Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[boguslaw]

Remember that Don clearly says in his plate capacitor demonstration, that if you have pulsing HF HVDC (Not AC) to the plate, you can drive a motor between the other plate and Earth ground.

There is a picture in the Smith.PDF where he shows the swing of metal balls, and I always imagine that illustration, but I think he is NOT illustrating resonance. He is showing the concussion impacts of waves in the counterspace.

No. You have to have a single plate insulated from ground. Or any surface able to store charge. Then you have to find a way to make it charged (secret one) , make it "into" two plate capacitor (secret two) , make positive feedback aka parametric resonance (secret three) and so on. It's a bucket full of secrets. Those who find the answer , found just the method to self-control the secrets to work together.

Let me recall Tesla's words: "It was evident to me that wireless transmission of energy, if it could ever be accomplished, is not an invention; it is an art. Bell's telephone, Edison's phonograph, or my induction motor were inventions, but the wireless transmission of energy is an art that requires a great many inventions in combination. "


imho, secret one resembles very closely the way we statically charge by induction

[ilandtan]

well IMO electricity is not just electron flow.

and capacitive coupling is what you have on don smith's experiment to ground.

resonance isn't really that "magical" it's very simple as pushing the swing at the right time..
in a transformer induction at the right time.

DC isn't really that different than AC. AC is just "Alternating Direct Current".

it doesn't pass through a capacitor. what powers the circuit is something don smith demonstrated on the ground experiment.. "Capacitive Coupling"..

I think I have also demonstrated this somewhere in this thread, but can't remember.

Remember that Don clearly says in his plate capacitor demonstration, that if you have pulsing HF HVDC (Not AC) to the plate, you can drive a motor between the other plate and Earth ground.

There is a picture in the Smith.PDF where he shows the swing of metal balls, and I always imagine that illustration, but I think he is NOT illustrating resonance. He is showing the concussion impacts of waves in the counterspace.

[ricards]

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You are not completing the charge of the capacitor with conventional electron flow. Maybe it can withstand more potential (my guess)

So how does it work? Don said a capacitor is a blocking device. We know it is for DC, and AC is passed. I think it's easier to think of the capacitor being plates ( though we know a 50F super capacitor is not). The RF DC pulses (On/Off) are like tiny hammers creating waves. That is imposed on the positive plate. It is part of the ringing bell of the resonant circuit. We know that in resonance we starting freeing electrons because we have radiation, It's magnetic because it can't be shielded. In a capacitive coupling such as a Tesla coil RX/TX you can prove that. The pulsing DC are producing concussion RF waves on the Negative plate. The close proximity of the plates allow amplification by the casimir effect (because the plates are never "charged"), which should be several orders of magnitude. The negative plate starts to vibrate and you can place a transformer to ground. If setup correctly you have to limit the amount of current to the primary by a variable resistor to ground. Being a capacitive couple, HV circuit never knows the difference. It's magnetic amplification.

well IMO electricity is not just electron flow.

and capacitive coupling is what you have on don smith's experiment to ground.

resonance isn't really that "magical" it's very simple as pushing the swing at the right time..
in a transformer induction at the right time.

DC isn't really that different than AC. AC is just "Alternating Direct Current".

it doesn't pass through a capacitor. what powers the circuit is something don smith demonstrated on the ground experiment.. "Capacitive Coupling"..

I think I have also demonstrated this somewhere in this thread, but can't remember.

[ilandtan]

1 Yes, casimir efect ...or rather the analogy Don said. All you have to do is to find a capacitor charged AGAINST EARTH GROUND POTENTIAL. Old single electrode CONDENSER concept ! Then find the way to make it into charged capacitor and discharge and repeat.

I think you stated a misconception about the AEG, and we will all stumble on this, if we continue to engineer devices this way.

You are not charging the capacitor.

I was told that by the admin of the energyevo.com, it never made any sense. Until I saw it experimentally.

That has been my epiphany, a series capacitor to ground is not being charged, because there is no path for the negative plate to move electrons to the positive plate.

The challenge is that it's counter intuitive:

1. If you have tried to build a circuit to spark to ground, it's not easy
2. Where do I find (x)F capacitors that large for HV.
3. How and where is the power coming from that?
   

If you read Don Smith's comments, he repeatedly talks about "Heavy Duty Capacitor" or "Shoe Boxed Sized Super Capacitors". So now you do a capacitor search, and look and can't find super capacitor at high voltage ranges. Because there is a relationship between capacitor size and voltage of the dialectic. Where are you going to find a 50F capacitor that can handle High voltage.

No such animal

So people say Don is nuts, and it can't be done. But Don's later devices like the Coke Machine build, and his rack build, don't seem to use huge storage capacitors. You would think the larger the device, the need for larger capacitors. I think he stumbled on a way to use ground and capacitors that allow the breaking of engineering spec.

You are not completing the charge of the capacitor with conventional electron flow. Maybe it can withstand more potential (my guess)

So how does it work? Don said a capacitor is a blocking device. We know it is for DC, and AC is passed. I think it's easier to think of the capacitor being plates ( though we know a 50F super capacitor is not). The RF DC pulses (On/Off) are like tiny hammers creating waves. That is imposed on the positive plate. It is part of the ringing bell of the resonant circuit. We know that in resonance we starting freeing electrons because we have radiation, It's magnetic because it can't be shielded. In a capacitive coupling such as a Tesla coil RX/TX you can prove that. The pulsing DC are producing concussion RF waves on the Negative plate. The close proximity of the plates allow amplification by the casimir effect (because the plates are never "charged"), which should be several orders of magnitude. The negative plate starts to vibrate and you can place a transformer to ground. If setup correctly you have to limit the amount of current to the primary by a variable resistor to ground. Being a capacitive couple, HV circuit never knows the difference. It's magnetic amplification.

[jim glinski]

Back again

In bedini's work he said that there were two energy's in a wire with Hi DC potential and when it was broken very quickly only the positive potential with out current would manifest as cold electricity .or cold energy and that's at the heart of teslas discovery .if he's using this in the power amplification coils it would need to be made at the sparking gap most likely. .it wouldn't be like normal electricity lens law and such and making multiple clones may be possible .did you notice that Smith would use a neon to try to locate power nodes on his coils to but the full .and then there's that article in the patent about creating conditions of ringing a coil and properly during off or ending the coils at a much larger wire to set a different physical termination point .it's a lot of stuff to work with .I think replication of thoes early magnetic quenching experiments might help if you can charge the whole dam room your there .

[jim glinski]

Hello

I may be wrong but as you noticed that it's a positive pulse energy that there's isolation between pulses like with the spark gaps .I think that tracking his work with magnetic quenching would be a good place to start .there were two other men before Tesla who by accident discovered this energy but Tesla really researched it deeply .it's a shame we don't seem to have much of his working notes .I think hover sent them to serba before they could be made public .but looking at smith's work that earth ground is interesting if the hi voltage power pluse is formed at the top of the coil as a spike and in one of smith's vides he said that's what your looking for as a wave form and the more the better than at the moment of pluse in extream impluse would pull from the ground the needed matching energy plus more I allways thought of a pump pulling water from the ground action but with out a diode in line with the ground what holds it in there it should drop back when the potential falls back down is the missing component a diode ? Like a check valve to retain what's given ?.allso this could be like the lead out energy theory where a pluse pulls out much more from the environment by shear moment of extream positive impluse . But what holds it in the caps ? I think I've seen some diodes in the earth grounds .what do you think Jim PS also the Tesla effect causes everything in the room and beyond to gain a positive charge as a condition of creation. A sign your there .

[boguslaw]

I have a several theories. Which all leads to we don't really experiment where that gain is. We tend to be lazy and because we are not directed as a team we all are working busily, and not systematically. He mentions several ways of getting from point A to point B. And everybody goes after L1/L2 coils, but he has pictures of several devices with none at all. He talks about the magnetic side always present on devices, and that conventional devices, never take advantage of that radiation. But where we expect to see magnetic radiation, he totally removed the L1/L2 coils in his revised schematic and just has HV to the Diode bridge.

Theory 1: Casimir Effect

I think his statement about using the Don Smith Effect, is the apex of his devices. He says all his devices work that way, and I have not seen anybody going down that rabbit hole. It's a specific way to configure Farad range capacitors. But his statement of taking a capacitor in series with a transformer to Earth Ground, stays un experimented with. I can see him trying to show the gain in his demonstrations. If you take his plate capacitor experiment where he sparks one side, and pulls sparks that are brighter on the other plate towards ground are you not getting gain? His plate capacitor is probably in the nano-Farads. What if you could build a 50 Farad plate capacitor for that experiment, what kind gain would you have, 10 orders of magnitude? Exactly with Don Smith's described mechanism; the Casimir effect(inaccurately but maybe the only thing close to explaining the output gain, and we just don't know how that works).

Theory 2: Magnetic Resonance

Don Smith uses resonance, why? He says to disrupt the ambient. An ambient electro-magnetic field? No, he is clear; he is harvesting the magnetic field/waves. So you would deduce that he is disrupting the magnetic field. Then why do we create coils to make them resonate? Because if we pulse it with DC, we are creating on/off of the coil which is making a magnet in the on cycle. This means that we can disrupt the ambient what... magnetic field. We need magnets in the system to disturb it. A magnet under no influence is ambient. You wont pull any power off a stationary magnet. But what if it were vibrating the magnet with a standing wave, we would be able to harness the flux. Doing what Don Smith says, creating a magnetic resonance. Which is what I finally figured out what he is talking about. He in fact mentions the Kunnel patent. Magnetic resonance, is simply a standing wave in a magnetic domain. Together they increase the flux density. That can happen when you vibrate metals, magetostrictive materials, or magnets. We don't need to vibrate everything with a coil, it might be peizo-electric transducers, or by rotation such as a Faraday disk.

Theory 3: Magic Frequency

His devices are stupid until you hit a magic frequency. Why? Well when I understand magnetism I will be able to state it better. My best guess, is that it's a scaler force created by the kenetic wind from the Big Bang, and when you align atoms in magnetic matrix, you cause a cup in the Ether, that de-accelerates allowing a local field. The frequency of the Earth magnetic field can be interfered with, as a surf board interferes with a wave. You have to catch that wave, and when you do... that happens magic power is realized, and we all are happy. But we don't have flux meters, and we all should. How would we know we hit that frequency, unless the magnetic response increases?


Theory 4: Combinations of above. Don Smith knew how to do all of them.

Hard to answer because you are so close to answer but yet you do not see forest between trees.
But let me make it straight : do not search for magic method to get ou energy. It's not magic , it's pure science. You need to find external energy source and tap it.

1 Yes, casimir efect ...or rather the analogy Don said. All you have to do is to find a capacitor charged AGAINST EARTH GROUND POTENTIAL. Old single electrode CONDENSER concept ! Then find the way to make it into charged capacitor and discharge and repeat.
2. BIG YES! Except magnetic standing waves created by our power source is not OU. Never. But we have plenty of EXTERNAL SOURCES - Sun, cosmic rays, galaxies.So called white noise is energy of standing waves in our magnetosphere - here we can understand why so much was told about ambient or atmospheric electricity.
3. No magic frequency - there are just ranges of frequencies when energy from various sources top the scale of disturbing magnetosphere.

All above is theory of course, but very reliable. The energy source is discovered, we must just check the energy amount. Some talks it's not that much , like a few thunders energy. I do not think so. Tesla said we would be in vain if our magnetosphere is static !

[Dwane]

Filament LEDs stay on and don't pulse

Hi ilandtan,
When I reduced the size of the capacitor, charging rate increased for supply to the LED globes. Power out stayed at around 50v with two globes connected with constant light, with three, pulsations were the capacitor charging up and discharging energy to the lights. This was at 18v input at 51ma. If I increased the input to 24v the globes became brighter. Still got pulsations with three globes connected.This makes it difficult to assess COP. Globes have a 52ma rating at 240v . Disconnect globes and voltage races up to 1200v and climbing!

Got my Figuera parts, now I have to engineer a frame to run it! Tolerances are extremely tight!

My high speed diodes for the next Slayer are coming from UK I think!

Regards

Dwane

[ilandtan]

Without knowledge how the single stage is made to amplify we have nothing. This is all very simple in theory.

So let me ask you : Why the single stage is able to amplify input power ?

I have a several theories. Which all leads to we don't really experiment where that gain is. We tend to be lazy and because we are not directed as a team we all are working busily, and not systematically. He mentions several ways of getting from point A to point B. And everybody goes after L1/L2 coils, but he has pictures of several devices with none at all. He talks about the magnetic side always present on devices, and that conventional devices, never take advantage of that radiation. But where we expect to see magnetic radiation, he totally removed the L1/L2 coils in his revised schematic and just has HV to the Diode bridge.

Theory 1: Casimir Effect

I think his statement about using the Don Smith Effect, is the apex of his devices. He says all his devices work that way, and I have not seen anybody going down that rabbit hole. It's a specific way to configure Farad range capacitors. But his statement of taking a capacitor in series with a transformer to Earth Ground, stays un experimented with. I can see him trying to show the gain in his demonstrations. If you take his plate capacitor experiment where he sparks one side, and pulls sparks that are brighter on the other plate towards ground are you not getting gain? His plate capacitor is probably in the nano-Farads. What if you could build a 50 Farad plate capacitor for that experiment, what kind gain would you have, 10 orders of magnitude? Exactly with Don Smith's described mechanism; the Casimir effect(inaccurately but maybe the only thing close to explaining the output gain, and we just don't know how that works).

Theory 2: Magnetic Resonance

Don Smith uses resonance, why? He says to disrupt the ambient. An ambient electro-magnetic field? No, he is clear; he is harvesting the magnetic field/waves. So you would deduce that he is disrupting the magnetic field. Then why do we create coils to make them resonate? Because if we pulse it with DC, we are creating on/off of the coil which is making a magnet in the on cycle. This means that we can disrupt the ambient what... magnetic field. We need magnets in the system to disturb it. A magnet under no influence is ambient. You wont pull any power off a stationary magnet. But what if it were vibrating the magnet with a standing wave, we would be able to harness the flux. Doing what Don Smith says, creating a magnetic resonance. Which is what I finally figured out what he is talking about. He in fact mentions the Kunnel patent. Magnetic resonance, is simply a standing wave in a magnetic domain. Together they increase the flux density. That can happen when you vibrate metals, magetostrictive materials, or magnets. We don't need to vibrate everything with a coil, it might be peizo-electric transducers, or by rotation such as a Faraday disk.

Theory 3: Magic Frequency

His devices are stupid until you hit a magic frequency. Why? Well when I understand magnetism I will be able to state it better. My best guess, is that it's a scaler force created by the kenetic wind from the Big Bang, and when you align atoms in magnetic matrix, you cause a cup in the Ether, that de-accelerates allowing a local field. The frequency of the Earth magnetic field can be interfered with, as a surf board interferes with a wave. You have to catch that wave, and when you do... that happens magic power is realized, and we all are happy. But we don't have flux meters, and we all should. How would we know we hit that frequency, unless the magnetic response increases?


Theory 4: Combinations of above. Don Smith knew how to do all of them.

[ilandtan]

The resonance .... with ambient background

Hey Man, you where here in the Zilano days. Do you have a working device?

[boguslaw]

The resonance .... with ambient background

[ilandtan]

Filament LEDs stay on and don't pulse

[Dwane]

That's one of the idea Don Smith said was essential to have in his coil devices.

Now that you have the knowledge of what resonant coils are, the next question is... now what? If you look at Don Smith's explanation of his devices, it seems that he uses minuscule exciter energy which he calls high voltage modules and moves it forward through varying stages.

Hi,
I don't know about having knowledge of "Resonance" just yet, it might take a while to get a better understanding of it.

Thanks for the circuits. I'll have a go at building these, but it might take a while. The BYV27-200 are not readily available locally and have to come in from overseas. Patience is a virtue best tested whilst sitting down.

Anyway, I have had measured success with the buck-boost of Don Smith. I can light 3x 240v 430 lumens LED at a fast impulse, intersperced with stable light. I have taken the TIP31 out and substituted it with a MJL21124 I had lying around! The results are impressive, lower current flow and I am able to run the system at 24v at.64ma. Lowering the storage capacitance helps a lot as well. I currently have 20uf storage.

I have wound the coils with #30 guage wire. My problems of output stability are directly associated with this particular wire that I have. I do not know if the insulation on the wire is a low rating. I am getting corona along parts of the coil and interacting with L1. It gets worse with increase of control voltage. I now have coils with black pimples!

My machined parts for my Figuera test rig should be ready today, so all is not lost. I can fiddle with that whilst waiting for other parts.

Regards

Dwane

[Dwane]

Resonance

Hi guys,
I think I am on the same page as your are. Well with intentions!

This is a photo of the base input with the Buck Boost Smith arrangement. I have the weights of copper pretty good, within .25 of a gram, which corresponds to just under half a turn on L2: 712 turns,one full turn of #30 is .077gm.
I am getting four ringings on to the base. The fourth corresponds to the commencement of the next L2 pulse. While I think I can see the maths of the process, I still do not think I am getting the resonance of the matching frequencies. You will notice the L1 coil is running at 4.27Mhz and I think L2 is running at 1.07. Rigols round up the frequencies so there is a little room to manoeuvre with specific count. Occassionally, all hell breaks loose and returns to stability. Meaning the screen becomes covered with a massive amount of HF pulses. Is this the resonances we are looking for? Or is it the attached photo? The other notion in my mind is that should the input puses to the base be triggering the frequency of the multiple oscillations? Because I would have thought resonance provides an amplified waveform, like a high Q.

Regards

Dwane

[boguslaw]

Without knowledge how the single stage is made to amplify we have nothing. This is all very simple in theory.

So let me ask you : Why the single stage is able to amplify input power ?