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  • Originally posted by rickoff View Post


    Late night comedian Jay Leno said of the above situation, "Why is the NSA spying on the German Chancellor? She's not even an American citizen!"

    Funny, isn't it, how everyone in "government" and media is spinning the recent revelations of the NSA spying on US allies, and the rebukes coming from those allies, as being solely the fault of Edward Snowden. Those allies who are angry are not angry at Snowden, they are angry that the US "government," a once trusted ally, has allowed, and probably directed, the NSA to spy on their phone conversations. They have every right to be angry, and those in the NSA and US "government" who directed these activities, or who knew about them and did nothing to expose or prevent them, should immediately be taken out of their positions and charged criminally. Instead, the one person who did expose this is vilified as being responsible for the backlash. And what is said about those who really are responsible? Well, that is simply played down as being inconsequential by those in "government" and media who tell us that it's really no big deal because all governments do the same thing. Even Marco Rubio, the highly visible establishment Republican who masquerades as a TEA Party reformist, was heard expressing this line of crap. Are we the People thought to be so gullible that we would believe every nation on this earth, or any nation for that matter, is (or has been) tapped into and monitoring the phone conversations of Barry Soetoro/Obummer?
    So Snowdons a false flag Agent anyway IMHO .. seems clear to me! Its established what,.. if it were a court of law would be called “a precedent” .. of course we do this spying .. and ..the intrusion … doesn't every body? … silly billies!
    And wow what a precedent it is!! .. no body has the right to expect any privacy, The sucker punch is .. The free press (such as it is) gets screwed down a bit more anyway, That's happening right now here in the UK … Its with the greatest reluctance .. and all that sort of bollix our prime minister is telling us .. "what with the terrorist Islam "threat" whilst at the same time the guys issuing a “Muslim Index Bond “ not that I object to that, .. however I cant help but feel there would be no Muslim threat if the public a/ got a fair deal in their own crap hole countries and b/we stopped dropping bombs on them “brown folks”
    George Carlin on War - YouTube
    especially with these Drone things … I get the impression no ones very keen on them things .. but perhaps that just me !
    It was also asked if you (The USA) were listening in on the Brit PM ... go ahead you'll get a good bucket loads of brilliance cleverly disgused as total gibberish there
    Last edited by Duncan; 10-29-2013, 04:52 PM.
    Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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    • George Carlin on War - YouTube

      brown-nosers

      WOW MUST SEE Obama destroyed & called a war criminal in Irish Parliament WOW MUST SEE - YouTube

      Al

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      • “The threats under surveillance by the NSA are not posed by domestic terrorists who would undermine national security but by veterans, patriots, constitutionalists, Ron Paul supporters, 9/11 Truthers and others who pose a threat to the imposition of martial law by the national security state”–Jim Fetzer

        The real purpose of this massive surveillance is that all that stands behind the DHS and the imposition of a fascistic military/police state is 100,000,000 armed Americans. This sweeping and detailed spy-op is intended to identify which of those would be willing to stand up and place their lives in jeopardy for the sake of freedom and democracy. At last count, the number was 8,000,000. This is serious stuff and the DHS isn’t taking any chances.

        Most Americans and others worldwide naively assume that the National Security Agency (NSA) scandal represents an excess of zeal in attempting to track down domestic terrorists who want to attack targets in America. What they do not appreciate is:


        (a) that terrorist activity in the US is virtually non-existent, as a recent report by a subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Intelligence has officially confirmed;

        (b) that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has been faking attacks (such as Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing) to create the false impression that the threat is real, since otherwise no one would believe it; where

        (c) the real purpose of this massive surveillance is to identify Americans who would have the courage and resolution to oppose the complete transformation of America into a fascistic military/police state, which is in the offing

        NSA: Behind the Edward Snowden “smoke screen” | Veterans Today

        Al

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        • Originally posted by Duncan View Post
          So Snowdons a false flag Agent anyway IMHO .. seems clear to me!
          Why in the world does that seem so clear to you? Snowden is doing a great job of exposing exactly what goes on at the NSA, and surely the NSA and the Obummer administration would prefer not to have all their dirty laundry hung out to dry. Sure, it creates an opportunity for them to cast Snowden as a threat to our national security in hopes of discouraging other would-be whistle-blowers, but as a result of Snowden's disclosures a great many people have now awakened to a realization of who and what that threat actually is, and it sure as heck isn't Snowden. The NSA listens in on anyone and everyone they want to spy on, and that includes all the puppet politicians in Congress and the administration. They all know it, and that's why none of them would dare to even think of taking any action against the NSA.
          "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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          • Speaking of false flag attacks how many have been following this story?
            On Sept. 3 Infowars.com reported on this:

            “A high level source inside the military has now confirmed to us that Dyess Air Force base is actively moving nuclear warheads to the East Coast of the United States in a secret transfer that has no paper trail.
            The Dyess Air Force Commander authorized unknown parties to transfer the nuclear warheads to an unknown location that has been reported to be South Carolina, where the warheads will then be picked up and potentially utilized.”
            Ok that is interesting, but by itself doesn’t prove much.
            However around August FEMA was ordering these supplies for the FEMA 3 region. Which just happens to include the South Carolina.

            “Nine-week training course for UN Peacekeepers in CONUS to learn Urban Warfare, English, and US weapons systems beginning 4th week of July for 386,000 troops to be completed by October 1st;

            $11 million in antibiotics to be delivered to FEMA region III by October 1st ordered by CDC;

            FEMA purchase orders for over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Region III by October 1st;

            FEMA purchase orders for 22 million pouches of emergency water to be delivered to region III by October 1st;

            FEMA purchase orders for $13.6 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Austin by October 1st;

            2800 MRAPs must be delivered to DHS by October 1st

            And just by coincidence. US Senator Lindsay Graham was warning South Carolinians about the threat of a “terrorist nuclear attack” on the same day that Infowars was warning that nuclear warheads were being shipped to South Carolina without any paper trail.

            Then on Oct. 8 the MSM tells us that there was an “earthquake” about 260 miles off the coast but of course it was noting to worry about.


            However the seismogram signature’s of an earthquake and an explosion are noticeably different.

            The seismogram of that day was not of an earthquake!

            Later the MSM reported that Obama had fired some of our top generals, that held the highest security clearances anyone could, due to incompetence and gambling issues!

            So shall we try connecting the dots?

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            • Benghazi update

              It has now been a year since the Benghazi incident, and absolutely no one has been held accountable. It is way past time that those who knew the truth and lied, and those who issued stand-down orders resulting in four Americans being slaughtered, should be charged and prosecuted. A new petition is now up and running and gathering signatures demanding answers and accountability. You can sign it here.
              "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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              • Originally posted by rickoff View Post
                It has now been a year since the Benghazi incident, and absolutely no one has been held accountable. It is way past time that those who knew the truth and lied, and those who issued stand-down orders resulting in four Americans being slaughtered, should be charged and prosecuted. A new petition is now up and running and gathering signatures demanding answers and accountability. You can sign it here.


                Rick no offense but petitions do NOT work, they get ignored or fizzle away to the back burner and eventually forgotten. The people in power just laugh at the attempts "the People" make trying to get any answers or control over those in power.

                Unfortunately its reached the point that the only things these people in power will understand is a bullet in their head, but I don't see that happening either. Let me make it clear I am not advocating murder or criminal activity I'm just saying the extreme is the only way I see those in power understanding.

                On a side note, you spoke of no answers from the Bengazi attack yet there are hundreds of similar situations where there are no answers. Remember Gabriella Giffords the Congress woman who was shot in the head? Most people totally forgot a federal judge was killed there that day and behind his death there were some major questions that never got answered on cases he was to hear or his involvement in questionable government politics.

                Basically that was a hit on a federal Judge that was then disguised as the random act of a mental person who happen to almost kill a congresswoman. The media ran with the congresswoman as they were told while totally forgoing reporting any real information on the federal judge. it was a total coverup and an successful assassination of a potentially problematic federal judge.

                The US government is not what they appear and they want the general public to believe they are on "our" side when in fact they are a rouge criminal organization using every method at their disposal to silence the critics one at a time in stead of in mass.

                those who are fooled by the government deserve their fate along side of the government just as the German soldiers have since the end of WWII. I will go as far as saying that the US government if exposed for all they have truly done would replace Hitler deeds a hundred fold.
                Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.

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                • Originally posted by Mad Scientist View Post
                  Speaking of false flag attacks, how many have been following this story?
                  On Sept. 3 Infowars.com reported on this:
                  “A high level source inside the military has now confirmed to us that Dyess Air Force base is actively moving nuclear warheads to the East Coast of the United States in a secret transfer that has no paper trail.
                  The Dyess Air Force Commander authorized unknown parties to transfer the nuclear warheads to an unknown location that has been reported to be South Carolina, where the warheads will then be picked up and potentially utilized.”
                  I'm sure that a whole lot of people are aware of, and have been following this story. When you "connect the dots," as you say, the logical conclusion is of course that the US "government" has been preparing for massive civil chaos in FEMA Region 3, and preparing for this because they know something that most of the general population is unaware of. In other words, the public has intentionally been "kept in the dark" concerning what is expected to happen. Some would ask what reason the "government" would have to not disclose to the public what they know, and the only reasonable answer to that question is that a public disclosure of this information would cause immediate and massive chaos.

                  With the above in mind, the question then becomes what type of event is the "government" planning for that would cause such chaos if publicly disclosed. Certainly news of an impending economic collapse would do that, but it would affect the entire nation, not just FEMA Region 3. So, while economic collapse is certainly likely at some point, and might well become a surety as the result of a massive regional event, collapse itself is not the causative event in question. What then would be a logical event having dire implications for only a specific region, and what is FEMA Region 3 anyways?

                  FEMA region 3 is composed of the District of Columbia (Washington, DC), Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Delaware. These are all states which lie in a specific region of eastern US. Note that while Maryland and Virginia are states which have frontage on the Atlantic Ocean, the other states do not, and are further inland. This would appear to exclude a hurricane or tsunami event, unless of massive proportions. Thus, like economic collapse, while a massive hurricane and/or tsunami may not be entirely ruled out as resultant due to a catastrophic event, these are not very likely to be a causative factor of the event itself, and especially not ones to be known by the government so far in advance. It may be interesting to note that on October 10th FEMA advertised a Great Southeast Shakeout event, an earthquake drill planned for FEMA Region 3, which was held on October 18th. Region 3 states are prone to earthquakes, and a 5.8 magnitude quake occurred in Virginia in 2012, so a preparedness drill can not be considered strange. What is strange, though, is the obvious and massive preparations to impose martial law and deal with social chaos.

                  If we consider the story about the "government" moving nuclear weapons to South Carolina to be accurate, and also give credence to the reports that the October 8th "earthquake" centered about 260 miles off the eastern US coast may actually have been a nuclear detonation, then what sense does this make? They already know that these weapons work, and have tested them under enough varying circumstances to understand what they can or cannot do. Besides there is a nuclear test ban in place. If the purpose of the nukes is to create a false flag terrorist attack upon FEMA Region 3, the story about the nukes being moved to that area might make sense, however South Carolina is not within FEMA Region 3, so what would be the purpose of sending the nukes to that state? That question is too complicated to answer with logic, since there would be so many possible scenarios. Whatever the reason, though, since the "government" is rather obviously preparing to impose martial law upon the public, any use of weaponry is logically meant to be used against the People of Region 3. We witnessed a test of martial law exercised in Boston not that long ago, and that test was obviously successful, so now a regional test may be the next logical step. If one region of the United States can prove to be brought under such control, then of course it follows that the same would be true for other regions which would then fall in a domino effect, especially if they are made to understand that any civil disobedience or uprising in opposition to martial law will be met with serious consequences. So is Region 3 set to be made an example of to the other regions? Is that what is going on, or is there something even more ominous?

                  It is difficult to imagine anything more ominous than what is described above, however what if the catastrophic event which will be the causative factor for the other scenarios to unfold is a pending disaster of scientific certainty? What if that expected disaster would be caused by an astronomical event, such as a close encounter with Comet ISON, which will be at its perihelion (closest point to the sun during its orbit) on November 28th. There is some speculation that ISON might break up due to its interaction with the sun, and that this could cause ISON to be more of a potential threat than it already is. Even if that scenario does not occur, ISON remains a threat to our planet because of its already massive debris field which carries with it many meteorites and toxic substances. And whether or not ISON is actually the planet named Niburu, or Planet X, this doesn't matter all that much since Earth will definitely pass through the debris field. Quite interestingly, the area of our planet where the greatest potential damage from the debris field is likely to occur is in FEMA Region 3.

                  While everyone has to draw their own conclusions about what is really going on, and what we might expect to happen during the next few months, the fact remains that something big is definitely going down, and that it will not be something we will welcome.
                  "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                  • Originally posted by rickoff View Post

                    While everyone has to draw their own conclusions about what is really going on, and what we might expect to happen during the next few months, the fact remains that something big is definitely going down, and that it will not be something we will welcome.

                    I will welcome it if it means Washington D.C. takes a direct hit and along with it most of the people in government especially congress and all the other critters who have sold out the American people.
                    Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.

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                    • Ah, but

                      5150, we ALL know, (common knowledge) that the leaders you are talking about all have arrangements to be swiftly transported to a 'secure location' in the event of a 'sudden calamity'. Wonder where O'bummer and his family will be? Jim

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                      • Originally posted by dutchdivco View Post
                        5150, we ALL know, (common knowledge) that the leaders you are talking about all have arrangements to be swiftly transported to a 'secure location' in the event of a 'sudden calamity'. Wonder where O'bummer and his family will be? Jim
                        Yes I know, but the question is when a major calamity strikes and causes the threat or damage that is required for those elite bastards to use those safe bunkers while the common people take the brunt of the catastrophic disaster head on, when they emerge from those bunkers (if ever) those bastards will be considered and seen by all at that time for the truly selfish cowards that they are. The people who will have suffered and faced the disaster head-on will revolt at their cowardliness and will seek retribution, and rightfully so.

                        There will come a time and day when Karma will be dishing out banquet loads of Hot fresh "karma" and those individuals whose hearts are not right will be the first to enjoy the great banquets
                        Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.

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                        • A federal judge recently ruled the NYPD's stop-and-frisk policy violated the civil rights of minorities.

                          Of course the civil rights of whites are never violated under these same types of across the board no discrimination type of laws.



                          I'm glad the protesters caused the lecture to be cancelled.

                          Lecture canceled after Brown University protesters shout down New York's top cop

                          Lecture canceled after Brown University protesters shout down New York's top cop - U.S. News




                          In other absurd news


                          Fla. city bans guns for neighborhood watch volunteers

                          ORLANDO, Florida — The Florida city where neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin is changing the rules on how civilian patrols can operate to help prevent a recurrence and revive the program's reputation.

                          The new rules, to be released at a community meeting on Nov. 5 in Sanford, Florida, will state explicitly that residents acting under the authority of neighborhood watch may not carry a firearm or pursue someone they deem suspicious.

                          so further into the article it says this:

                          Sanford's new rules are laid out in a more detailed handbook and will require neighborhood watch groups to undergo training, register members with the police department and regularly update their status with the department, Cordingly said.

                          The unintended consequences of these new rules and regulations will simply cause many people not to volunteer in these watch programs if they have to undergo the hassle of regular training, registration, and strict oversight and keep current their rosters and addresses.

                          Most people will just say screw it if they cannot have a gun to protect themselves or if they cannot follow a suspect even if they are just keeping an eye on them. the rationalization will be that they can simply call 911 but there is no need to be all involved in such community watch programs with all the hassles

                          on a side note the Martin family and those like them are in denial that their own parenting and their sons behavior are the largest culpability factor in his death. they simply want to lay blame anywhere they can other than at their own feet.
                          Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.

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                          • Agreed 5150

                            Lets see, I can either 'join' the watch group, and have to be unarmed, undergo training, (For what? Certainly NOT 'firearms training'! Perhaps in how to dial 911?) OR, I can NOT 'join', in which case, as a 'citizen', I can still call 911, follow a suspicious individual, AND be armed. HMMmmmmm,..Tough choice!
                            And on Martin, you are so right! Details that DID come out in the press were that 'trevon' got busted for smoking dope at school. So no doubt in my mind his DAd was riding him hard, about that; hence, he was pissed off, and wanted to get away from 'razzing' when he took his walk to the convenience store. So, he was pissed, and this guy following him was someone to take out his attitude on.
                            See lots of this in malpractice suits, wrongful death suits. Family wants judge to say someone ELSE was responsible for the family memebers death, cause then it lets them 'off the hook'. Jim

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                            • Originally posted by dutchdivco View Post
                              the leaders ..... all have arrangements to be swiftly transported to a 'secure location' in the event of a 'sudden calamity'. Wonder where O'bummer and his family will be? Jim
                              I'd guess that they will conveniently be vacationing in Kenya, Barry's homeland, when the sh** hits the fan.
                              "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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                              • You name it - in every one of the many sordid events which have occurred during Barry's term in office, we are repeatedly assured that Barry knew nothing about them. And just like Barry, everyone else in his administration denies any knowledge, or foreknowledge, of these programs and events, even when anyone who takes the time to do a little research and digging can readily find they are all lying. And yet no one is ever held accountable, other than of course any non-participating whistle-blower who would expose these liars.

                                Of course the photo of John Banner, who played Master Sergeant Hans Georg Schultz in the situation comedy TV show, Hogan's Heroes, was never part of Barry's administration, although he too was often heard to say, "I know nothing! I see nothing! I hear nothing!" The difference between John Banner and the others, though, is that Banner was an actor, while Barry and his cohorts are unconvicted criminals.
                                "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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