Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Slovenia]

Focussed Thread

The thread is focussed again. Good!!

[mr.clean]

i miss Zilano, had so much info

The thread is focussed again. Good!!

So not to get so quickly sidetracked, what exactly happened with Zilano/Zilana ?

Prob got fed up with naysayers, cant be blamed

Its great to have input of any kind, but especially from knowledgable people.

[Slovenia]

What Happened?

She didn't say anything other than the post I posted earlier today was her final release or something to that fact. She then answered a few questions over the next several days and then was gone. My personal opinion is that she thought she had helped us all she could and was finished sharing. She figured we had mr.clean & Vrand here to help I guess if we needed any help since they had an understanding of the device. I also felt that she was here to help those who would help themselves and didn't much care about whether the lurkers got anything or not. I don't think she was afraid of MIB. She took a lot of crap from a few fools and always had a soft answer for them. She is missed!!!

So not to get so quickly sidetracked, what exactly happened with Zilano/Zilana ?

Prob got fed up with naysayers, cant be blamed

Its great to have input of any kind, but especially from knowledgable people.

[Peculian]

food for thought

Hi all & @ Mr.Ceal > nice yo have you back

Thanks from me to P.J.K and other contriboutors at this amazing thread
here I would like to introduce an interesting article I `found` around the nets
Moray Oscillator Tube
there you go folks.
It`s interesting the schematic at page 9 - it is similar to Zelina`s device
somehow.
What are you thoughts about this ?
Waiting your input guys & gals.

[GSM]

Not sure what kind of tube Zilano referred to.
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[JohnStone]

Not sure what kind of tube Zilano referred to.
XOP750, XOP1500 Strobe Flash tubes lamps - Stroboscope flicker 1000w 750w
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Unfortunately all these schemtics have a lot of variables and tuning is different depending on components available.
(Please note that I am still in the beginning of experiments but I share my knowledge early. These notions might be incomplete as long as they are not proved by experiments. I want you to be able to decide how to procede.)
The tube will be prepared by ionisation by means of DC (or pulse) increasing while charging the parallel capaacitor. Later on the SCR gives way for the current to flow. You need to select a tube self triggering (decreasing with rising temperature) below your HV DC (or pulsed) (350V) else the SCR has no effect.
The SCR performs as pricise controllable valve in order to not depend on the highly variable und unreliable spark conditions.
Please make wires short (low inductance) and thick (low resitance) else you will not get sudden current inrush and not high current shocks. You will get currents up to 100A so compute if your loss of volts wire adds additional 0.1 Ohm.

If you have the HV DC variable you can increase the voltage up to the self trigger of your selected flash tube. The SCR needs to be rated to this selected voltage.

If your HV PSU emits pulses and not DC you need to have the trigger properly synchronized to occure at the end of HV pulse when capacitor charged.

Some of Zilan's schematics seem to use 2 diodes with 2KV trigger pulse. The Korean patent definitely makes use SCRs and diode.

The Korean patent seems to say that at the end of cycle the capacitor is charged again but I can not figure out if it is done by the backlash out of the resonant circuit or solely by the 230V PSU.

The Korean patent seems to say that the puls frequency should conform to resonant frequncay becaue of eficiency (not shure).

[duff]

Here is Mr. Clean's part-20b schematic.
Hopefully this is accurate.

Mr. Clean please verify.
I'll make corrections if there is a problem.

[a.king21]

resonance and earth ground

I've had a look at some of Tesla's patents re transmitting energy. He states that for resonance we have to include the wire length to ground as part of our calculations re L/4 tuning. So it appears that the wire length has to be the first consideration. Then wind the coils, and leave a bit over for the connections. It confirms what Zilano says. We are looking at L1 transmitting to L2, and not behaving like an induction device in conventional transformer theory. In conventional induction the L1 to L2 coupling would have to be close. In Tesla it is a loose coupling. Because to get ou resonance is so hard, ie the sweet spot is very delicate to find, this bit of info may make the difference between ou or not. I have a feeling we have been close but only tuned into harmonics before. This bit of info may be the criticial bit of missing evidence. Who hasn't thought that the earth ground connection is of no real tuning consequence? I know it fooled me before I re-read Tesla's patent. This could be the missing piece in the jigsaw.

[Duncan]

Thanks for the help Duncan! COIL PORN! What to buy! lol

What caps have you gone for?

Many thanks to Zilano, Patrick, Slovenia and everyone else too!

Hi everything about this needs to be a bit special .. after all there’s a relatively high frequency and high voltage, effectively a Tesla coil, And attracting the Aether in the form of “a sort of scalar radio wave” which was focused and widely used at the turn of the century as a radio system because its much faster and far more efficient than any system we now use in fact no loss.. all the Technology has been suppressed and the Tesla type transmitters destroyed both at Sutton Coldfield in the UK and Bolinas in the USA. The Technology not surprisingly is well understood by tptb and the military who have used it to their own advantage in all sorts of ways for years, It is the physics and mathematical engineering of this wave that is preventing the scribblers getting at the basic design parameters of this construct,It has never been taught and none of the academics are allowed to own it..The builders of course just make it variable and experiment, EPD Tried very hard to keep the remains of the last big station that used this Technology intact as a huge and important part of American heritage and a testimony to the giant that was Tesla, He was very badly beaten, attacked in every way possible, and financially destroyed, all the local employers were warned off Eric and so he ended up trying to protect this lump of Americas heritage alone whilst trying to live in his car which had been smashed. A brave and focused man! http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...%20Dollard.pdf
he's still very much in dire trouble and so if you can help the guy a bit do so here https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...fd6c338b1d9d60

Eric is one of the few people in the world who could immediately mathematically engineer the parameters of a linear wave and a herzian wave at resonance but not surprisingly there is only so much he dare (or is allowed) to say if we were the US Navy it might well be a different matter (as he says himself).. In short we must say thank you very much Eric and then paddle our own canoe,
Ah .. I drift these caps ..most important to try and get the right type or else you could end up sharing your kitchen table with a few bombs please watch this thegeekgroup's Channel - YouTube which sort of takes care of the front end . The power supply end isn’t so easy , I have a fair few of these https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q...0/DSCF0162.JPG
which I have bought over the years which I intend to mix and match and experiment with (just like Mr Clean is having to do) big and beefy seems to be the way here .. its what Don has done and Mr Clean... look for pulse rated at the front end if possible and try to obtain more of a small value perhaps 0.001 uf (it gives you more experimental options) if moneys no option at all (which it is for me ) consider a surplus HV vacuum diode... that way you can by trial and error get right on the button …. Hope that all helps a little right or wrong... of course I am obliged to say DONT BUILD THIS, ITS SUISIDAL AND ONLY EVER CONSIDERED BY ESCAPED LUNATICS EVERY THING IS AT YOUR OWN RISK
Best wishes Duncan

[JohnStone]

... In conventional induction the L1 to L2 coupling would have to be close. In Tesla it is a loose coupling. ....

Interesting to read this. My (conventional) resonance measurements show a too close coupling at Don's device. It's like bolting a big block of iron to another and you get another resonat frequency different from both mesured before because auf the added mass and elasticity.

[JohnStone]

Here is Mr. Clean's part-20b schematic.
....

Thanks very much
1.
Do I get it right? The ignition coils are coupled to spark schematic by avramenko plug method? So there is no closed loop between ignition coils and spark / L1. I have no imagination how this affects exactly the spark circuit. (Just my lag in knowledge and experimenting.)

2.
In the spark schematic there is no protection in order to prevent the current to flow forth and back. Energy can oscillate with resonant frequency up to the point where energy is burned out. Tesla requested this not to happen! Capacitor C1 is part of the resonant circuit via the spark gap.
There is a unknown probability that I am right (mesurement possible?). If yes: may I suggest to test an additional diode between capacitor C1 and spark gap? C1 is the capacitor Tesla was saying that it increased the effects of spark considerably. But that was not member of resonant circuit. (my notion) So leave C1 there add a diode between C1 and sprak and add another capacitor directly at the L1 coil for resonant adjustment.

As I do not know how AV plug works this measure suggested could inhibit ist's action. Suggestions welcome.


Please do not vote this as critics! I am amazed of Kurt's work. I try to understand!

[Duncan]

@ King and John .. This is a bit to rich for my blood and it might be a bit slow downloading as its on my server but I suspect if you read this and then imaginge what resonance may be like in these "altered" conditions it might seem a bit clearer(I hope) http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b2/Eri...tric Waves.pdf regards Duncan

[Slovenia]

Nice!!

Good job Duff!!

Here is Mr. Clean's part-20b schematic.
Hopefully this is accurate.

Mr. Clean please verify.
I'll make corrections if there is a problem.

[cinan]

Error

Here is Mr. Clean's part-20b schematic.
Hopefully this is accurate.

Mr. Clean please verify.
I'll make corrections if there is a problem.

I think there is error. See corrected picture in att. There is also alternative for ignition coils from + line...

Cinan

[Slovenia]

FYI: Engineer's Synopsis

Engineer's Synopsis of Zilano's Final Disclosure Circuit:

I had a look at Zilano's last post. It looks like a very subtle, really difficult to replicate circuit. It starts out with a 350V DC power supply with over-voltage protection with a 350V varistor - no problems there.

Next, is a diode feed to a Gas-Discharge Tube style spark gap - no problem there.

But, the GDT feeds two unspecified diodes back to back (which is a most unusual arrangement) along with the claim that this arrangement produces 2000-volt pulses. Where those 2000V pulses come from is not immediately obvious to me. Perhaps it is the peculiar L1 coil arrangement with one (unspecified) parallel capacitor and one (unspecified) serial capacitor which create the pulsing through self-oscillation and back-EMF spikes - who knows? - not me.

The L2 and L3 are no problem. L2 will be padded with a small capacitor (not shown) in order to resonate with whatever L1 frequency happens to occur with the dog's dinner around the GDT. L3 has just a few turns in order to generate high-frequency 3.5-volt AC which is rectified to replace the input battery.

It's anybody's guess as to what the L2 output voltage would be. A considerable amount of experimentation might get the circuit working. It is a very neat and subtle circuit, made difficult to replicate due to it's subtlety and lack of possible components being specified.

I don't think that Zilano was improving the design as a very early post mentioned the 350V option it was a case of deciding when to release the information.