo]

And oscillating between 20-50mhz

That's high. What will be used to drive it? Is that a coil with just a few loop?

The primary and cap will be in resonance so a small tap at the right time will keep it oscillating, like the pendulum on the milkovic pendulum.

I don't get this. Maybe because I am used to seeing spike after the power being disconnected from the primary, and this spike never bounce back to primary again.

My question is, if I want a circuit that rings for longer (the analog to a pendulum in air as opposed to a pendulum in water), do I want higher or lower impedence?

Bigger coil I think, a very big one. Or maybe with ferrite core.

[patmac]

The problem is the Law of Conservation

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I was thinking on it yesterday, if we look the veljko osc you can see the pendulum ever recycling the gravity energy and taking a part of inertial that push the gravity to the floor and send it to the OUTPUT.

I've designed a schematic thinking on it. With the first part of this schematic I've charged caps with >95% efficiency. It's a good circuit to charge capacitors. The Schematic A shows the circuit to charge capacitors with 95% EFF, then we need another circuit to try multiply the input.


Ok Now in SCHEMATIC B. We have the coil Bifillar and trying to catch the magnetic switch.

And the Last Schematic C, is more advanced this try to take a part of the first capacitor to charge another.

The only problem to try this is the potential you ever need a potential higher to try stored on battery or capacitors.

This schematics maybe works better with batteries, the problem is you need a power supply or X2 Battery to feed them and try to charge batteries on paralel because ever we need Vout > Vin to try to catch the electrical energy.

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Oscillators

@patmac - the simple schematic looks a lot like what I had in mind to oscillate. I'd have to build the others to see if they load the 'electrical pendulum'

I've been making the colpitts oscillator I posted above because I lack a signal generator, then moved to a clapp oscillator which has a variable cap before the inductor to vary the frequency of oscillations.

And I noticed I could probably incorporate the first stage into the second, much like you have in those schematics.

One thing I would point out is that the Bifilar coil is the lever's fulcrum, and using both ends of the secondary may load the primary, and essentially damp the 'electrical pendulum's' oscillations.

That being said, we're in the preliminary stages here and I could be grossly wrong

This is quite fun to think about, and a whole bunch of fun to experiment with, and I invite ppl to participate and share.

Love and light

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The oscillator part

This uses from 0.7ma to 4.4ma at 5 volts, and will push the electrical pendulum

YouTube - mhz oscillator 1 transistor

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Quarter

So far, adding more avramenko plugs increases energy collected without loading the oscillator..

But returns are at max 25%. So it's free energy at a high price.

I don't think my oscillator is in resonance, I'm getting above myself here.

If I could successfully cause an LC tank to oscillate in resonance, keeping the voltage high with each little nudge, I think I would see better returns.

So far, I'm just grabbing the lever and pulling it up and down. Need to push the pendulum instead.

more work to be done