The American Ruling Class

[rickoff]

Democracy is the best thing that humanity came up with until now.....

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

-- Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)


That is why our Founding Fathers gave us a Republic, rather than a democracy, why each state has 2 senators regardless of the state's size or population, and why we the people have the non-infringible right to bear arms.

[dutchdivco]

Commerce clause

The commerce clause of the Constitution has been used for some time now, as a way to justify a massive expansion of Federal powers.The Obamacare healthcare bill is just the latest and most agregious example.I'm looking forward to the Supreme Court striking down Obamacare, but I hope its not a narrow decision; I hope they also put some realistic limits on the Federal Government using this clause as justification for way oversteping their bounds.Jim

[rickoff]

Today's quotable quote

"If the people let the government decide what foods they eat, and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny."

- Thomas Jefferson (1778)

[rickoff]

The end of Liberty

I highly recommend that anyone who has not already done so should watch the video titled End Of Liberty

Much of what the video points out has been aired in this thread previously, but makes for a good review on these subjects. other subjects are also included that we haven't talked about, and which many folks probably haven't even considered. Don't be confused and think that the title of this video refers to a future possible scenario where our liberties have vanished. That isn't what this is about. Instead, the video documents how nearly all the liberties that we once took for granted have slowly eroded, and how the few remaining ones are now under attack and being systematically stripped away through unconstitutional and abusive governmental regulation and executive orders.

If you don't have a computer that can view streaming video, visit a friend or relative who does have the capability, or visit your local public or university library, or an internet cafe.

Rick

[rickoff]

Looking ahead...

With warmer weather approaching, there is no better time than now to plan for a home vegetable garden. 2011 may well prove to be the most important year ever to plant, grow, and harvest vegetables. We are rapidly approaching a state of hyperinflation, and when it begins to hit really hard, prices for all manner of food items will soar. When things get really bad, supermarkets will close and you will have a hard time finding quality food items at any price. Good planning and planting of a crisis garden this season is a wise move that I urge everyone to undertake. Even if it turns out that your garden isn't a critical factor this year in helping your family to get by, you will still reap the rewards of good tasting and nutritious, low cost food. One also should establish a well thought out and protected seed bank for their 2012 garden, and this should be done using seeds that will grow fruits and vegetables capable of bearing new viable seeds for future plantings. As you may already be aware, practically all of the commercially available seeds sold in stores are genetically modified and will not produce items with viable seeds.

Here is a link to a new e-book titled Food Shock that will help you get started with the right kind of planning:

http://www.offthegridnews.com/otgN451/Food_Shock.pdf

[dutchdivco]

Big day for me

Symbollically, at least. Today I'm getting my 1953 Spartan Imperial mansion travel trailer delivered.They are the ones that look like an airstream, but with the wrap-around window on the front.Gonna do some basic restoration, and then wife and I are moving into it, to live.Got my Postal cargo van (step van) to pull it, so our bug-out box is our house!
Got my t-shirts already, long and short; you know, for bare arms, as in they'll pry them from my cold dead fingers.Going to have a little victory garden, hydroponic, on the front porch.Solar panels on roof.Looking at doing the plasic into fuel for diesel fuel for the truck, and propane for cooking, its in another thread.I just hope I can get my **** all together, before the **** all falls apart!
Anyway, bought the trailer 6 years ago, off the I-net, and had it stored in Kentucky, so I've never seen more than pictures.its coming today, and I'm pretty pumped!! Jim

[rickoff]

Senator Rand Paul introduces proposal to cut 200 billion from budget. As he points out on the chart shown in this video, the Democrat proposal to cut 6 billion from the $1.5 trillion budget is so small that you would need a magnifying glass to even see it when compared to the size of the budget that has been proposed. He also points out that the Republican proposal to cut $60 billion doesn't go nearly far enough, and that even the 200 billion cut that he suggests is not considered enough by a public strongly opposed to excessive government spending. Watch here.

[dutchdivco]

No surprise

Any time I see any discussion of this, on the boob tube, everyone says the same thing; you can't get anywhere without tackling entitlements.Thing is, each is daring the other, to jump off the cliff first.Like 2 kids, down on the subway tracks, talking about the "3rd rail". "I'm not gonna touch it! YOU touch it!"
We've known since the 60's that the "Baby boom" was going to 'hit', and no one has had the courage to tackle it, head on.Social security is a ponzi scam, plain and simple.
I learned a long time ago; if you change the name of a government agency, to reverse the basic meaning, you'll be much closer to the truth"Social Insecurity", "Dept. of economic insecurity" ( the state dept here that distributes food stamps, unemployment, etc.)
Neither of the political parties want to tackle entitlements, cause they believe it is a career ender.They all believe what the Dems keep saying; that when you poll people in a general way, Do you want the deficit reduced? the answer is "yes", but when you get into specifics, the answer is "No, I don't want to lose my benenfit/subsidy, whatever."
I like to think the American people understand the situation better than they are given credit for by the politicians, and are willing to accept SHARED sacrifice, for the common good.
What they AREN"T willing to accept, is something like the bailout, where wall street and banks got billions, and we got,...what $400 in 'stimulas' $??
Screw that!Jim

[bugler]

The root of the problem is the monetary system scam and of course corrupted people in power positions.

Remove all that and most likely we'll see that the only sacrifice to be made is the elite benefits being extremely cut down.

There is no point in trying to fix or make sense of the system. It has to be redone form scratch.

[kcarring]

There is no point in trying to fix or make sense of the system. It has to be redone form scratch.

Perhaps Mother nature is in the process of "scratching" out our mistakes to even the playing future for the "next" human civilization.

But more seriously, I totally agree. Things have gone way to far, for way to long. Only a complete world disaster rendering nearly everything useless, excepting a man's ability to personally maintain / survive... something so huge not even money can solve... will turn the tides of greed and power.

[dutchdivco]

Archeologists say

Modern man, (biologically) as opposed to cro magnum, etc. has been on this earth for 100,000 years. The earliest evidence of 'civilisation', grain silos, is 15,000 years old.Before that, for 85,000 years, man lived as 'hunter/gatherers, in groups of less than 250, traveling 100's or 1000's of miles every year.They had little government, or specialisation, no $, no 'keeping up with the Joneses', and very little STRESS. And that is the life our bodies evolved to live.
I figure this is a 15,000 year old experiment, (Civilisation) thats about to come to an end.If we will survive, it will be as hunter gatherers once again.

When you arise in the a.m., your concerns are; what am I going to eat and drink, TODAY.Where am I going to sleep, TONITE. And how am I going to shelter from the elements, (heat in summer, cold in winter) today.And thats about it.Your possesions are few, and useful; things you can carry with you, and use to obtain what you need.

Watch the first 20 minutes or so of :The Gods Must Be Crazy"; yes, the one about the coke bottle.Its for entertainment, but the first 20 minutes, in order to set up the premise for the movie, show so very clearly, the difference between the lifestyle of 'civilised' man, and the lifestyle of the African Bushman, living on the edge of the Serrengetti desert in Africa.

The Bushman has very few stressful events, and they are spaced widely apart.The 'civilised' man has constant high levels of stress, from alarm clock in morning, to last thing at nite.Our bodies never evolved to this.It leads to adrenal fatigue, and that leads to all sorts of consequences for individuals and society.

Its an experiment, (civilisation) and its time for it to end.Jim

[Aaron]

civilization

The Bushman has very few stressful events, and they are spaced widely apart.The 'civilised' man has constant high levels of stress, from alarm clock in morning, to last thing at nite.Our bodies never evolved to this.It leads to adrenal fatigue, and that leads to all sorts of consequences for individuals and society.

Its an experiment, (civilisation) and its time for it to end.Jim

That's one of the funniest slapstick comedy movies I've seen.

I think it depends on civilization. Many indigenous groups are way more
civil than technologically advanced societies. In that sense, they are
civilized and we are not.

[dutchdivco]

I agree absolutely that

"That's one of the funniest slapstick comedy movies I've seen."
However, its also one of the most accurate depictions contrasting the lifestyles of 'civilised' man with so-called primitive societies.
Read up on "adrenal Fatigue" and the long term consequences; it effects our health, our ability to think clearly, etc.We become 'addicted' to stress, as we get into a kind of 'feedback loop'.If their is nothing stressful in our lives at the moment, we mentally 'scan the horizon' looking for potential challenges.If we see one, no matter how distant or peripheral to us, we 'gird our loins', and 'marshall our forces' and prepare to do battle.
Actually, stress is a bad word, as many will say "I'm not stressed'. A better word is challenge.Our brains become addicted to the chemicals released when we percieve a challenge or threat.
The first stage of adrenal fatigue is almost never percieved by those in it; it involves high levels of cortisol and adrenaline, ALL THE TIME.Very hard on our system.This can go on for many years, until eventually, our adrenals have a kind of 'breakdown', resulting in low levels of cortisol and sometimes aldosterone.Often this is misdiagnosed as "Fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue."
Anyway, now that I have gone thru this, and come out the other side, I see it all around me, but no one will listen, very sad.Jim

[rickoff]

NC Man Convicted for Making and Selling His Own Coins

Just 2 days ago, a federal jury convicted Bernard Von NotHaus of making, possessing, and selling his own coins. NotHaus designed and minted his high purity "Liberty Dollar" gold and silver coins and sold them to coin collectors. Many of the coins can still be found in eBay auctions. NotHaus had founded an organization called NORFED, an acronym for the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, which also became known as Liberty Services. Naturally, the Federal Reserve did not like NotHaus' ideas of making and distributing coins that actually had real value backed by their gold or silver bullion content. A 2007 FBI raid on the coinage facility in Evansville, Indiana confiscated coins and bullion valued at 7 million dollars.

Here is a TV news segment, featuring Bernard Von NotHaus, which aired in 2007 shortly after the FBI raid.

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. I would agree with that statement, however the true terrorists are actually those who operate or support the Federal Reserve system. The "legitimate currency of this country" is not Federal Reserve notes. It is strictly limited to gold and silver by the US Constitution. The banking cartel which operates the Federal Reserve has systematically worked to "undermine the legitimate currency of this country" since its 1913 debut, and has successfully devalued the US dollar by 97% over the FED's lifetime. It should be quite clear who the real terrorists are, but it is highly unlikely that we will ever see any of them behind bars. Instead, we see Bernard NotHaus accused and convicted of conspiracy against the United States. Bernard is currently out on bail and appealing the decision. A separate case regarding forfeiture of the confiscated items will resume April 4th.

US Attorney Tompkins went on to state that, “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”

Hmmmm, sounds like any organization which challenges the legitimacy of the Obama regime, unconstitutional laws passed by the US Congress, or our current and corrupt monetary system, will face certain "infiltration, disruption, and dismantling" in the guise of big brother protecting us.


On December 13, 2007, Representative Ron Paul introduced the Free Competition in Currency Act of 2007 in the U.S. House of Representatives, saying: "One particular egregious recent example is that of the Liberty Dollar, in which federal agents seized millions of dollars worth of private currency held by a private mint on behalf of thousands of people across the country .... We stand on the precipice of an unprecedented monetary collapse, and as a result many people have begun to look for alternatives to the dollar .... I believe that the American people should be free to choose the type of currency they prefer to use. The ability of consumers to adopt alternative currencies can help to keep the government and the Federal Reserve honest, as the threat that further inflation will cause more and more people to opt out of using the dollar may restrain the government from debasing the currency." The bill seeks to legalize the use of currencies — including the Liberty Dollar — that compete with the Federal Reserve's US dollar. Ron Paul has recently reintroduced this bill, along with a 2011 version of the "Audit The Fed" bill. These bills deserve our strongest efforts to force lawmakers to enact them, or to suffer defeat in the 2012 elections.

Rick

[dutchdivco]

Allready got

my preferred form of alternative currency; they are round, and metal. Some say "Smith and Wesson, Remington, etc".Every time I buy some, I'm giving someone a worthless piece of paper, and getting something 'good as gold'.Jim