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In response to consumer demands for uniformly sized gold items which are small enough to be used in barter, thin gold bars are now being made in strips that can be easily broken down into small squares. An example of this is the item seen here, which is comprised of 50 squares, each weighing 1 gram. Although the unbroken 50 gram strip sells for over $2,000 dollars, the individual squares would be valued at $41.63, which becomes an amount far more suitable for bartering than gold coins. Even still, though, one ounce and 1/10 ounce silver coins are in my opinion a better choice in that they offer more flexibility when bartering for items of lower value, or for use in augmenting a one gram gold piece to obtain something valued at say $50 or $60. You obviously wouldn't want to part with a second 1 ounce gold piece to obtain an item valued at $50, so use of gold alone would not be wise.
As I've pointed out in several past posts here, neither gold nor silver will likely be the smartest items to have on hand when it comes to bartering. The items that will be most in demand during a time of chaos will not be gold or silver, but rather will be survival items such as drinking water, food, medicine, first aid items, garden seeds, guns and ammo, etc. People who have stocked up on gold and silver will have something valuable in the long haul, but will find that during a crisis they will be parting with large amounts of these precious metals in order to obtain the critical items that they really need to get by on. The point in time would come when an ordinary can of Dinty Moore beef stew, which currently sells for around $2.00, will obviously be more desirable to a hungry family than a one ounce silver coin which they had purchased for around $20.00, and it may well be even more valuable. After all, would the holder of the can of beef stew, who knows that he can't eat a silver coin, be anxious to make such a trade unless the bartering agreement is decidedly, and even outlandishly, in his favor - perhaps a demand of 5 such silver coins? I think this will, in a time of chaos, be just a typical example of what people can expect to see happening if they choose to use precious metals for barter purposes. Far better, then, to use other common yet desirable survival items, such as those named earlier, in barter trades. Now is the time to stock up on such items if one hasn't already done so, as they will at some point be difficult to impossible to find, and far more costly than the current price when they are able to be found."Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff
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A few gold and or silver coins is advisable but what would make a better barter is alcohol. It has so many uses as a medical and or pleasurable use that it would be in high demand. Also can be used as a fire starter and even as a motor fuel. It will kill most germs and is a natural antibiotic and disinfectant. Cheap whiskey will do, it doesn't have to be high quality to have these properties. Any dried food or medical stuffs would be highly sought after. Anything lightweight and compact would be almost ideal. Good Luck. stealth
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Lighters
Candles
bug repellant incense
booze
cigarettes
coffee
aspirin
syringes
These items will all be very valuable and not too costly to stock up on now but will be used in barter more than you can knowObamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.
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Originally posted by Stealth View PostA few gold and or silver coins is advisable but what would make a better barter is alcohol. It has so many uses as a medical and or pleasurable use that it would be in high demand. Also can be used as a fire starter and even as a motor fuel. It will kill most germs and is a natural antibiotic and disinfectant. Cheap whiskey will do, it doesn't have to be high quality to have these properties. Any dried food or medical stuffs would be highly sought after. Anything lightweight and compact would be almost ideal. Good Luck. stealth
1. Choose not to do it.
2. Choose to do it "legally." "Legally," and "lawfully," are not the same. If something is lawful then it follows the concepts of Natural Law and Common Law, and is also in accord with our Constitution. Legalese is used by legislatures, government agencies, law enforcement officers, and judges, as a means of gaining power and control over the populace through the creation and enforcement of statutes which only have the "color of law," and which are in fact mostly repugnant to the Constitution and contrary to Natural Law and Common Law principles.
3. Choose to do it either stealthily, or in open defiance of statutes. Some amount of stealth would obviously be necessary even if doing this "legally," since roving looters would be quick to find your still if it is used where they can see it. The same is true of authorities who know that you are licensed to operate a still, and come looking for it. Why make it easy for them to confiscate what you have made and produced? If one chooses open defiance (aka "civil disobedience") of a statute that, in effect, is contrary to one's unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then of course that is a valid and lawful option. In a crisis situation, having alcohol fuel available to run a generator and provide electricity for heat, lighting, refrigeration, and water pumping, could well mean the difference between surviving, or not surviving, an extreme situation, so can be considered as critical to maintaining and exercising one's first unalienable right - the right to life. Your unalienable right to liberty gives you the right to engage in any activity that you deem as useful and/or necessary, as long as exercising this activity causes no harm to others. Alcohol production for use as fuel and antiseptic would harm no one unless produced or used in an unsafe manner, so naturally it is of paramount importance to ensure that is not possible. The unalienable right to pursuit of happiness is also to be considered in alcohol production, since it should become rather obvious that in a chaotic situation where gasoline fuel and electric power are not likely to be available, and even under normal circumstances, those who have the ability to produce their own alcohol fuel will be much happier than those who do not."Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff
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Originally posted by rickoff View Postthose who have the ability to produce their own alcohol fuel will be much happier than those who do not.
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Rick,
Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.
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Originally posted by 5150 View PostRick,
Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?
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Originally posted by 5150 View PostRick,
Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?
The components for a larger distiller can rather easily be fashioned from two containers, a copper coil, and just a few other items. One container should be a fairly large metal container, such as an aluminum beer keg for example, which can either be heated on a propane burner or over a wood stove. Fermented mash, which could be made from rotting apples or potatoes, some water, and sugar as an example, would normally be fermented until no sugar is detected (about 9 or 10 days), then loaded into the metal container and heated until steam is created. Alcohol has a lower boiling point than water, so is first to turn to steam. A pipe runs from the top of the metal container to another similar or larger sized container which can be a plastic one, since it is filled with cold water. Inside this container is a copper coil which connects at the upper end to the pipe running from the metal container, and to a spigot at the lower end, where the product exits the plastic container. As the steam passes through the copper coil it condenses to a liquid state because of the cooling effect of the cold water the coil is immersed in.
The first pass-through operation will yield an alcohol product that will in fact burn if lit, but will also be partially diluted by water steam that also condensed. A second pass-through, using only the first-pass product, will yield pure alcohol if one monitors the process closely to ensure that the alcohol processing is shut down before any water steam is passed between the containers. The water steam can be condensed and collected into a separate vessel, of course, to obtain purified drinking, cooking, and cleaning water, though you wouldn't want all of the water to turn to steam as the metal container used for boiling the liquid would then be damaged as it runs dry.
The 2nd pass product (ethanol) can be used as is for most purposes, but when used in a gas engine it is wise to either add in gasoline as 20% of the fuel mix, or add in some form of lubricant such as Marvel Mystery Oil or even outboard motor oil. That's because pure alcohol is very dry, burns hot, and offers no lubricating quality of its own. Gasoline has lubricating additives which are added in at the refinery for the purpose of protecting engines from dry heat damage, and this was the reason for adding lead before lead additives were banned.
In a chaotic situation when gasoline probably won't be available, it makes more sense to add in your own choice of lubricant, and of course that means maintaining an adequate supply of such lubricants to meet your expected needs. Both of the ones that I mentioned will lubricate well without fouling spark plugs when mixed with the alcohol in a 20:1 ratio (20 parts alcohol to 1 part lubricant). So, in other words, you would need to add one gallon of lubricant to 20 gallons of ethanol. You can stretch that to a 25:1 or 30:1 ratio if the spark plugs do indicate any amount of oil fouling, but I wouldn't advise going much higher than that unless you use Maxima 927 racing oil, which is formulated from castor oil and synthetics and is used in alcohol powered race cars at a 45:1 ratio. A good quality lubricant isn't exactly going to be cheap (especially if it is Maxima 927 at $35 a gallon), but since you would be making ethanol at a cost of pennies per gallon compared to what you now pay for gasoline (or would have to pay for it during chaotic times, if available), the resulting fuel cost with the lubricant added in would be minimal in comparison.
About the only drawback to alcohol production is the capability to ensure that one always has an available supply of rotting apples, potatoes, or other such fruits or vegetables which work well in the process. During good times, it's not difficult to make deals with grocery stores to buy their spoiling fruits and veggies on the cheap, and some are happy just to have you haul them away. In a time of chaos, when grocery stores won't be operating, you'd need to have an alternative way to supply what you need. Those living in the countryside and having a crop field, as well as those who don't own such a field but can make a deal with someone who does, can grow a bountiful crop of potatoes to be used both as a food item and for alcohol production. If the potatoes for eating are stored in a
cool, dry place, they will last through the winter months, and those kept in more warm and humid conditions will quickly become well suited for alcohol production.
To further answer your question, no I'm not currently operating an alcohol still but do have materials and know how for constructing and using one. I also have wood-gas production resources, as well as water power and wind power resources readily available. That's an advantage of living where I do, and I know that most people will not have such resources available to them when the SHTF. Thus, those who do prepare for worst case scenarios need to consider what application will make sense for their situation.
RickLast edited by rickoff; 05-09-2015, 07:22 PM."Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff
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Thank you Rick for your response,
Both for the actual response and the detailed explanation because I learned something new. I really never paid attention to stills before or gave them thought, much less to how they work so again you've taught me something here
now where the drinksObamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.
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Almost anything that rots or ferments can be used in alcohol preparation. Wood, grass, flowers, grains, fruits, vegetables and leaves. Although the more starch and sugar contained in these products, the higher the proof/octane alcohol can be produced. Although sugar or cane or beets can be added to increase sugar content. Theoretically, you could run a still and a wood gasifier off the same burning wood barrel if set up right. In a perfect world you could also use the water/steam as heat in a recirculating system for you home or garage use using a heater coil from an automobile. One heat source could provide for multiple uses in a multiple setup unit. It would require much work and experimentation but you could enjoy many benefits from such a unit. Also there is the left over wood from the wood gas process which could be used for charcoal water purification and or soil enhancing media for growing vegetables. Also a good vegetable press could give you the oil needed to add to your alcohol fuel. Good Luck. stealthLast edited by Stealth; 05-10-2015, 10:52 PM.
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Originally posted by 5150 View PostThank you Rick for your response,
Both for the actual response and the detailed explanation because I learned something new. I really never paid attention to stills before or gave them thought, much less to how they work so again you've taught me something here
now where the drinks
Like Stealth says, practically anything that grows and will rot can be used in your mash mix, it's just that the items which are naturally higher in sugar content will be most desirable because they will be the most productive. One doesn't have to add any sugar to the mix to produce alcohol, but doing so will always ensure a higher concentration of alcohol in the mix, and thus a larger volume of alcohol being produced. The temperature during fermentation is another important consideration, and the fermentation container should be kept in an area where the temperature is at least 70 degrees. A higher temperature than that will speed up the fermentation process, allowing more alcohol to be produced in a shorter period of time.
If one plans to use some of the alcohol production to fuel a gas engine then it is very important to add a clean, low viscosity oil to the alcohol as I mentioned earlier. Another thing to consider is that a gas engine running on alcohol will run best if the volume of fuel being consumed is about 30 to 40 percent higher than when the engine is run on gasoline. To achieve this in a carbureted engine, either the carburetor jets can be drilled larger or the choke valve can be adjusted partially closed. In an engine that uses electronic controls to regulate fuel flow, the controls must be tricked into assuming that too much air is in the air/fuel mixture (too lean). A simple modification to the Oxygen sensor circuit will take care of that, thus calling for a richer mixture.Last edited by rickoff; 05-11-2015, 04:53 PM."Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff
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Quotable quote of the day....
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
In this time we live in, when more and more people either become unemployed through no fault of their own, or choose to be unemployed because living on the government dole is a more attractive choice than working, the numbers of those who remain working becomes fewer and fewer. Those who do choose to live on the dole probably think that the government can afford to keep giving them all these handouts, and that government is a wonderful benefactor. They don't stop to think and to wonder where the government obtains the resources which are being doled out. Those who do remain working believe that the huge income tax burden that they carry on their backs is what pays for the benefits that those on the dole are receiving. It does seem logical to think this way, as where else would the funds come from to cover the cost of those benefits? Well, the truth of the matter is that none of the taxes that taxpayers give to the IRS is paying for social programs. That's right, and it isn't going towards any other item in the federal government budget either.
Since 1913, none of the Income Taxes collected from the People of America by the Private IRS has ever gone to the US Federal Government. So where then do these taxes go?
- 67% of all Income Taxes Collected in the US by IRS are Paid Directly to the Crown in London.
- 23% are paid to the 300 Shareholders of the US Federal Reserve ( Private Bank ).
- 10% are paid to the employees of the IRS to keep the IRS Operational.
The Crown is not the British Monarchy, as most are led to believe.
The Crown is the City of London,which is a private sovereign country located in the heart of London and owned by the Vatican. The Crown is similar in setup to Vatican City in Rome, which is a sovereign state located in Rome but has nothing to do with Rome or Italy. The Crown is the creator of the world's artificial banking system and artificial legal system called the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC).The Crown is also the major shareholder of the International Monetary Fund and the US Federal Reserve.
The IRS is a Private Company owned by the Crown (City of London) and is incorporated in Puerto Rico. The IRS has nothing to do with the constitutionally created Government of the People of the united States of America.
So if all of the income tax is going to these corrupt bankster organizations then where does the funding come from to pay for highways and infrastructure? Roads and Infrastructure in the US are paid for from taxes collected as State Housing Taxes, as well as Excise Taxes collected on Alcohol, Tobacco, Gasoline etc., etc.
And where are funds sourced to operate the Federal US Government?
- Black budget and off-book transactions. There are two accounting books: one for the public domain, and one true book for internal use (the "good ole boys" club) eyes only. See the below 5 minute video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=zwvq_JKVcdI"Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff
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Originally posted by rickoff View PostYou're quite welcome. Of course, even in my rather long explanation, I only revealed the basics that anyone could use to get started with alcohol production. There is more to it, which can either be learned through trial and error, or by doing some research to learn the best techniques. For example, the fermenting process - which normally takes about 9 or 10 days or so, should be monitored to detect sugar levels. Boiling the fermented mix shouldn't be done until the sugar level is barely detected, as this is when the alcohol level will be highest. One can purchase an electronic hydrometer for such testing purposes, but a simple glass hydrometer, such as the Brix hydrometer shown in this video, will also work very well and would be far more desirable to have during a chaotic period of time caused by an EMP event that would fry electronic devices. The fellow in the video is testing the sugar content in a soft drink, but the procedure is the same when monitoring sugar levels in a mash mix.
Like Stealth says, practically anything that grows and will rot can be used in your mash mix, it's just that the items which are naturally higher in sugar content will be most desirable because they will be the most productive. One doesn't have to add any sugar to the mix to produce alcohol, but doing so will always ensure a higher concentration of alcohol in the mix, and thus a larger volume of alcohol being produced. The temperature during fermentation is another important consideration, and the fermentation container should be kept in an area where the temperature is at least 70 degrees. A higher temperature than that will speed up the fermentation process, allowing more alcohol to be produced in a shorter period of time.
If one plans to use some of the alcohol production to fuel a gas engine then it is very important to add a clean, low viscosity oil to the alcohol as I mentioned earlier. Another thing to consider is that a gas engine running on alcohol will run best if the volume of fuel being consumed is about 30 to 40 percent higher than when the engine is run on gasoline. To achieve this in a carbureted engine, either the carburetor jets can be drilled larger or the choke valve can be adjusted partially closed. In an engine that uses electronic controls to regulate fuel flow, the controls must be tricked into assuming that too much air is in the air/fuel mixture (too lean). A simple modification to the Oxygen sensor circuit will take care of that, thus calling for a richer mixture.
Thanks again but you know what it just sounds like a lot of farking work, I'll just stick to growing weed in undisclosed places and roll that ship up and smoke it, then when the world is crashing around me I won't give a fark.Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.
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