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  • "what's their name" plan

    Originally posted by Vortex View Post
    The plan for the US is in the lower left corner of the image dated 1934.
    The clipping also shows in the lower left corner that the plan worked in Russia.
    Is it to scary that no one made any comments?
    Al

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    • Originally posted by lamare View Post
      Interesting to see how many Americans still equal "socialism" to communism, Russian and Chinese style, while to me as a Dutchmen, the term socialism is much more nuanced, like explained on Wikipedia:

      Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      "Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

      Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential. Capitalism does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public."

      So, to me, the core of socialism as described here does make a lot of sense, even though it has been abused by one and the same elite that is abusing capitalism. This is not about capitalism vs. socialism, this really is about ordinary people vs. the ruling class.
      I fully agree with your last sentence in the above quote, however it really shouldn't surprise you that Americans view socialism as something we do not want. We do have a Socialist political party here, and its popularity peaked in 1912 when party leader Eugene Debs ran for President and received 6% of the vote. But since that time the Socialist party has been unable to bring in even a mere 4%. So it is clear that Americans don't want socialism. And you are right, we do equate socialism with communism. After all, as Wikipedia also points out,

      The reason that so many immigrants left their homelands and came to America is because America offered them a chance to better their lives, and the lives of their children. A great many of those immigrants were able to accomplish their goals within one generation, because capitalism worked for them. Even today the trend continues. Just look around, and you can see countless success stories of energetic and entrepreneurial individuals who have set examples of what can be achieved when one pursues their dreams. Take Bill Gates, for example. Bill's father improved his own life by enrolling in law school under the G.I. Bill, after serving in World War II. This gave Bill junior an opportunity to attend the best schools, and that helped him to earn a SAT score of 1590 out of a possible 1600, equating to an IQ of 170. That helped him to enter Harvard University, but he later dropped out of Harvard to pursue his ambition of starting a computer software company. He saw a need, filled that need, and became fabulously wealthy doing so. Anyone in America could have done that [maximized their potential] if they had the same dream and had pursued it with the same enthusiasm and work ethic that Bill Gates demonstrated. We probably wouldn't be conversing in this forum if it had not been for Bill Gates and his vision for the future.

      Take, for another example, our current President Barack Obama. He began life as a bastard child (his Kenyan father was already married when he illegally married Barack's mother), and yet he rose from obscurity to pursue and attain his ambition of becoming the most powerful leader in the free world. And that is fine, as it demonstrates that in America anyone can become President. What isn't fine, though, is the direction in which he is leading this country - towards socialism and fascism, with aggressive power grabs designed to erode our freedoms and enslave future generations.

      What we need is less government involvement in our lives, not more. Neither of the two major political parties understand how deeply the public is disgusted with politics as usual. Republicans who think that the 2010 elections will be a bonanza for them may be shocked when large numbers of incumbents in both parties are voted out of office. Our job will be to see to it that as many incumbents as possible are kicked out, and that those we elect to fill their seats favor smaller government, lower taxes, less spending, and the restoration of freedoms as originally guaranteed in our founding documents.

      Rick
      "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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      • Everyone, even non US humans should read this. Everything the government does, simply fails. You name it, The postal system, to health care, all our stupid wars, bailouts, the list goes on and on and on again. By now it should be clear that these failures could only be planed. No one could f--- up our world this badly unless someone (the ruling class), the elite, were doing this with a purpose in mind. This purpose does not include our well being. The two party system serves one master. Revolution will be hard on us and our families and all of mankind. But it will pale in comparison to what lies ahead for free thinking people and sheeple (those not awake) if action is not taken. Those who are elitest wannabees have no clue that u are screwed too. I heard a weather reporter saying that the skys would be clear today except for the many contrails in the sky.You and your kids are breahing this crap too lol. Can we change the current system? I belive we can! All that is talked about here is an awsome start. NOW is the time to act! Get involved .And that's all I have to say about that
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        • Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
          The plan for the US is in the lower left corner of the image dated 1934. The clipping also shows in the lower left corner that the plan worked in Russia.
          It may be an old cartoon, and the names are now different, but the plan is still in use and hasn't changed one bit.
          "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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          • Originally posted by rickoff View Post
            Take Bill Gates, for example. Bill's father improved his own life by enrolling in law school under the G.I. Bill, after serving in World War II. This gave Bill junior an opportunity to attend the best schools, and that helped him to earn a SAT score of 1590 out of a possible 1600, equating to an IQ of 170. That helped him to enter Harvard University, but he later dropped out of Harvard to pursue his ambition of starting a computer software company. He saw a need, filled that need, and became fabulously wealthy doing so. Anyone in America could have done that [maximized their potential] if they had the same dream and had pursued it with the same enthusiasm and work ethic that Bill Gates demonstrated. We probably wouldn't be conversing in this forum if it had not been for Bill Gates and his vision for the future.
            Hmm. Bill Gates may be not the best example you could have picked:

            "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic
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            Bill Gates Eugenics Goals - Bill Gates Eugenics Involvement | Truth-It
            Bill Gates promises $10 billion for vaccines


            I always wonder if it is a coincidence that Bill made his fortune, because IBM became his most important client: IBM and the Holocaust home ...

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            • Originally posted by lamare View Post
              Hmm. Bill Gates may be not the best example you could have picked:
              Perhaps not, but he definitely is a prime example that illustrates my point, being that the potential reward in America for entrepreneurial genius is great, and is an available opportunity to any who who would pursue it, unlike in a socialistic society.

              Originally posted by lamare View Post
              I always wonder if it is a coincidence that Bill made his fortune, because IBM became his most important client
              It's no coincidence. Bill is a creative genius with tremendous insight and foresight. He saw a need and filled that need, then continued to create products that people would want and/or need. It's as simple as that. IBM sought out Bill Gates because of his expertise. They needed an operating system, and he provided it in the form of PC-DOS, which he offered to them for a one-time licensing fee of $50,000. He did not transfer the copyright to them though, and was wise not to. He changed the name to MS-DOS and made millions more dollars providing the system to several other computer companies.

              Bill has sometimes been criticized for investing his charitable foundation funds heavily in other companies that are sometimes seen as having operational or environmental impacts that are adverse to the poor people that his foundation is supposed to be helping. Bill's reply to that idea is that by investing heavily in those companies, he is able to reap large profits that are then given to the needy people (as of 2007, more than $28 Billion), and that his large investment in these companies also gives him voting rights that can influence company policy to improve environmental and working conditions. In other words, he's using his financial clout to buy a say in how those companies will operate, and that's a good thing.

              Along the way, Bill may get hoodwinked into helping support some charitable programs that may have devious underpinnings, such as some vaccination objectives. I do think, though, that his intent is good. Unlike other charitable trusts, Bill and Melinda Gates formed theirs as a truly transparent trust, where benefactors have full access to determine exactly how their donations are being invested and dispersed. Theirs is the world's largest transparent charitable trust.

              Rick
              Last edited by rickoff; 02-05-2010, 09:08 PM.
              "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers


                By: Bradley A. Blakeman


                Without the ingenuity of America’s brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today.

                Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers.

                Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of "open-architecture networking."

                This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet.

                These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it.

                They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to communicate with others.

                The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the Internet.

                Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing, cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.

                The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that service the Internet.

                Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.

                In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a person or entity would not have access to the Internet.

                For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States
                to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an international body such as the United Nations or even the International Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf of all nations.

                The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.

                Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on IANA.

                This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and responsibility to control and manage.

                It is in America's economic and national security interests not to relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most powerful communications network.

                What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?

                We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation that made it possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we believe in the fundamental right of free speech, and we practice a free market of commerce and ideas.

                America has always been against censorship and has shared its invention with the world without fee or unreasonable or arbitrary restriction. The user fee to operate on the Internet is not one paid to the U.S. government; a consumer pays it to private Internet companies, who provide access to the Internet through servers for their subscribers.

                Look no further than China's recent move against Google to censor the
                Internet, and you can envision what can happen when other nations less free than the United States seek to control the Internet beyond even their own borders.

                America needs to wake up. If we lose control over the management of the
                Internet, we have given away one of our nation's greatest assets with nothing
                in return to show for it.

                The Obama administration's actions will set in motion a slow and complete takeover of the Internet by the United Nations or some other equally U.S.-hostile and unfriendly international body. And once it is gone, it will be gone forever.
                "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                • A note from the Center For Individual Freedom (CFIF)

                  Millions of Americans have lost their jobs and record numbers of families are losing their homes to foreclosure, but have no fear, Barack Obama just told us how to make it through these trying times.

                  At a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Obama gave the American people a lecture on weathering the financial storm: "When times are tough, you tighten your belts. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

                  Excuse us? Does Obama really believe families suffering hardship and misfortune are buying boats and taking extravagant vacations? How dare the president lecture the American people, who are struggling just to make ends meet, when Obama himself fails to practice what he preaches? And as he chastises with one hand, he proposes even more economic hardship and misery with the other.

                  Obama’s reckless campaign of tax, borrow and spend is driving this nation over a financial cliff. According to his own administration’s latest estimates, the federal deficit for this current fiscal year alone is going to be a whopping 1.6 trillion dollars. Broken down by population, that's approximately 5,300 additional dollars of debt for every man, woman and child in the United States... and that's just for this year.

                  And to make matters worse, Obama’s proposed 2011 budget, released this week, would triple the national debt over the next 10 years. As Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI), Ranking Member of the House Budget Committee put it: " Not only is this budget worse than the last one, but it triples our debt within ten years, features gushers of tax increases, and relies on some partisan commission to do the heavy lifting on fiscal policy after the next election. Make no mistake: This is a budget aimed to advance the administration’s philosophy and ideology. By increasing taxes and letting the country spiral into debt, this budget is a firm step toward transforming America into a collectivist society overseen by a social-welfare state."
                  "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                  • And what was cash for clunkers??

                    Wasn't it a way to get Americans who own a vehicle outright and which gets them from A to B, to trade it in for a shiny new one along with the accompanied loan?

                    Obama is a lawyer. He is all talk and no action. He is very, very good at talking I'll give him that but eventually the public will wake from his rhetoric.

                    I am reading in many places that he will be a 1 term president. Time will tell.

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                    • Attached PDF file of the Constitution

                      Originally posted by Moe R View Post
                      Everyone, even non US humans should read this. Everything the government does, simply fails. You name it, The postal system, to health care, all our stupid wars, bailouts, the list goes on and on and on again. By now it should be clear that these failures could only be planed. No one could f--- up our world this badly unless someone (the ruling class), the elite, were doing this with a purpose in mind. This purpose does not include our well being. The two party system serves one master. Revolution will be hard on us and our families and all of mankind. But it will pale in comparison to what lies ahead for free thinking people and sheeple (those not awake) if action is not taken. Those who are elitest wannabees have no clue that u are screwed too. I heard a weather reporter saying that the skys would be clear today except for the many contrails in the sky.You and your kids are breahing this crap too lol. Can we change the current system? I belive we can! All that is talked about here is an awsome start. NOW is the time to act! Get involved .And that's all I have to say about that

                      Constitutional amendment is missing equating pre-election promises with automatic grounds for the impeachment and removal process of any official.
                      Al

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                      • We have talked in this thread about the many methods that the Ruling Class has used to advance their agenda while diminishing our freedom and liberties. Here's a link to a video, produced a few years ago, which puts together and documents the steps that the Ruling Class has taken, and gives clear insight as to why we are where we are today, and what we are facing if we don't put a stop to the Ruling Class plan.

                        Masters of Terror
                        In two hours, Alex Jones reveals the Globalists' master plan for world domination. In this powerful expose, Jones explains why the elite [the Ruling Class] are using manufactured terrorism to drive the populations into accepting tyranny. The Masters of Terror details the execution of the September 11th attacks and the ensuing whitewash, the cashless society control-grid, implanted microchips, mind-control, militarization of police, concentration camps, foreign troops massing on US soil, the USA Patriot Act, and Homeland Security taking over the states.
                        Last edited by rickoff; 02-07-2010, 09:29 PM.
                        "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                        • Here's a link to a website that I think you will find quite interesting. It presents a satirical, though realistic, look into the near future, with possible scenarios and outcomes affected by both the Obama administration agenda, and the people's resistance to it.

                          United States Of Earth

                          Be sure to check out the "action packed, satire-filled war game" that is found near the bottom of the page.
                          "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                          • Criminalization of free speech in America

                            From an article by Paul Joseph Watson
                            found at Prison Planet.com
                            Monday, February 8, 2010

                            Think Government Is Corrupt? You May Face 10 Years In Jail
                            Subversives who think government is corrupt and should be controlled by the people face 10 years in prison and a $25,000 dollar fine if they fail to register with authorities in South Carolina, in another chilling example of how free speech and dissent is being criminalized in America.
                            The state’s “Subversive Activities Registration Act” is now officially on the books and mandates that “Every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State.”
                            Of course, the right to overthrow a government that has become corrupt, abusive and completely unrepresentative of its electorate is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence – that’s how America came to be a Republic in the first place – advocating or teaching that the people should “control” the government via their elected representatives is a basic function of a democratic society, but this law effectively makes it a terrorist offense.
                            And further down in the article,

                            "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                            • Take this Quiz

                              Interesting quiz. When you get done look at the overall results. It is appalling how uninvolved and uninformed the electorate is. No wonder our politicians keep getting re-elected.




                              Current Events Quiz
                              "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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