Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ilandtan]

it's not about what you believe or what i believe ! it's about how the things fit together ... i told you a very large current can be produced using an ETBC but you still tell it a dead end !!!!

frankly very strange!

anyway ..


regards

You can have very large instantaneous currents at a capacitor discharge, but power is based on sustainable current (coulombs per second?).

Yeah if you can show us that, then you got something. But flashing bulb is no good.

[med.3012]

Sorry I don't believe in the EBTC direction, you just aren't going to convince me of it's significance. I've seen you post that stuff before, you should almost create your own thread for it, because Don Smith said nothing about manufacturing his own Capacitor design.

The only thing I have read that can be linked to Don Smith is his three pancake coil device.

I am just not sure of the way you are stitching it all together giving life to a dead end by associating it with Don Smith, because it has similar concepts.

A house, a boat, a table, all have wood in common but are fundamentally different.

it's not about what you believe or what i believe ! it's about how the things fit together ... i told you a very large current can be produced using an ETBC but you still tell it a dead end !!!!

frankly very strange!

anyway ..


regards

[ilandtan]

Sorry I don't believe in the EBTC direction, you just aren't going to convince me of it's significance. I've seen you post that stuff before, you should almost create your own thread for it, because Don Smith said nothing about manufacturing his own Capacitor design.

The only thing I have read that can be linked to Don Smith is his three pancake coil device.

I am just not sure of the way you are stitching it all together giving life to a dead end by associating it with Don Smith, because it has similar concepts.

A house, a boat, a table, all have wood in common but are fundamentally different.

[med.3012]

If we agree the source of electric power primarily is the magnetism ( induction ) , in the bar magnet we have what we know a Block wall :




Gaussmeter show you all the power is radiated back, the question now is it possible to have such Bloch wall in a coil with alternating current ?

the answer is Yes ! i did some experiment show it's possible , take the following drawing which explain an ETBC under action, it's possible to take the power from * position even it's already short circuited !

another better drawing show it clearly :



the explanation : it's possible to separate the electron based on their spin in an active coil which mean we have a kind of dynamic magnet ( not permanent because you have to flip the electron back and forth ) ..
this also mean it's possible to convert very high voltage to very high electric current , or better in a resonating system we can convert the current ( reactive ) as it's already in an active state.. we have to treat the electricity in a balanced way and this is what a gaussmeter show us ..

[ilandtan]

Hi Guys,
Yes, the plasma tube seems to be an oddity. The video is not very clear, but, I am guessing he made this tube up himself! Don, I feel, would construct individual items for the sole purpose of satisfying himself that they worked. He has modded the internal power supply and built a tube which he had filled with gas. I suppose there may have been tubes back in the 1990's, all the people I have spoken to who say they know about plasma globes, tell me that Tubes do not exist and did not exist. Only Globes or Balls. Quirky though using it as a wireless source. Also, note he tells the other person not to touch it!! Plasma Globes touching is part of the mystique. So his was dangerous!

Regards

Dwane

Plasma tube here.

but remember, Don called out a specific globe from Radio Shack, before you do buy and expensive tube, just get a round one with a gauss meter, and frequency meter.

Gentlemen, what are we left with here, always assuming that Don is building special devices because we can't figure out how he gets power from them?

We don't know how to use his tools, we don't know the significance of grounding, we can't explain the simple video( well I can I just have to prove it)

[med.3012]

Med, Do you have a Gaussmeter? I don't think you do, It shows you more than that.

And because of that you are(and I was previously) looking for treasure in a different island.

i don't have a Gaussmeter, i agree any piece of measurement is good but does Nicola Tesla worked with a Gaussmeter ,jean Bedini , Moray , ?????

we may find different way to the same goal , just show us what you have !!!

regards

[ilandtan]

No ! actually Don smith had several devices ... he also talk about several things happen in his device ...

1- left / right hand electrons spin
2- perpendicular magnetic field

take his own words from his PDF :

The Invention is a new and useful departure from transformer generator
construc¬tion, such that radiated and wasted magnetic energy changes into useful
electrical energy. Gauss Meters show that much energy from conventional
electromagnetic devices is radiated back into the ambient background and wasted


Gauss Meters show him the power is wasted and can be extracted back as walter russell explain in his book, there's always two kind of electric force exist together all the time which try to neutralize each other and return to the lowest state ... or equilibrium , what Don Smith success is introducing this lowest state exactly in his device !! so it's possible to convert one inactive state ( reactive power as an option .. ) to active power can do huge useful work !!

Med, Do you have a Gaussmeter? I don't think you do, It shows you more than that.

And because of that you are(and I was previously) looking for treasure in a different island.

[Dwane]

Plasma Ball

Hi Guys,
Yes, the plasma tube seems to be an oddity. The video is not very clear, but, I am guessing he made this tube up himself! Don, I feel, would construct individual items for the sole purpose of satisfying himself that they worked. He has modded the internal power supply and built a tube which he had filled with gas. I suppose there may have been tubes back in the 1990's, all the people I have spoken to who say they know about plasma globes, tell me that Tubes do not exist and did not exist. Only Globes or Balls. Quirky though using it as a wireless source. Also, note he tells the other person not to touch it!! Plasma Globes touching is part of the mystique. So his was dangerous!

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

As p75213 said, some of his devices don't have coils, and if you looked at his Don Smith quotes, he didn't need it, he just had to have the flux present and another piece of test equipment (look for it).

Doesn't that mean you are chasing the wrong rabbit Med?

No ! actually Don smith had several devices ... he also talk about several things happen in his device ...

1- left / right hand electrons spin
2- perpendicular magnetic field

take his own words from his PDF :

The Invention is a new and useful departure from transformer generator
construc¬tion, such that radiated and wasted magnetic energy changes into useful
electrical energy. Gauss Meters show that much energy from conventional
electromagnetic devices is radiated back into the ambient background and wasted


Gauss Meters show him the power is wasted and can be extracted back as walter russell explain in his book, there's always two kind of electric force exist together all the time which try to neutralize each other and return to the lowest state ... or equilibrium , what Don Smith success is introducing this lowest state exactly in his device !! so it's possible to convert one inactive state ( reactive power as an option .. ) to active power can do huge useful work !!

[ilandtan]

Hi !

Yes this is very interesting phenomena, i tried some experiments with plasma globe but i don’t have such axial long shape, in my opinion the secondary coil have to be in tune with the primary coil, in case of plasma we don’t have a coil .. it’s an open system radiate a huge magnetic flux , maybe he implemented some kind of piezoelectric effect ..i can’t see how he use the energetic balance in such plasma tube ?!

Maybe an artificial magnetic field can help in his plasma device, most experiment show there’s a little power extracted with plasma system..

in my part i have to stick with coil system .. maybe we could find an easy setup !

regards

As p75213 said, some of his devices don't have coils, and if you looked at his Don Smith quotes, he didn't need it, he just had to have the flux present and another piece of test equipment (look for it).

Doesn't that mean you are chasing the wrong rabbit Med?

[med.3012]

Just go through Don Smith's posts and read what he says about gauss. It is a measurement of moving magnetic flux - flux density. I measured a plasma globe, and Don Smith, is correct: Near 400 milligauss. Why is that so important to Don? How did he get energy from a plasma globe?

I look at this video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmfaYuRtmc&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

How is he getting that much spark from a plasma globe? If you wrap the entire plasma glass with tin foil, and you take a wire to ground you will see a tiny spark.

Where there is that much spark from a coil, there is magnetic energy, and that could fill a capacitor through a diode bridge.

Hi !

Yes this is very interesting phenomena, i tried some experiments with plasma globe but i don’t have such axial long shape, in my opinion the secondary coil have to be in tune with the primary coil, in case of plasma we don’t have a coil .. it’s an open system radiate a huge magnetic flux , maybe he implemented some kind of piezoelectric effect ..i can’t see how he use the energetic balance in such plasma tube ?!

Maybe an artificial magnetic field can help in his plasma device, most experiment show there’s a little power extracted with plasma system..

in my part i have to stick with coil system .. maybe we could find an easy setup !


regards

[ilandtan]

please explain the point !


regards

Just go through Don Smith's posts and read what he says about gauss. It is a measurement of moving magnetic flux - flux density. I measured a plasma globe, and Don Smith, is correct: Near 400 milligauss. Why is that so important to Don? How did he get energy from a plasma globe?

I look at this video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmfaYuRtmc&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

How is he getting that much spark from a plasma globe? If you wrap the entire plasma glass with tin foil, and you take a wire to ground you will see a tiny spark.

Where there is that much spark from a coil, there is magnetic energy, and that could fill a capacitor through a diode bridge.

[med.3012]

Med,

Trust me my friend ---get a gaussmeter, it's only 30 USD. And you will see the way you introduce a standing wave matters.

please explain the point !


regards

[ilandtan]

not only the capacitor but the coil too , hiding this kind of capacitor inside a coil give you a lot of choice .. the ETBC have to work in equilibrium, current flow isn't needed in the ETBC, it's needed only the first time with strong reactive current, electron spin give you instantly the needed voltage through the induced rotating electric field .. the result is a powerful reactive current converter !!!

try it with very high voltage and you can see most diode in the secondary will be damaged..


regards

Med,

Trust me my friend ---get a gaussmeter, it's only 30 USD. And you will see the way you introduce a standing wave matters.

[med.3012]

I honestly think you are not looking at the most important thing about capacitors, and the EBTC may be perfect for this. The plate energy stays once you disconnect it. So if you have a way of depleting only one side, the other side will restore the equalization of the the plates. Think of this, if you blasted one plate with an EMP, those electrons would be pushed off, and the vacuum created would be replaced by the ambient. If you push blast it in one direction (diode) and replenish from another (diode) through a load to ground. You should be able to create current flow. A large capacitor would be perfect. Maybe that is what happens in a nuclear EMP pulse, it creates such a terrific inrush, that most devices are devastated.

Look it up, it basically says that the magnetic field of the Earth matters to amount of damage area affected. Why is that?

Don't think that that it's just a simple relationship with magnetic = coils and electrical = capacitors. You are stating a truth, but over simplifying, like saying all candy is chocolate.

not only the capacitor but the coil too , hiding this kind of capacitor inside a coil give you a lot of choice .. the ETBC have to work in equilibrium, current flow isn't needed in the ETBC, it's needed only the first time with strong reactive current, electron spin give you instantly the needed voltage through the induced rotating electric field .. the result is a powerful reactive current converter !!!

try it with very high voltage and you can see most diode in the secondary will be damaged..


regards