Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[med.3012]

Yes, building and trying is pretty much the only path to progress. It's possible to formulate any number of interesting-sounding theories only to discover that they don't work in practice.

did you tried all the interesting-sounding theories? so you are sure they don't work !!

[tswift]

well.. that's it!.. my wild Idea of Don's Tabletop Device...
all thats left is to build and see If I'm learning or Hallucinating things..

Yes, building and trying is pretty much the only path to progress. It's possible to formulate any number of interesting-sounding theories only to discover that they don't work in practice. I think you're understanding the resonance in the Don Smith device, configurations like the tabletop device are essentially dual-resonant Tesla coils. In order to get a much smaller size than a traditional Tesla coil, Don uses a cap on L2 because its natural 1/4 wave resonance is much higher. With a configuration like this, when L1 is spark excited you can actually see both the LC resonance (at perhaps a few hundred kilohertz) and the 1/4 wave resonance (at perhaps a few megahertz). Just putting the scope probe within a few inches of L2 is sufficient due to capacitive coupling through the air. If you do the arithmetic on the tabletop device pictures, using the presented cap values and making a reasonable estimate for the inductance of L2, you arrive at a resonance of something like 200 KHz. I did it once but now I don't remember the exact number. The drive frequency of the NST/HVM really doesn't seem to matter, it's just a spark excited Tesla coil.

However, as can be seen from some of Don's other devices, it's not the spark excitation itself that has anything important to do with the radiant effect. It's the oscillating dielectric field around the dipole (L2) that makes things around it radiant as they try to restore ambient equilibrium. So with that in mind I've been designing and building a better configuration that is a whole lot quieter than my spark-excited Tesla coil. It's a true SSTC suitable for power levels up to 100W or so. The drive circuit is an SG3525 IC powering the gates of two 13N06 MOSFETs at 320 KHz. The drive IC is powered from a separate supply than the +V going to the MOSFETs. I have a new better bench supply that can go up to 32V and 5A, you can see it in the pictures. Current draw is modest if the tuning is good, the MOSFET heatsink gets warm but not unreasonably hot. I have experimented with both antenna feedback and current transformer feedback and so far haven't gotten good results for self-tuning. Right now I just manually adjust the resistor on the SG3525 for resonance. This is the same chip used in the PVM12 unit, the drive circuit is very nearly the same. The chip can only go up to 400 KHz, so I wound a new L2 secondary with a lower resonant frequency for this application. For SSTC design you usually want a high coupling ratio between primary and secondary, so a shorter wider coil becomes desirable. At these power levels, operating in CW mode, the coil doesn't throw off sparks. A tiny bit of corona is evident at the tip of the secondary if you view it in complete darkness.

The output circuit is Don's, essentially the same as the plasma ball device. A two-turn current pickup loop feeds a diode bridge (four 1N5822 Schottky fast diodes), which charges the 12V 83F supercap bank. The voltage on the whole pickup/output assembly is floating, it is not grounded and thus it doesn't affect coil tuning very much. This does make taking measurements a bit hard since you can't just attach a scope probe or voltmeter to it while operating, I measured almost 3KV p-p voltage on the whole assembly using my HV scope probe. Thankfully I have some of these cheap analog panel meters kicking around and they work just fine if you don't need high accuracy. This arrangement worked better than I expected and is fairly efficient at delivering charging current to the supercaps. It takes about 18V of drive input to the MOSFET half-bridge to reach 12V on the supercaps. I also scavenged and reused my previously built shunt regulator (basically just a beefier zener diode) and attached it as a way to keep the cap bank from overcharging. This also provides a direct way to measure the charging current, because once the cap bank is full and the shunt regulator kicks in you can measure the current through it, as seen on the ammeter. With 28V drive, the charging current is right about half an amp. If I up the voltage to 32V (max for this P/S) I can get almost an amp.

The remaining details to finish the circuit are the design and construction of the step-down converter. I plan on building another SG3525-based driven inverter stage that will feed a 12V-to-12V isolation transformer. This transformer will have to have very good insulation between primary and secondary since it could see 3KV or more of voltage difference. This is also where the power gain should occur, since the charge in the cap bank is radiant. When this is used to drive the step-down inverter stage, it should run cold and show a power gain due to Lenz's law reduction. Then all that's necessary is use a beefy full bridge of high-speed diodes to get 12V at high current which can then be used to feed any off-the-shelf inverter for grid-compatible power. The 12V drive can be used to run the L1 side inverter, through a boost converter if necessary to get the 12V up to 24V or so depending on the current requirements of the step-down converter. So far in my experiments with SG3525-based designs I can get the no-load current requirements down to about 150 mA at 12V.

[ricards]

Throwing the Idea Out

after finally understanding Electrical resonance...

I've re-read Don's PDF again and realized some things. in the section "Air Core Induction Builders Guide".

Don smith was very specific about the construction of L2 Coil (Output). to the point that it has to be Full, 1/2, 1/4 Wavelength, not specifying why... he then throws.. you have to divide by 247 for 1/4 wavelength, by the frequency you chose.. etc... and then match this and match that.. its an incomplete guide.. but yes there are hints...

I will literally throw my Idea Here..

First the Idea why don was suggesting to divide chosen frequency by 247 for 1/4 wavelength to get wave length was because EM wave travel at the speed of light if it travels along the wire and "Stationary Waves" occur the Idea is to Tap at those Node and Anti-Node Points.
In His example 247 / 24.7 Mhz is 10 ft..
The 1/4 Wavelength of EM wave traveling at speed of light (983,317,760
ft/s) is 9.95 ft... pretty close!

The Primary Coil was suggested to be 10 turns again for no reason.. If we are trying to make a "Resonance Energy Device" oscillate at "Resonance" we should also consider this... why?... in order to get a Standard value Capacitor... its more practical to vary the Inductance by adding spacer on coils rather than trouble ourselves on variable capacitors on nf-uf values..

Suggested Power Input was Neon sign Transformers.. In the Videos it was stated to be 30khz again... why?.. aren't we supposed to pulse at 24.7 Mhz?
is there a power supply like that?.. maybe a signal generator.. to pulse a FET?.. I remember seeing a Replication of "salty citrus" without spark gaps, but with electronic circuitry..
I never saw the table top device run in any of the videos... maybe I missed it.. or maybe... It was never meant to run... (speculations )..
There is a phenomenon called "Harmonic" if you double the frequency you will have more overtones and the wavelength of Standing waves decreases..
Let us try that in Reverse.. let us decrease the frequency and keep dividing it by 2... in an Excel Spreadsheet I've included here one lower "Harmonic" is 24 khz which is close to 30 khz.. you can actually Engineer the whole design so that the Coils are to match the capacitors (at standard Values) and still use the 30khz neon sign, or you can do the other way around, build a resonant coil L1 and L2 and have a variable frequency input.. I've Included in the spreadsheet attached my calculations..
anyone can use and Check if any of my calculations are wrong ...
so basically to cut the long story short... we have to pulse at lower Harmonic Frequency BUT we have to make sure our coils and capacitors both L1C1 tank and L2C2 tank are designed to oscillate at this lower frequency..

so to reiterate things..
Design L2 Coil by EM Wavelength to Desired Frequency at MHZ range, use speed of light..
Find Lower Harmonic frequency of that Mhz at Khz Range.
Design your L2 Coil so that you will arrive at Standard Valued Capacitor..
Design your L1 Coil also to have a Standard Value Caps, but make sure Its in a Step-up configuration..
L1C1 Tank and L2C2 Tank must resonate at the same frequency.
Pulse L1 at this Specific Frequency.

Attached is an Excel Calculator to help with the overall design...

well.. that's it!.. my wild Idea of Don's Tabletop Device...
all thats left is to build and see If I'm learning or Hallucinating things..

[ricards]

Excellent Ricards !! Now consider the possibility of "Never Discharging" the energy in the caps by altering the balance and allowing a natural re-balance. This does amount to a capacitive voltage divider but the current increase is extraordinarily impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVbTQnRmKM

Take note of the watt meter - these are 50 watt bulbs in parallel moving an average of 15 amps through them. The primary storage caps are never discharged in this demonstration.

1/2 of the original energy comes from the battery, the other half comes from the cap storage - all the energy is then stored in the opposing cap. The re-balancing is free which restores the original energy in the both caps. The loss is the 1/2 used from the battery to initiate an imbalance. Approximately 1/4 of the total energy exerted on the output is depleted from the battery.

I didn't quite get that... haha can you explain further...
I was thinking If I don't deplete the capacitor's fully to charge it from 0, the charge from that cap would limit the current from my battery, this will make the output in between caps low as well..

The best output I got was to deplete the charged capacitor's fully.. so I can charge it from 0, this will give greater output In between capacitors, and to discharge it rapidly (which is already the nature of the capacitors..), just need to make sure my transformer's primary impedance/resistance is very low.

I can think of two ways to do this.. Either Increase my source voltage or discharge through a spark (negative resistance), or both.. like tesla did.. (now I know why he did what he did).

The shorter the Charge/Discharge time (Impulse) the greater the output in both sides of the capacitor.

I think its too early to conclude what is going on in between capacitor's is by environment input. but it is also hard to say that it is because of the source.. well it was influenced by it, But I literally did not PUT a charge on that side.. yet there is something there that can power loads.. you get what I mean?..

[dragon]

Excellent Ricards !! Now consider the possibility of "Never Discharging" the energy in the caps by altering the balance and allowing a natural re-balance. This does amount to a capacitive voltage divider but the current increase is extraordinarily impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVbTQnRmKM

Take note of the watt meter - these are 50 watt bulbs in parallel moving an average of 15 amps through them. The primary storage caps are never discharged in this demonstration.

1/2 of the original energy comes from the battery, the other half comes from the cap storage - all the energy is then stored in the opposing cap. The re-balancing is free which restores the original energy in the both caps. The loss is the 1/2 used from the battery to initiate an imbalance. Approximately 1/4 of the total energy exerted on the output is depleted from the battery.

[ricards]

Capacitor Experiment

say... I thought and drew a schematic of a low voltage Hairpin configuration, I compensated it with high capacitance, so the total energy in the capacitor is high enough, though I haven't build it yet. hoping it would light up and recycle the energy.

This is it, the hairpin configuration I was talking about,
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B2Fwo_k9ss&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

the clock is switching two mosfet's to charge a capacitor and dump the charge to the load alternately, a bulb is between two capacitor in series to see what is happening there..

It is quite interesting to see the bulb in between capacitor is lit by both Charging and discharging time (although half the voltage further test shows this is not the case ).
but definitely you can recycle the energy via step up transformer..

no input-output measurement done.. just experiment to study a non-electromagnetic approach to power a load..

[med.3012]

I've just notice I have been using the Spark Gap incorrectly..

Upon re-reading "Smith" PDF again.. I realized this is highlighted.. that the spark gap was not really used as an active component but more of a voltage protection.

upon drawing it up individually in different arrangement (Capacitor,Inductor,Spark Gap) .. I realized the whole circuit behaves differently..

most of the time I use Charge Capacitor>Discharge to Coil by Spark Gap.

anyway just want to share as I think this is important.

I suggest to draw up a schematic of different Spark Gap Arrangements and apply what we learned from tswift's radiant energy school.

Hello !

the spark gap can be used as active component and as voltage protection , this mean we need more than one in a single setup , the reason for using it as active component is the need for some kind of regulation , in HV the spark gap offer a cheap and available solution , in another stage it can be used as protection , for example with step down transformer .

[ricards]

Spark Gap Location

I've just notice I have been using the Spark Gap incorrectly..

Upon re-reading "Smith" PDF again.. I realized this is highlighted.. that the spark gap was not really used as an active component but more of a voltage protection.

upon drawing it up individually in different arrangement (Capacitor,Inductor,Spark Gap) .. I realized the whole circuit behaves differently..

most of the time I use Charge Capacitor>Discharge to Coil by Spark Gap.

anyway just want to share as I think this is important.

I suggest to draw up a schematic of different Spark Gap Arrangements and apply what we learned from tswift's radiant energy school.

[Wistiti]

F.Y.I.

A youtube video by Hakan Egne provides some insight into his spin vortex
theory (postulation). It gives a good overview (review) and may well have significant
merit; it's thought provoking at the vary least!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawL3WxzkUk

Although he drifts toward the micro level and then astrophysics of sorts; his theory may
well assist in explaining the "telescope (a.k.a. grenade) coil" used in many CE schemes.

For example: how excess energy is "drawn into" these schemes - coil winding reversal
as well as the employment of multiple wavelength fractions. You do not have stretch the
imagination too far to "connect the dots!"

FIN

Thank you Solarlab for this link!
It is really instructive.

[Solarlab]

F.Y.I.

A youtube video by Hakan Egne provides some insight into his spin vortex
theory (postulation). It gives a good overview (review) and may well have significant
merit; it's thought provoking at the vary least!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawL3WxzkUk

Although he drifts toward the micro level and then astrophysics of sorts; his theory may
well assist in explaining the "telescope (a.k.a. grenade) coil" used in many CE schemes.

For example: how excess energy is "drawn into" these schemes - coil winding reversal
as well as the employment of multiple wavelength fractions. You do not have stretch the
imagination too far to "connect the dots!"

FIN

[mikrovolt]

Grounding and cold electricity on health
I move to a new home and found out its power grid system have EM smog that give me headache, low quality sleep, joint pain, nightmare, sleep startle, allergy, and waked up to walk lack of balancing etc.
After I safely grounded my self, all the problems above solved.

When I use cold electricity of Bedini SSG (No flywheel, less quality resonance by LED) by attach positive charging side to my grounding plate, I start to feel good and relieved somehow, but the sleep is shallow. Maybe a better resonant cold electricity is better!

But when I attach the base side of SSG circuit (Yang, strong or negative pole pulse) to my grounding plate, sleep startle, headache, tense, even worsen immunity/allergy start to rise up

@ Izbin80 Looking at an AC residential house.
a moderate spark gap can be used as a transmitter and an AM radio
as a detector locating hot spots to map out walls, floors, equipment and even underground. Those locations nearby you can change the balance
in that area. The spark transmission is loose coupled to wires when the power is off and the AM radio is used as a wand while listening with headphones.
Improving the grounds by watering around each ground rod can be helpful.

The idea of grounding one self can be expanded to the aspect of being included in the natural bands
rather than being subject to the resonating of the unnatural spectra.

The house wiring itself is a job for a qualified electrician
it involves balancing the load on each breaker making sure the neutral (white) wire is not getting warm
and drawing too many amps sometimes referred to as electrical panel phasing, it can reduce 60 cycle noise
and reduce the electric bill if the wiring is incorrect.

Mapping cell phone emission, wifi ect, ect, we can find the direction and attempt limiting the emission to a a few bars.

[tswift]

I am still working on the power circuit as well, right now I'm designing two solid state inverter stages, one for the SSTC section to replace the spark gap Tesla coil I have going now, and one for the step-down section to drive the Don-style isolation transformer. I have that one nearly complete, it's an SG3525 chip running two small MOSFETs as a driven inverter at about 30 KHz, with a hand wound toroid having extra insulation to provide at least 10 KV isolation capability.

Now I need to build a real SSTC, one that can provide perhaps 50 watts of output power. Enough to drive the step-down inverter stage, but not enough to make big sparks at the top. Right now I'm waiting on parts, I needed some fresh wire to wind the secondary. SSTC design has its own set of design tradeoffs and is usually close-coupled without a resonant primary. The close coupling means a much wider and shorter secondary than is commonly seen in spark gap coils. I have tried using the simple "slayer exciter" circuit, and it works well but just isn't enough power to drive the Don Smith pickup coil and step-down inverter stage. I'm planning on using a half-bridge inverter design to keep parts count low, and I have to wind a new secondary since the resonant frequency needs to be down in the 200-300 KHz range, not the 700 KHz of my current resonator. This keeps switching losses low, and if I use the SG3525 chip, it's only good for about 400 Khz. Here's a picture of the previous build with spark-gap excitation:

[tswift]

Grounding and cold electricity on health
I move to a new home and found out its power grid system have EM smog that give me headache, low quality sleep, joint pain, nightmare, sleep startle, allergy, and waked up to walk lack of balancing etc.
After I safely grounded my self, all the problems above solved.

When I use cold electricity of Bedini SSG (No flywheel, less quality resonance by LED) by attach positive charging side to my grounding plate, I start to feel good and relieved somehow, but the sleep is shallow. Maybe a better resonant cold electricity is better!

But when I attach the base side of SSG circuit (Yang, strong or negative pole pulse) to my grounding plate, sleep startle, headache, tense, even worsen immunity/allergy start to rise up

Very interesting! I see your research has paralleled mine. Yes, it's no surprise that there is a connection between cold electricity/radiant energy and health, by now many researchers have noticed this and commented on it. The only trick is how best to accomplish it, the realization I had was that it really isn't any different than a power circuit, only with your body taking the place of the radiant energy receiver. This would be hard to do with a Bedini-style pulse charger because it would give you a pretty uncomfortable zap (if not outright dangerous) if you grounded yourself while applying the positive output side. Did you keep experimenting with this, and have you found any better solutions?

[tswift]

That's really intuitive tswift!, putting underunity to practical use, In my opinion that's really a lot better than overunity without any practical use.

say... I thought and drew a schematic of a low voltage Hairpin configuration, I compensated it with high capacitance, so the total energy in the capacitor is high enough, though I haven't build it yet. hoping it would light up and recycle the energy.

It very well might. I wasn't able to prove a power gain from my simple hairpin circuit, but I think there's definitely some unconventional stuff going on, and the capacitance matters. A lower voltage circuit with more capacitance might give better results. Keep us posted on what you find!

[lzbin80]

Grounding and cold electricity on health

Grounding and cold electricity on health
I move to a new home and found out its power grid system have EM smog that give me headache, low quality sleep, joint pain, nightmare, sleep startle, allergy, and waked up to walk lack of balancing etc.
After I safely grounded my self, all the problems above solved.

When I use cold electricity of Bedini SSG (No flywheel, less quality resonance by LED) by attach positive charging side to my grounding plate, I start to feel good and relieved somehow, but the sleep is shallow. Maybe a better resonant cold electricity is better!

But when I attach the base side of SSG circuit (Yang, strong or negative pole pulse) to my grounding plate, sleep startle, headache, tense, even worsen immunity/allergy start to rise up