Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[tswift]

Hi Tswift,
Do you think the connections to the battery from the plug should be reversed?

Yes, my mistake! Obviously if you connect it the way I drew it, and your battery has any charge in it to begin with, your diodes will fry in short order. But hopefully you get the idea....

[med.3012]

The capacitive transfer of energy is not a secret. The issue of its utilization. At us in Kiev (Ukraine) children do the devices - the primary is a kondesator obkladatora from old daylight devices (gas-discharge lamps). And eat the usual winding. Everything is winding on the core. reactive component of the consumer network. converted to active. A bit, unstable but important is the process itself.
There is also a patent for this technology. http://www.sergey-osetrov.narod.ru/P..._Kuldochin.pdf

Thanks for pointing me to this patent (a friend already let me know about it ) , if you read Don PDF you see clearly the importance of reactive component ; he talk about a special process where the voltage equal the amperage! in electrical engineering no one will accept this, how voltage can equal to current ? in other hand he talk about a resistance that convert the process to active radiant energy ? it seem there's a special mechanism involve electrons spin also, if you notice still we don't discuss all those key with the needed importance,

1- special reactive power where V = i ( physical not quantative )
2-a resistor convert reactive to active
3-electrons spin
4-energy balance
5-bloch wall
6-electron spin separation mechanism
7- a faster wave being a magnetic resonating waves
8-biological effect as Pro Meyl discovered - the DNA send/receive/store information, send/receive/store is a natural process can be found in permanent magnet

the time when we discuss these phenomena we are very close to the correct Don device.

[Dwane]

Test 2

Hi Tswift,
OK, I have a 12 inverter and a variac so I shall set this up tonight and see how it goes. Incidentally, the previous test I am running is slowly charging two large 12v batteries that I know one of which is problematic. They are both showing 12.24 volts moved up from 12.07 in parallel. I attribute the increase to the substitution of a GDT to replace the SG. A lot sharper signal.

Will let you know how it goes. Thanks

Dwane

[Rakarskiy]

The capacitive transfer of energy is not a secret. The issue of its utilization. At us in Kiev (Ukraine) children do the devices - the primary is a kondesator obkladatora from old daylight devices (gas-discharge lamps). And eat the usual winding. Everything is winding on the core. reactive component of the consumer network. converted to active. A bit, unstable but important is the process itself.
There is also a patent for this technology. http://www.sergey-osetrov.narod.ru/P..._Kuldochin.pdf

[tswift]

I get the message that the input is critical to this test? I like to think I live in a modern country, but, that does not mean I can always get want I want that others in their countries are able to get. This time, it is the 12v HVHF power supply. Previous was the Metglass transformer core. My nst is 220-240 vac. Not going to cut it. I see the PVM12 listed at US$ 99.95, then plus freight, for me with the FX rate, about AU$ 170+. Plus waiting time! Pity, this test might have gone somewhere. At 30 watts, the PVM12 would be a lot better than my cheap nst. Perhaps I should look at making something?

The NST output voltage is all that matters for the battery-zapping experiment, it doesn't matter what your grid power specs are. You also don't have to use a PVM12, I have one on hand and it's been pretty robust and very useful for experiments. The point is that it has a transformer and it's an inverter (not for 12V to 120V 60Hz, but for HVHF) so if you feed it radiant energy then it will operate over unity. But for testing you could use a normal cheap 12V to 120V 60Hz inverter (or 220/240V 50Hz for our overseas colleagues), which is something probably all of us experimenters probably have laying around. All you have to do is power the inverter using the battery you have just zapped with the first circuit, and you should note that the inverter can deliver much more power than normal without increased input current draw. If all of a sudden you can get a kilowatt from a small gel-cell then you know something unusual must be happening. Based on what I experienced with the PVM12, you will see a short period of a few seconds to perhaps a minute of enhanced output with less current draw, then it will progressively go back to normal behavior. Remember that this is an open-loop configuration, not even attempting to run it closed loop. If this is successful then it essentially proves and demonstrates that the overunity effect (A) exists and works as advertised and (B) is due to the altered nature of the charge stored in the battery when it's charged in the right way.

My experiment with the PVM12 configuration was an attempt to keep charging the battery while under load using the capacitive coupling from the HV output. It wasn't successful at first. It was only after I zapped the battery from the 60 Hz NST that it ran up instead of down while looped, but still only briefly. Based on what I know now, if I tried this test again I would use a much smaller plate on the HV output wire of the PVM12. This would cause less loading on the PVM12 and much larger voltage swing than the big plate I was using at the time (probably close to 1 square foot). Under the right conditions it's possible that this could work and run the PVM12 continuously self-looped, because the battery is getting charged with radiant energy from the earth charging by induction, but I haven't done this successfully yet.

It was this test, where I clearly and unmistakably saw the overunity gain manifest in a normal off-the-shelf transformer, that proves a number of different points. Mostly that the transformer design and materials aren't what makes the difference, you will never achieve the results you're looking for just by tinkering with this. What works the magic is the energy itself, and when it's present any normal ordinary transformer will then run OU because of the Lenz's law cancellation (motors too, for the same reason). You're already zapping a battery, just try powering some different things with the battery and check the results and see for yourself. Do you note any differences? Does it make any difference how long you zap it for? Does it make any difference how long it sits after zapping it before using it? Try starting your car with it. If you can start your car from a small gel-cell then you have to suspect something unusual is going on....

[Dwane]

Aha! I finally got someone to try it! It's not that I don't appreciate all the people chiming in with different theories, but what turns a theory into accepted fact is EXPERIMENTAL PROOF. I've read all, or at least most, of those other theories and sources before and they were often confusing, or contradictory, or unclear, and generally there's no easy way of translating the theory to, "OK, now how do I use this to build a working device?"

On the contrary, what I'm showing is easily testable, demonstrable, and repeatable. You don't need any coils at all, or magnets, or tuning and resonance, to demonstrate the effect. Some more details: when I did this it was with a battery that was more or less completely discharged (perhaps 10V) and very weak from lots of deep cycling and hard abuse in experiments. I used a weak battery on purpose so that the tiny charging current would be evident, and it would be immediately clear in a self-looped configuration if it was running up or down. And indeed this is what I did next with the battery after zapping it for a few minutes, I used to power my PVM12 HVHF supply (which it only just barely would) in a looped configuration like Don's self-charging battery where the battery is connected with Avramenko diodes to ground.



When I turned on the PVM12, the voltage plunged to something like 7V (barely enough to keep it operating) but then within a few seconds, ZOOM! It shot up to more than the voltage where I started it and kept climbing for about a minute, until the effect dissipated and it went back to normal behavior and ran down again.

Remember that the actual power gain ONLY MANIFESTS IN A TRANSFORMER OR MOTOR. You won't see it unless you run the right kind of load with the battery. The battery still won't look very charged because it isn't. This test is just to demonstrate the nature of radiant energy and how it really is just electricity, only a different kind of electricity. It still travels through wires and can be carried on electrons or ions. It's almost like the normal, familiar electricity we know and love has a multiple personality disorder. Under just the right conditions, it can be coaxed to show its other side. But then you can store it in that condition, and I really can't figure out why that would be the case but it seems to be. I still have a lot more questions than answers but I'm trying to share what I have learned so far.

Hi Tswift,
I get the message that the input is critical to this test? I like to think I live in a modern country, but, that does not mean I can always get want I want that others in their countries are able to get. This time, it is the 12v HVHF power supply. Previous was the Metglass transformer core. My nst is 220-240 vac. Not going to cut it. I see the PVM12 listed at US$ 99.95, then plus freight, for me with the FX rate, about AU$ 170+. Plus waiting time! Pity, this test might have gone somewhere. At 30 watts, the PVM12 would be a lot better than my cheap nst. Perhaps I should look at making something?

Incidentally, I review all the tests or projects I see discussed, and try to make an informed decision as to practicality of build, based upon components I have, or difficulty is getting components, time and whether the circuit/ test is within my game plan. Too much?

Regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

I've read all, or at least most, of those other theories and sources before and they were often confusing, or contradictory, or unclear, and generally there's no easy way of translating the theory to, "OK, now how do I use this to build a working device?"
....
I still have a lot more questions than answers but I'm trying to share what I have learned so far.

Hello

i think most participants here want to share knowledge, where how and when we have successfully achieve our goal isn't important , it happen soon when we feel we are brother in humanity on this earth, we still have free access to more valuable resources on this earth , water , air , etc ...

[tswift]

I have been running this test circuit for about 30 hours now. Perhaps it is my small NST, 10kv 30ma, that is not sufficient. Whilst running it is more likely to run my battery down. Is it possible this battery is sulphated? Needs conditioning? However, I replaced the battery with a cap and charging was 1.1 volt per second. The output voltage from the nst, via the variac was around 2kv.So some juice is coming from the circuit. What I did notice on the scope was that I was getting a lot of positive going voltage activity. Very much like extra fine voltage strikes. Changing the HVHF diodes did not eliminate this. Not a clean output.

As you say, very much a Bedini type response, different scenario.

Aha! I finally got someone to try it! It's not that I don't appreciate all the people chiming in with different theories, but what turns a theory into accepted fact is EXPERIMENTAL PROOF. I've read all, or at least most, of those other theories and sources before and they were often confusing, or contradictory, or unclear, and generally there's no easy way of translating the theory to, "OK, now how do I use this to build a working device?"

On the contrary, what I'm showing is easily testable, demonstrable, and repeatable. You don't need any coils at all, or magnets, or tuning and resonance, to demonstrate the effect. Some more details: when I did this it was with a battery that was more or less completely discharged (perhaps 10V) and very weak from lots of deep cycling and hard abuse in experiments. I used a weak battery on purpose so that the tiny charging current would be evident, and it would be immediately clear in a self-looped configuration if it was running up or down. And indeed this is what I did next with the battery after zapping it for a few minutes, I used to power my PVM12 HVHF supply (which it only just barely would) in a looped configuration like Don's self-charging battery where the battery is connected with Avramenko diodes to ground.



When I turned on the PVM12, the voltage plunged to something like 7V (barely enough to keep it operating) but then within a few seconds, ZOOM! It shot up to more than the voltage where I started it and kept climbing for about a minute, until the effect dissipated and it went back to normal behavior and ran down again.

Remember that the actual power gain ONLY MANIFESTS IN A TRANSFORMER OR MOTOR. You won't see it unless you run the right kind of load with the battery. The battery still won't look very charged because it isn't. This test is just to demonstrate the nature of radiant energy and how it really is just electricity, only a different kind of electricity. It still travels through wires and can be carried on electrons or ions. It's almost like the normal, familiar electricity we know and love has a multiple personality disorder. Under just the right conditions, it can be coaxed to show its other side. But then you can store it in that condition, and I really can't figure out why that would be the case but it seems to be. I still have a lot more questions than answers but I'm trying to share what I have learned so far.

[med.3012]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_energy

In the resonant circuit, in the coil, under the phase shift of the current and voltage, there is a position when on the graph, Current and Voltage, have opposite signs. At this point, the coil is the source, and generates energy.

The problem is the overclocking of the resonant circuit and the removal of energy, so that the resonant circuit has no feedback. Most likely, it was D. Smith who decided when he got acquainted with the closed materials of N. Tesla.

Hello,


according Don Smith normal measurement equipment can't detect radiant energy effectively, in other hand we can solve the problem if we use the correct capacitor/coils combination, Don stated something like that in his Yahoo group participation again i will give the link :


https://energyevo.com/2015/01/18/upd...y-yahoo-group/


https://energyevo.com/2016/08/05/nue...missing-posts/



it's clear he used a capacitive coupling rather than inductive coupling, the technique i suggest use this kind of coupling, we are able to go further when using the concept S-ETBC because each ETBC blind the next ETBC allowing only the magnetic flux to pass, this boost the voltage in L2 coil for quick capacitor charging.

[Rakarskiy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_energy

In the resonant circuit, in the coil, under the phase shift of the current and voltage, there is a position when on the graph, Current and Voltage, have opposite signs. At this point, the coil is the source, and generates energy.

The problem is the overclocking of the resonant circuit and the removal of energy, so that the resonant circuit has no feedback. Most likely, it was D. Smith who decided when he got acquainted with the closed materials of N. Tesla.

[mikrovolt]

Bob Smith,
There was a mathematics physicist named David Clements of Oxford University
visited John Bedini after coming to a conclusion there was a "negative" energy
of old that had vanished from equations. In reply John went into theory on
how this missing energy is triggered. ref:John Bedini - Inside Radiant Energy - Disc 6

The interview David Clements asked John Bedini "what was radiant energy ?"
Atlas Tesla's Radiant Energy

[Gedfire]

Wheel work of Nature

Dear fellow researchers.


I found something lastnight .You see, I was rereading Don's Last Words.

Then I looked up single wire transmission etc.Then the article mentioned tesla.
So I read Tesla's lecture seen here.

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"



FASCINATING.I have seen something like this before and actually made something, but it only lights a very small bulb.It can't power my 400w drill.
What if I scaled up?

You know use 200v at 500hz? Does any know how to use a PWM to drive an IGBT or Transistor?

Does it reflect Don's Last Words?

[boguslaw]

Do you know maybe why Tesla started with spark gap, then moved to quenched spark gap , then to rotary breakers and ended up with klystron vacuum tube switch ? If you know- you will understand why it is so hard to get extra energy using spark gap

[Dwane]

I find that nothing is as powerful for settling debates as experimental proof. For those who have not seen the radiant effect manifest personally, the following experimental setup will do it. It's what I used the first time it happened to me. If you run this for a little while to get some radiant energy into the battery, then you can hook the battery up and use it to run something with a transformer (such as a 12V inverter) and you will briefly see the overunity gain manifest. It doesn't last long, perhaps a minute. Obviously the longer you charge the battery the better results you're likely to get, but it isn't practical to charge even a small battery very much this way because of the miniscule charging current. For the battery I used a small 12V gel-cell, perhaps 5 AH.



For more control, use a variac before the HV transformer and turn it up just until the spark gap starts arcing, and then back it off very slightly to achieve stable firing at 120 Hz (or 100 Hz for our overseas friends). If this gets your gap too hot, just use one lead from the transformer and you will have 50/60 Hz sparks. I used a 10 KV oil-burner ignition transformer rated 240 VA, any 60 Hz neon sign transformer with a reasonable wattage rating will do. You could use an HVHF power supply like a flyback to charge a small HV cap (which then discharges through the gap with every firing) to achieve similar results if you have those parts on hand instead.

The real question, the one I pondered over since I first saw this work a year and a half ago, is WHY DOES THIS WORK? It's so stunningly simple, kind of like most of Don's devices. At the time I was using a normal house wiring ground, you've heard me say previously that with enough voltage even this works, but you're likely to get better results with an improved ground.

The answer is that this radiant energy, the stuff that works the magic, is provably just a different form of the stuff we call electricity. Like Don said, it can be stored in capacitors and batteries. To produce it doesn't require any complicated arrangements of coils, resonance, magnets, or indeed anything but an HV dipole! For those familiar with Bedini's devices, the idea of charging a battery using a large positive spike should sound very familiar. Bedini used the flyback pulse from a sizeable inductor to achieve the same result, but it isn't the coil that works the magic, it's the voltage of the dipole itself and it doesn't matter how you produce it.

Hi there Tswift,

I have been running this test circuit for about 30 hours now. Perhaps it is my small NST, 10kv 30ma, that is not sufficient. Whilst running it is more likely to run my battery down. Is it possible this battery is sulphated? Needs conditioning? However, I replaced the battery with a cap and charging was 1.1 volt per second. The output voltage from the nst, via the variac was around 2kv.So some juice is coming from the circuit. What I did notice on the scope was that I was getting a lot of positive going voltage activity. Very much like extra fine voltage strikes. Changing the HVHF diodes did not eliminate this. Not a clean output.

As you say, very much a Bedini type response, different scenario.

regards

Dwane

[med.3012]

With the talk about coils, bloch wall, I thought I'd drop this in - posted by John Bedini 3 years ago:
https://www.energeticforum.com/renew...tml#post266282

Yes i agree with John inspiration, my respect to this great man.