Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ricards]

dragon,

I hope you don't take this on you.. Its just that when I reason to my self I tend to argue to my self.. all questions are laid out in a narative manner and pertains to non other than my self... as I see no way to elaborate a theory without reasoning. I address this to you as I see you're the one who can relate.

remember that little circuit of yours..
I have been experimenting with it quite a while now.. I've always felt like you and sky aren't getting what I was trying to do, so I just kept it to myself until I've proven it to myself. but someone is telling me to spit it out now.

sure the energy is always going down.. It is just because that has always been its nature.. to balance itself out through out a system,
temperature...
pressure...
electric potential...
etc..

If the pressure below the ocean is relieved back up into the mountains through some ways.. there will be energy..
If the Temperature down the CORE of the earth be conducted way back up here in the surface.. there will be energy..
If the Electric Potential in the Ionosphere be connected through a superconductor coil down to earth.. there will be energy..

but where exactly is energy?.. or what exactly is energy?..
ugghh headache.. cant define.. cant explain.. so I just observed it.

Going back to your circuit one thing I have observed was The Energy does not and never was "Transformed" like a conserved quantity, instead I see as, It was given more room (capacitance) in which It naturally will relieve its electrical pressure to (voltage). that is how a I see the conservation of energy. the resistance (wire / load) never did consume any energy at all!..
I made Small Experiments to verify my theory..
I charged a cap, run it through a load, a wire, a coil, a resistor, into my hand.. etc.. to charge another capacitor.
the result was the same.. the amount of energy (in volts) in the capacitors after a while.. was the same in all scenario.
12v 40mF connected to 0v 40mF equals to 2 6v 40mF..
If you double the volume the pressure is halved..
but the energy of (2) 6v 40mF is half the energy of 12v 40mF.. (what trickery is this).. where did 1/2 of the energy go?.. Heat??.. Waves??.. extra dimension??.. maybe the conservation of energy does not apply (speculation)..

what about magnetism?..
I did another experiment, this time.. with a coil and a charged cap..
1. did the electrical energy transformed into magnetic energy..
2. or magnetism was the effect of current flow due to balancing of electric potential?..

If the case is no.1 how come If I straightened out the wire I get far less in return? after a cycle.. well the simple answer I know is the magnetism was weaker when It was straightened than it was coiled. If it was weaker.. where is the large portion of the energy went to? if it was conserved and only transformed.. Heat??.. Waves??.. extra dimension??..

My mind simply refuses some explanation just to preserve a known "Law"..
the most logical explanation I can think of regarding this phenomenon is that the Higher Potential was reduced to lower potential doing work/powering a load and If you would quantify that into an amount it is called "energy" specifically "Electrical Energy". energy is a concept.. not really something..

but we always tend to use the word to describe something.. It can't be helped.

for sure the energy was greater when It was in it's higher voltage.. BUT! only and only If you use it in the same way. as in straight to ground..
but if you use it wisely (like your circuit) you would end up doing more work using the same amount of energy.

and you can return the voltage (charge) back up via transformer.. though not as high as before.. you can do the more work again.. and again.. and again.. until the potential is balanced out or the voltage is too low to power the load. I remember I tried to do some math and proved that overall work was greater and there is still energy left. but that's that..

Ilandtan,

you got to know the story. or else It wont make sense why I arrived at my theory.

now why does this have to do with don smith stuff?...
If the Energy can be used to Generate energy..
and the energy is not consumed by resistance..
and the energy can be used many times as long as the potential (voltage) is high enough..
you can generate more energy by using the same energy.. provided that YOU DON"T DESTROY THE STORAGE which is the MAGNETIC FIELD that is responsible to reuse the initial electrical energy. (had to highlight that).

don smith table top device he calls a resonant energy device.
most people think when the 'Radio' word was mentioned first thing that comes to mind is 'Transmitter' & 'Receiver' very few actually realize that Radio is a band in the frequency range...
If you would look at the device.. why is it that he will transmit to something very close.. as in magnetically coupled?..

Two Coils Two Caps, 1 is center tapped.
If you would remove the bottom part of the center tapped coil.. you'll have 2 tank circuit, if designed at the same frequency (which don gave not fully correct instruction on how to) will resonate at the same frequency..
but since you're pulsing only the primary.. the secondary will lag behind..
think of the 4 sequence of a full sine wave cycle or a damped oscillation..
Plot it.. Visualize it..
and you will see that.
when the magnetic field of the primary is formed it will induce a voltage charging the cap of the secondary coil..
when this field collapse.. at the same time the charged cap of secondary coil will conduct.. forming a magnetic field on the secondary coil.. this will compliment the collapsing of the primary coil.
now the secondary will now collapse.. but since the primary is now charged in opposite polarity.. it will conduct a opposite current.. forming a magnetic field that will compliment the collapsing of the secondary coil..
until it is back into original position..
notice that several damped oscillation are used to cause induction alternately in each coil..
where you only charge the primary tank once.
eventually this oscillation will build up since it is in resonance..

12-48v pulse on a tank circuit with a cap of 6.8 uf is very little..
but don smith table top has
2 2uF 4kv caps if only 2kv is being used that is 4 Joules of energy per discharge of the cap.. at 30khz... how much energy?..

remember ilandtan,

this is only my theory, my plan is to atleast drive something at 150v-500v..
the reason why I tell you to move away from the slayer exciter was because the coils need to compliment each other's damped oscillations.. so the energy in them does not die out fast...

the highest efficiency I got from my crappy coils and transformers was 85%..
but that is at 12-48v 6.8 uf..
the efficiency increases as the voltage increases. amp draw stays the same.

If you can see the flaw in it. tell me.

[mikrovolt]

differentials, mixers, acoustic boxes and tuning cavities ect construct waves.

Using a sound generators and an inductive mixer at the same phase but the frequency is off slightly will cause a beat.
https://youtu.be/4M72kQulGKk?t=131

When one tuning fork's acoustic box absorbs a wave from another tuning fork
https://youtu.be/pRpN9uLiouI

With Dragon transmitter / receiver can work as an analogy because the
envelope of the carrier wave is embedded with the audio track.
Better to invert audio to positive (unidirectional )first so the diode will catch more.
In the video the capacitor also can recycle. https://youtu.be/e_gTCU2fnD8

Another novelty harvesting absorbs a deconstructed wave which is normally heat IR
some claim to structure condition a region and transform the IR.
This also involves shifting a 180 degree region.

With DS there has to be more than just novelty harvesting.

[med.3012]

Hello everyone ,




To obtain unlimited energy from the environment we need to decompose the electric phenomena to elementary pieces ...after that we need to recompose all the pieces together so we have both direction .. this is the difficulty in such open system, the bigger players are the electric and magnetic field ..the good news is they can't be separated .

in dynamic state you have no electric field without magnetic field , if we could relate both field together as a single entity we could take as much current as we can !



regards

[dragon]

But vibration can be harvested. A vibrating ferrite material will output voltage and therefore current. You can put coils around the tuning forks and gain wattage.

You are saying that load dampens output. That might be true, but my point is you could have a system independent of the input. Do you agree?

I believe near unity is achievable in which case input would only be required to sustain minor losses. This has already been proven. I also believe there are untapped sources yet to be discovered...but... a circuit that creates energy... not going to happen.

These are simply my opinion's based on my experiences with a multitude of projects over the years.

[ilandtan]

Yes, that's quite true.... but... all the tuning forks are not doing any real work. If you load them to provide an output of some type the primary "box" would need to be much louder and more intense to maintain the forks vibrations. Thus creating a larger input requirement.

"And that would be the death of anything over unity."

Finding another source of energy would be wonderful ... achieving unity is a pretty significant and challenging goal ...

But vibration can be harvested. A vibrating ferrite material will output voltage and therefore current. You can put coils around the tuning forks and gain wattage.

You are saying that load dampens output. That might be true, but my point is you could have a system independent of the input. Do you agree?

[dragon]

Yes, that's quite true.... but... all the tuning forks are not doing any real work. If you load them to provide an output of some type the primary "box" would need to be much louder and more intense to maintain the forks vibrations. Thus creating a larger input requirement.

"And that would be the death of anything over unity."

Finding another source of energy would be wonderful ... achieving unity is a pretty significant and challenging goal ...

[ilandtan]

Since we are not creating energy or harvesting energy from somewhere else you'll find that each secondary coil (satellite) added, shares the energy provided by the transmitter. It would be nice if it were that easy.

I believe it's possible to achieve unity or very close to it, over unity is simply a source of energy unexplained... once understood is simply a new source.

And that would be the death of anything over unity.

But we are missing something because if you create a box with dimensions of a cavity resonance of 440hz, and then affix 440hz tuning forks to the sides of the box, and re-tuned for the total volume of displacement (probably best to allow for the displacement prior to building the box) Then used a speaker to transmit the 440hz sine wave. I'm sure you could vibrate all those tuning forks being independent of the number of forks(receivers) inside the box. In fact you wouldn't even need a tuned box, just a common medium, as long as it was rigid. It would be ideal if the medium was tuned to 440hz, but if you replaced the speaker with an impact device to strike the medium at 440hz, all those forks would ring.
All without affecting the input power. It would work because of the standing wave you created in the medium. Think of Tesla's Earthquake device based on a building's natural resonance, or the Tacoma bridge. The wind couldn't singularly knock the bridge down but the repetitive sway could.

If there is dampening in our designs, we need to understand and finds ways to negate it.

[dragon]

Since we are not creating energy or harvesting energy from somewhere else you'll find that each secondary coil (satellite) added, shares the energy provided by the transmitter. It would be nice if it were that easy.

I believe it's possible to achieve unity or very close to it, over unity is simply a source of energy unexplained... once understood is simply a new source.

[ilandtan]

Let's analyze the DS tabletop circuit as if it were a basic receiver such as the radio circuit I posted...

With the standard radio we receive a carrier wave from the station we're tuned to which contains the information that will be broadcast through the speaker coil ( variable energy packets of sorts pulsing the speaker coil). If we try to draw energy from the carrier wave itself ( resonant frequency) it will load the secondary coil demanding more energy from the input coil ( L1) and ultimately from the transmitter itself.

Our "driven" resonant circuit alone will not drive a load without loading the transmitter (input). We need to add some variables.... other frequencies. We know when one wave passes through another wave traveling in the opposite direction it becomes additive and accumulative. That is, one wave intensity is added to the second wave creating a larger more powerful wave as a result.

Referring to the drawing of the simple radio,(diagram) we remove the capacitor C4 and allow L3 to resonate at its natural frequency, L1 will be responsible to maintain that frequency. We then tune C3 bringing L2 to something slightly lower than L3, either another resonant point or harmonic that helps feed L3. Any frequency difference between L2,L3 will create a 3rd frequency.(and more). Even a slight difference will create a beat frequency. For example a 1000khz on L3 with L2 tuned to 940khz will give us a 60 hz beat frequency- this would be heard as a familiar hum if a speaker were attached to the output. Since this new frequency is the accumulated energy of 2 waves passing through each other we now have a pulse energy that can be extracted without bothering the initial carrier frequency. Quite often, when you achieve a reasonable intensity, the "beats" or "pulses" can be physically felt when touching the coil. (magnetic impulses physically moving the wires ).

This still isn't the OU word, all we've done is taken a small amount of energy at a high frequency then utilize the accumulated output at a lower frequency making it "appear" as if it were. Manipulating energy over time.

If all are basically receivers, and we can determine that we are not loading the input, and we know we can produce an independent power from the receivers. Why not build an L2+L3....L(n) until we have over-unity? Why wouldn't that work?

[dragon]

Let's analyze the DS tabletop circuit as if it were a basic receiver such as the radio circuit I posted...

With the standard radio we receive a carrier wave from the station we're tuned to which contains the information that will be broadcast through the speaker coil ( variable energy packets of sorts pulsing the speaker coil). If we try to draw energy from the carrier wave itself ( resonant frequency) it will load the secondary coil demanding more energy from the input coil ( L1) and ultimately from the transmitter itself.

Our "driven" resonant circuit alone will not drive a load without loading the transmitter (input). We need to add some variables.... other frequencies. We know when one wave passes through another wave traveling in the opposite direction it becomes additive and accumulative. That is, one wave intensity is added to the second wave creating a larger more powerful wave as a result.

Referring to the drawing of the simple radio,(diagram) we remove the capacitor C4 and allow L3 to resonate at its natural frequency, L1 will be responsible to maintain that frequency. We then tune C3 bringing L2 to something slightly lower than L3, either another resonant point or harmonic that helps feed L3. Any frequency difference between L2,L3 will create a 3rd frequency.(and more). Even a slight difference will create a beat frequency. For example a 1000khz on L3 with L2 tuned to 940khz will give us a 60 hz beat frequency- this would be heard as a familiar hum if a speaker were attached to the output. Since this new frequency is the accumulated energy of 2 waves passing through each other we now have a pulse energy that can be extracted without bothering the initial carrier frequency. Quite often, when you achieve a reasonable intensity, the "beats" or "pulses" can be physically felt when touching the coil. (magnetic impulses physically moving the wires ).

This still isn't the OU word, all we've done is taken a small amount of energy at a high frequency then utilize the accumulated output at a lower frequency making it "appear" as if it were. Manipulating energy over time.

[ilandtan]

Hi ilandtan,

Would that my bench was as neat and organised such as yours! Great video. Am I correct in assuming that the movement of L2 toward L3 when the light extinguishes that the coupling from L1 to L2 has decreased?

Thanks

Dwane

I wish that was my desk, and the video is from an experimenter who is really wonderful at dispelling the B.S and, without complex narrations proves the relevance of Tesla's work today. Please view all 7 of his videos.

To answer the relationship of coil positions Three concepts:

1. distance from L1(which creates the field) and L2( draws energy from the field)
2. Difference in field potentials between L2 and L3
3. L3 can act as a ground

I think there are many ideas being shown, one of them is that coils that are resonating sympathetically because they are receivers, when two coils are used the net power being harvested, is the difference in the potentials between the two. As you move L2 toward L3, the pressure becomes the same. Think of a ball on plank, and the further they are apart the more the plank tilts and the ball moves faster. The closer together and the plank becomes level and the ball doesn't roll.

The other superb idea is that if you have a (L1)transmitter next to a (L2) 1st receiver that's grounded, how far can the grounded (L3)2nd receiver be?

I want to test that on a beach and see if I can make it light far away!

I immediately wanted to ask if you moved L3 greater than the wall, would you eventually hit a limit of unity... or over unity, then I thought if you have multiple L2 and L3 coils would it be like Don Smith said that you wouldn't affect the load power of L1? If so then you could eventually prove over unity.

I also wanted to know if an L2 L3 configuration has more potential than L2 and ground.

[ilandtan]

ilandtan,

I know where I am going,.. because I see it.. visualized it.. but it doesn't mean its what gonna happen... this is all experiment my friend.
even If I spout all the Iff''s that is running in my head, my theories and such.. what good It would do If it was not proven that Is why I'm stuck because I haven't built it yet.. still

and Am trying to share what I have already done, what I know and already tested.

pardon I have put feelings into my statement, it is just irritating for me to be demanded to show something I never claim to have.
I can show my work, my build no matter how ugly it is..

I can tell you my plan and all the theories behind it.. but there is no guarantee to it.
but do note.. I have been deliberately trying to disprove it in my head why It should not work, trying to figure out the flaw.. because there must be! because I can't accept something so great that's just too damn simple!.
got carried away again!.

See... I keep on thinking you are onto something, and trying to connect the dots. I don't need guarantees, I'm not buying anything that requires a warranty. All ideas tend to be "As Is". However, I would very much like you to share in your plan and theory. I would be happy to understand your ideas, I keep on thinking that we are moving in complex directions, and the Earth just spins and we don't know why.

[Dwane]

Nice Video

Hi ilandtan,

Would that my bench was as neat and organised such as yours! Great video. Am I correct in assuming that the movement of L2 toward L3 when the light extinguishes that the coupling from L1 to L2 has decreased?

Thanks

Dwane

[ricards]

ilandtan,

I know where I am going,.. because I see it.. visualized it.. but it doesn't mean its what gonna happen... this is all experiment my friend.
even If I spout all the Iff''s that is running in my head, my theories and such.. what good It would do If it was not proven that Is why I'm stuck because I haven't built it yet.. still

and Am trying to share what I have already done, what I know and already tested.

pardon I have put feelings into my statement, it is just irritating for me to be demanded to show something I never claim to have.
I can show my work, my build no matter how ugly it is..

I can tell you my plan and all the theories behind it.. but there is no guarantee to it.
but do note.. I have been deliberately trying to disprove it in my head why It should not work, trying to figure out the flaw.. because there must be! because I can't accept something so great that's just too damn simple!.
got carried away again!.

[ilandtan]

I'm sure I am very clear in stating with where I am standing.. right now..

It seems you only pick want you want to read..
this conversation is starting to turn into an argument..
you don't seem to take my advice even though you're the one who ask it.
so I will stop.

Do you take all the advice you are given?

You're right I did read you are stuck. And forgive me but your next sentence sounded like your impasse was of acquiring resources, like you knew where you were going and you knew something. Honestly, I wanted know if there was a plan, or were just fishing like the rest of us. I ask questions, that's why I'm here, and if it sounds argumentative, I can't help that. I'm not trying to be entertaining or glib, I just want the facts. I have engaged some who were willing to shine me on, so now I just drop the pretense and ask to see the cards. Thank you for knowledge you've imparted at this point. I did appreciate it.