Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[tswift]

A little off topic. I am attempting a build of Don's transmitter/multiple receivers design.

No, I don't think that's off topic at all, this is the DON SMITH thread after all. This is one design of Don's that I don't think has gotten much attention or replication attempts. I'm not sure how it would differ particularly from a single receiver coil, but who knows? That's the point of experimenting, to find out where the theory isn't completely correct.

As far as a practical answer to your build question, the simplest way is to use a cylindrical coil form big enough to fit around all the secondaries. PVC works but is harder to find in larger sizes. I have used the cardboard tubes that are sold for use as concrete forms (for pouring piers and bases for things like lamp posts and street signs). These work, although I learned from my SSTC that the black writing on the outside of the tube has enough carbon content in the ink to be CONDUCTIVE. I didn't know this until my tube started smoking and actually burning around the writing. Thankfully it was just smoldering and it went out on its own when I cut the power off. It ruined my secondary by shorting some turns though, so I had to wind another one. This time I peeled the outer paper layer off and sanded any remaining bits of writing until it was clean enough.

For holding the turns in place, obviously the easiest idea is the one you're already using: just drill two holes. However, if you have tubes in a number of different sizes and your wire is rigid enough, you can wind the right amount of wire on a smaller diameter tube, coiling it tightly enough so the wire yields and conforms. Then slide it off that form and work it progressively around your bigger form without uncoiling it, and it will have some tension. This can be a bit tricky depending on how much wire you're working with, it's like holding one of the "slinky" spring toys.

[p75213]

A little off topic. I am attempting a build of Don's transmitter/multiple receivers design.

I have a number of secondaries wound on pvc tubes around which I intend to wind the primary. The secondaries were built by first drilling two holes in the pvc pipe and passing the insulated wire through before winding on the coil. The secondaries have been bundled together using cable ties.

Question: How do I wind the primary around the middle of the secondaries and prevent it from unraveling? I think something more secure than just insulated tape would be necessary. As you may realize I'm a newbie at this.

[med.3012]

@Gedfire

i am studying this device since a long time but i have a different idea about the used primary coil , i tried this experiment to see if i am working with the correct waves, it seem to be a special waves with more speed as discussed above, you can use the Avramenko's plug directly from L2 but the earth is a must to see a good power! i tried to charge some HV capacitor (450 v ) quickly but i wanted to see a continuous flow of radiant energy and i saw it


@Dwane

Yes Mazilli driver can put a large current to your tank LC circuit , the voltage limit for this circuit is about 36 V, you can use IRFZ44 MOSFET, it's cheap and do the job, good luck and let us know the progress !




regards

[Dwane]

Mazilli!

hello

sorry for the unclear image, the driver name is Mazilli , ferrite is more efficient but powdered iron core will work just fine, since the frequency of ETBC is relatively low 400 khz, the core used is a TV Yoke, constructing the ETBC in low voltage is easy, please visit my thread for other details :


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lained-22.html



you can use different material if you like when constructing the ETBC, you can use aluminium or copper as foils, you can use ferritic stainless steel ( thin foils for easy construction also for low eddy loss ) magnetic material in this stage alter more ambient power because the needed electrons spin will be provided by the ferritic stainless steel not the power you put to the device ( current ) , in lower voltage this experiment will teach you other things , keep in mind L2 coil can be dangerous and can burn your finger immediately, you can also see the smoke if you put a meat in contact with L2, the device can be more dangerous in HV if built successfully .

Hello Med.3012,
I have one of these cicuits I made some time ago using 3055", taken from the JLN website. Did not know it was called a Mazilli driver! I am going to rewind it and replace the 3055'5 with IRFP's. I am pretty busy at the moment so its going to be a few days until I can try a replication of your experiment. Will post my results then.

Thank you for the Resonant link. Although I have a scope and function generator, I am struggling a little bit to get the results I calculate for the LC circuits I build!. Your link has lots of information, I am working through it slowly.

Regards

Dwane

[Gedfire]

Hello ,

single wire transmitter is important as described by Tesla, he also mentioned the possibility of energy excess using this technique , i did a similar experiment without disc but a 12 v light bulb /40W
the bulb light but what i learned from this is we need the resonance, when i tried it using spark gap for higher power output nothing happen, the earth ground play a vital role, the core is also important, my primary coil oscillate in 400 KHZ so i used a ferrite core as follow :






the phenomena can be enhanced further more using higher voltage which remain a big obstacle but i think the problem can be solved with arranged work .

This just beautiful.

I love it.Worth trying.But as you said how do we scale up /optimise to get useful power? More collective experimenting needed.

[Gedfire]

Last Words

@Gedfire,
What was Don Smith's last words?

Tesla took that one wire model when he traveled to England to give a lecture.
It was a demonstration concept model. The items shown in the picture above
were transported in wooden boxes in that picture a Tesla HV transformer is enclosed in a box.
Here is another early demo showing transformer, possibly an early replication ?
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Ruhmkorf has been widely recognized and what size and what interrupter type or variable frequency.
just like a kid in a candy store.
https://youtu.be/btpFGpmAV0s

PWM controller using IGBT. page 15 section 3.1 also figure 8
finally 3.3 figure 11 shows protected and equipped for serious inductive current load at 500V
pwm is a weak signal that adjusts the pulse width
http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slua618/slua618.pdf

Please see below or above.Don's Last Words.Thank you for your links/suggestions.

[Gedfire]

Tesla's Single Wire ?

Well, it looks like an example of single wire power transmission and capacitive coupling, but I don't see any power gain likely to happen. Of course, one would have to build an experimental configuration to be sure, perhaps you could use the PVM12 or a suitable high frequency NST instead of the induction coil, and I have plenty of ongoing experiments already. But it does look interesting and probably merits some testing by someone....

Agreed.

Thank you for taking time out to respond.

I am gunning for Don's theory that one can pulse say for example DC 100 volts into L1 of an isolation transformer at 500 hz and you can get more out of it than if you pulsed it at 50 hz.Assuming its a transistor or IGBT etc doing the switching.

With regard to the Single Wire Don allegedly told Bruce the secrets of his device : One wire positive into a capacitor bank

Tesla had a patent with an aerial.Which is technically one wire.

The diagram is posted is not really one wire as the plate provides surface area and is effectively ground in the air.The same air that is a part of the earth (earth ground).



http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1510505945

[med.3012]

Hi med.3012,
This looks like an interesting experiment to try. Can I ask what is a Mabilli Driver" as noted on the circuit? No google for that name! Also, as there is a small volts output, would the driven coils be small also? Would that be a ferrite core or a powdered iron core. I have a powdered iron core which looks about the same size as the photo.

Thanks

Dwane

hello

sorry for the unclear image, the driver name is Mazilli , ferrite is more efficient but powdered iron core will work just fine, since the frequency of ETBC is relatively low 400 khz, the core used is a TV Yoke, constructing the ETBC in low voltage is easy, please visit my thread for other details :


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lained-22.html



you can use different material if you like when constructing the ETBC, you can use aluminium or copper as foils, you can use ferritic stainless steel ( thin foils for easy construction also for low eddy loss ) magnetic material in this stage alter more ambient power because the needed electrons spin will be provided by the ferritic stainless steel not the power you put to the device ( current ) , in lower voltage this experiment will teach you other things , keep in mind L2 coil can be dangerous and can burn your finger immediately, you can also see the smoke if you put a meat in contact with L2, the device can be more dangerous in HV if built successfully .

[Dwane]

Hi med.3012,
This looks like an interesting experiment to try. Can I ask what is a Mabilli Driver" as noted on the circuit? No google for that name! Also, as there is a small volts output, would the driven coils be small also? Would that be a ferrite core or a powdered iron core. I have a powdered iron core which looks about the same size as the photo.

Thanks

Dwane

[med.3012]

No takers?

Hello ,

single wire transmitter is important as described by Tesla, he also mentioned the possibility of energy excess using this technique , i did a similar experiment without disc but a 12 v light bulb /40W
the bulb light but what i learned from this is we need the resonance, when i tried it using spark gap for higher power output nothing happen, the earth ground play a vital role, the core is also important, my primary coil oscillate in 400 KHZ so i used a ferrite core as follow :






the phenomena can be enhanced further more using higher voltage which remain a big obstacle but i think the problem can be solved with arranged work .

[Dwane]

....

It was this test, where I clearly and unmistakably saw the overunity gain manifest in a normal off-the-shelf transformer, that proves a number of different points. Mostly that the transformer design and materials aren't what makes the difference, you will never achieve the results you're looking for just by tinkering with this. What works the magic is the energy itself, and when it's present any normal ordinary transformer will then run OU because of the Lenz's law cancellation (motors too, for the same reason). You're already zapping a battery, just try powering some different things with the battery and check the results and see for yourself. Do you note any differences? Does it make any difference how long you zap it for? Does it make any difference how long it sits after zapping it before using it? Try starting your car with it. If you can start your car from a small gel-cell then you have to suspect something unusual is going on....

Hi Tswift.
Yes I have experienced this then with another process. Just normal coil pulsing and collecting the "Radiant Pulse". I had a very large voltage sitting on top of the battery terminals, and in my ignorance, I simultaneously touched both battery terminals to disconnect the battery and Wham! Returning to your test, I must admit I have wondered why the nst or similar is so important. it is because it emulates a return radiant pulse which must then be enhancing another process. The voltage is the instrument that releases the electric gas, for want of another expression. so it might be concluded that this is what don was doing, using HV HF pulses to liberate the electric gas. Resonance, was a means to amplify his process and more efficiently contain it. So I guess, what we are searching for is the holy grail of energy capture, storage and reuse!

Regards

Dwane

[tswift]

Closed-loop test successful.... (maybe)

Now that I have the improved ground, I decided to go back and revisit the self-looping test I described several posts back, using the Avramenko diodes to ground with the PVM12. I never did get this to self-power continuously, the brief time it ran up instead of down it was obviously due to my zapping the battery with the big NST first, and it didn't last very long. However, if the ground is good enough, and the voltage from the HV power supply is high enough, then according to Don this kind of configuration ought to run continuously without discharging the battery. Actually according to Don you don't even need both the Avramenko diodes, just a "kickback" diode at the battery positive terminal, with negative tied directly to ground.

Instead of the PVM12, I used the solid state Tesla coil I've been working on, a slayer exciter would work find too at these low power levels. Running directly from one of my very weak, badly abused 12V gel-cells, it ran continuously for over an hour, until I ran out of time for experimenting this evening and had to stop it. The voltage was steady at around 9.73V and the current draw was about 0.45A. As I watched the voltage actually very slowly climbed, from 9.70, to 9.71, to 9.72, and up to 9.73. This is not a conclusive test because the amp-hour meter only registered about 0.5 AH total before I stopped the test and the battery is nominally a 5 AH battery. However, I know this battery is very weak and has nowhere its rated capacity and normally the voltage under load would still droop slowly and progressively, and it didn't. Just based on lots of testing experience, it seemed to me as if excess power was showing up and I probably could have left it running continuously forever, but that's not the same as actually doing so and measuring it.

Other evidence is that the closer I got the battery to the SSTC the better the charging seemed to be. I had to retune the SSTC each time I moved it, but I experimented with different positions and there definitely seemed to be a proximity effect. You can see from the picture that I ended up with the battery only a couple inches from the hot end of the coil, and it was in this position that I left it for an hour while watching the voltage with the inline voltmeter.

So I will call it not "conclusive", but a "maybe" success. It seems as if this configuration is drawing in radiant energy from the earth connection, and the improved earth connection is enough to make it run self-looped, whereas it wouldn't previously. I would love to test it for longer but I have to be out of town for a few days and won't have time for further experimentation until next week. Other experimenters are welcome to try playing around with this configuration, try using a high frequency 12V NST, or a slayer exciter or SSTC if you have one. Sparks aren't necessary for the effect, there shouldn't be any arcing or even corona going on. There is also a 1N5822 Schottky diode in the lead going to battery positive, it's hard to see in the pictures. Any high-speed diode of suitable current rating will probably do (UF4001 and others) but the Schottky diode has lower forward voltage drop.

[mikrovolt]

@Gedfire,
What was Don Smith's last words?

Tesla took that one wire model when he traveled to England to give a lecture.
It was a demonstration concept model. The items shown in the picture above
were transported in wooden boxes in that picture a Tesla HV transformer is enclosed in a box.
Here is another early demo showing transformer, possibly an early replication ?
Early Tesla Demo.JPG

Ruhmkorf has been widely recognized and what size and what interrupter type or variable frequency.
just like a kid in a candy store.
https://youtu.be/btpFGpmAV0s

PWM controller using IGBT. page 15 section 3.1 also figure 8
finally 3.3 figure 11 shows protected and equipped for serious inductive current load at 500V
pwm is a weak signal that adjusts the pulse width
http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slua618/slua618.pdf

[tswift]

No takers?

Well, it looks like an example of single wire power transmission and capacitive coupling, but I don't see any power gain likely to happen. Of course, one would have to build an experimental configuration to be sure, perhaps you could use the PVM12 or a suitable high frequency NST instead of the induction coil, and I have plenty of ongoing experiments already. But it does look interesting and probably merits some testing by someone....

[Gedfire]

No takers? Tesla's Wheel Work? No?

Dear fellow researchers.


I found something lastnight .You see, I was rereading Don's Last Words.

Then I looked up single wire transmission etc.Then the article mentioned tesla.
So I read Tesla's lecture seen here.

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"



FASCINATING.I have seen something like this before and actually made something, but it only lights a very small bulb.It can't power my 400w drill.
What if I scaled up?

You know use 200v at 500hz? Does any know how to use a PWM to drive an IGBT or Transistor?

Does it reflect Don's Last Words?

No takers?