Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[med.3012]

Hello Dwane,

this is just a theory with a very interesting and unusual effects , one of them is the cooling effect of stainless steel ! i tried the same circuit as in the first experiments with tower coil ( single wire transformation ) .

Mazilli driver can be used as induction heating, but in the case of ETBC there's a tiny increase in temperature ( the weather is relatively cold and heating can be felt easily ....)

another phenomena is the diode have to be high amperage, the temperature of diode ( 3A 1000V ) increase rapidly when lighting a bulb ( 12 V 20 W )

also the stainless steel build some charges in the surface ( i expect the voltage to be around 50 V ) this mean using the same configuration in HV can be lethal .


the idea of zero time have to be explained, if you have a well balanced system exactly like a permanent magnet you don't have to wait for the reaction , you just need to take a copy from action/reaction , this mean we take the power from the exchange between magnetism and electricity , this is not similar to put some electricity to get an excess of magnetism ( amperage ) but instead let the magnetism take all the electricity as a natural loop here we have a high amperage, at the same time let the electricity take all the magnetism ( we get back again our voltage up in this natural process ...) the connection between the two appear in real time without delay .. this look like we are just taking a picture of the disturbance .

[Dwane]

Zero Time!

Hi med.3012,

Just briefly, your notion of immediate resolution of energy once disturbed across the plates, does not give the right solution, to my mind. I have experienced "floating energy" from radiant experiments I have attempted. The result is similar to that of John Bedini and the mass of energy covering his golf cart batteries. It lingers. Once one accepts the notion that disturbing the environment with a high velocity source will create an energy harvesting opportunity, it is a small step to accept that there is a second tier that can be created. An analogy might be a large bubble of displaced energy surrounded by the ambient field. This bubble has to be dissolved within a time frame relative to its size. In the case of short time disturbances, the bubble is weak and dissolves quickly. Instantaneous re-absorbtion back into the ambient will occur with very short disturbances. I wonder too, whether this notion of mine might be related to the Heaviside component as discussed by Tom Beardon.

Mucking around with ETBC winding options, while I sort out a better power supply.

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

yes just take a rest from time to time ! don't do hard focus .. flexibility is needed , some ideas is well hidden like needle in the haystack, if you use a metal detector you can find it

what about burning the haystack and using a strong magnet after that ?


regards

Hi !


i am kidding !

[med.3012]

Honestly Med, It's like every night that I sleep, and in that twilight between wake and sleep, I keep getting this feeling to press on, I need to keep my mind spinning on this. It's like a melody that you keep hearing but you don't know the words, but you know some of them, and so you just repeat what you know.

I'm a freakin looney bird!

yes just take a rest from time to time ! don't do hard focus .. flexibility is needed , some ideas is well hidden like needle in the haystack, if you use a metal detector you can find it

what about burning the haystack and using a strong magnet after that ?


regards

[ilandtan]

I'm a freakin loony bird!

I might of figured this out. It's ridiculously simple. So I am going into the dungeon myself.

[ilandtan]

@ilandtan


as i see you are persisting to understand like there's something in your mind telling you there's a way , you have two option

1- continue investigation so you are learning more day after day

2- stop and the time still pass , so the best option is number 1


regards

Honestly Med, It's like every night that I sleep, and in that twilight between wake and sleep, I keep getting this feeling to press on, I need to keep my mind spinning on this. It's like a melody that you keep hearing but you don't know the words, but you know some of them, and so you just repeat what you know.

I'm a freakin looney bird!

[ilandtan]

ilandtan stated, "We need to engineer power". First we need to define and understand power. More precisely, we need to understand the energy being harnessed as a source before you can engineer a way to harvest it, otherwise your randomly creating circuits with the "hope" of finding something that works. As an example, a simple radio circuit... we know what the energy is and where it's coming from so designing a circuit to extract the energy is simple. You can pull just about any coil out of the failed projects box, connect it to a ground and tune it to light an LED from a local station.

Obviously, this isn't the energy you (or we as a group) are trying to harvest, simply an example of defining the energy prior to an attempt to harvest it.

Something to think about... I received some parts I needed today so it's back the dungeon for me....

I am in agreement here, and I feel we will not advance without thinking outside of the box. Some theories that DS presented were so out there that if you think of it in an component electrical engineering perspective it yields nonsense (or maybe our view was skewed purposefully).

In preponderance of the AEG(Ambient Energy Generator) that creates the DSE(Don Smith Effect) we are all familiar with. It explains from our common understanding of electricity that it is a serial capacitor device(but is it?) If you take a capacitor and put AC on one plate, it will pass the cycles to the 2nd plate. But that's not any good, it gains nothing but the original AC. If you apply DC on the first plate, the second side grounded to earth, will not allow charge build up on the first plate you will have nothing for load to ground if you place it there.

What are we missing here? DS says all his devices work this way, and I can't even get the bleeding cap to charge!

[med.3012]

I've said this before, and I think trying to find a Over-Unity exciter is a dead end. I don't think anybody really fails at it. HF and HV pulsed DC.

@ilandtan


as i see you are persisting to understand like there's something in your mind telling you there's a way , you have two option

1- continue investigation so you are learning more day after day

2- stop and the time still pass , so the best option is number 1


regards

[med.3012]

Hi ilandtan,

As a result, I think the first question I could not satisfactorily answer was how quick is the push back or return to equilibrium? Can we beat that return time?

@Dwane,


as you told me before we have to understand the power mechanism inside the ETBC .. the push back to equilibrium appear in zero time ! something like spooky action , we don't need to beat this mechanism ! it's a natural mechanism , we just need to look for the proper paths like completing the infinite circle !

[med.3012]

It's an interesting theory Med.3012, can you define "equilibrium level" ? Or did you mean level of potential? To me the level is irrelevant if 2 bodies are in equilibrium... 1 volt or 10 million volts, each are equal. The amount of disturbance or potential is relevant.

ilandtan stated, "We need to engineer power". First we need to define and understand power. More precisely, we need to understand the energy being harnessed as a source before you can engineer a way to harvest it, otherwise your randomly creating circuits with the "hope" of finding something that works. As an example, a simple radio circuit... we know what the energy is and where it's coming from so designing a circuit to extract the energy is simple. You can pull just about any coil out of the failed projects box, connect it to a ground and tune it to light an LED from a local station.

Obviously, this isn't the energy you (or we as a group) are trying to harvest, simply an example of defining the energy prior to an attempt to harvest it.

Something to think about... I received some parts I needed today so it's back the dungeon for me....

@dragon

it's an electrons spin equilibrium level , the distribution of voltage follow a separated axis in relation with the distribution of electric current , in this case the electric field follow north/south but the magnetic field follow est/west ( as example but the coil can take any position..lie down as stated by DS .. )

now it's our choice what to use a normal wire or a conducting foils ? using normal wire we are limiting the capability of electric and magnetic fields , in best cases we deal with 2 dimensional system!
using a surface we start with 2 D system and go to 3D .. here Lorentz forces play a critical rule because we can separate electrons based on their charge across our coil something similar to a capacitor where we separate the electric charges .. the length of coil is the voltage but not the number of turn ! this voltage is there since we have a perpendicular magnetic field across the conducting surface, i did an experiment using stainless steel as a core for the ETBC without any heating effect ( there's a tiny heating effect in 650 KHZ frequency !!! ) like there's no eddy current !!!


in my opinion the logic behind harvesting ambient power is simple , if we want to receive we have to send ! this is not like solar power system where the light charge the solar panel .. the power we seek is already accumulated .. we can't receive it without shaking it ( this is why we have to send in order to receive )

a proper capacitive transformer can do the job and act as energy pomp , the problem with electrons is it seek to return to the ambient as soon as possible ! what is the solution of this puzzle ? just give it what it need ! there's two ways !!! like infinite icon !

[Dwane]

I've said this before, and I think trying to find a Over-Unity exciter is a dead end. I don't think anybody really fails at it. HF and HV pulsed DC.

Hi ilandtan,

From my narrow perspective of radiant energy, I totally agree. I have literally spent hours trying to fit my senses into conceptually containing this issue. As a result, I think the first question I could not satisfactorily answer was how quick is the push back or return to equilibrium? Can we beat that return time? We get a negative spike from a collapsing coil, as per Tesla and the closing switch but, does that spike restore the equilibrium or does it create another break further along the chain? multiple rapid coil collapses would seem to create a new filed surrounding the area being rapidly pulsed. This field can linger for some time.

With regards to resonance, I see this as efficiently magnifying the radiant effect as against intermittent and sporadic pulsing whic is less efficient.

Regards

Dwane

[ilandtan]

I've said this before, and I think trying to find a Over-Unity exciter is a dead end. I don't think anybody really fails at it. HF and HV pulsed DC.

[dragon]

It's an interesting theory Med.3012, can you define "equilibrium level" ? Or did you mean level of potential? To me the level is irrelevant if 2 bodies are in equilibrium... 1 volt or 10 million volts, each are equal. The amount of disturbance or potential is relevant.

ilandtan stated, "We need to engineer power". First we need to define and understand power. More precisely, we need to understand the energy being harnessed as a source before you can engineer a way to harvest it, otherwise your randomly creating circuits with the "hope" of finding something that works. As an example, a simple radio circuit... we know what the energy is and where it's coming from so designing a circuit to extract the energy is simple. You can pull just about any coil out of the failed projects box, connect it to a ground and tune it to light an LED from a local station.

Obviously, this isn't the energy you (or we as a group) are trying to harvest, simply an example of defining the energy prior to an attempt to harvest it.

Something to think about... I received some parts I needed today so it's back the dungeon for me....

[med.3012]

The useful information in that statement is...

"disturbing an equilibrium immediately seeks to return"

You push nature, nature pushes back. Use the "return" that nature provides to your advantage.

Hi dragon!


it's not that simple the example i gave with dark room has a meaning ... the statement describe an equilibrium level not just a return path ... !

to give a better view the M-ETBC is an infinite icon ...




the model describe the ETBC as a compacted Tesla wireless power transmitter can be translated to give something similar to a dark room in a camera !!! maybe ...





regards

[dragon]

The useful information in that statement is...

"disturbing an equilibrium immediately seeks to return"

You push nature, nature pushes back. Use the "return" that nature provides to your advantage.