Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[BroMikey]

I have been hard at work and my research has progressed.

The only major respect I know of where it acts notably different is when you send it through a motor or transformer, the normal Lenz's law relationship does not apply and an overunity gain is seen at the secondary (of a transformer) or excess mechanical power in a motor (a la Gray).


The "storage" capacitor just intercepts the charge moving between this implied capacitor and ground, and then it periodically gets dumped into a transformer.

That's all I have time for today, stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Radiant Energy School, coming soon!

Yes like the litzed wire transformer John Bedini used in his SSSG. This
was low voltage of course and the spark gap might have been considered
the transistor junction to some.

Radiant travels on the skin of a wire. You can smell ozone when you
are making the good stuff. I don't know what good that smell is.

[ricards]

The output from a tesla coil would need to be rectified for this to work properly. A spark gap with different size balls will act as a rectifier - moving from small to large easily and suppressing the return from large to small.

For a good insulator (dielectric) on homemade HV caps you can use the material from the roll up snow sleds. I've tested this well above 20kv without a breach. I've made several of these using aluminum flashing and the sled material.

these are really good information Thank you . and also serves as an explanation why my Stainless Steel Tubing with a nail Inside acts like a diode of high voltage.

for the Isulator, I use a compound of dielectrics, a layer of 3D printed material (PLA) sandwhiching tap/distilled water. I was able to capture/stop a tesla coil's voltage puncturing. 3d printed materials are used to mitigate the conductive properties of water. I personally choose water because of its high dielectric constant. (higher capacitance / area)

[ricards]

Certainly with the high voltages from even a small Tesla coil, it's a tall order for the dielectric of any capacitor to stand up to that kind of strain. My experimentation over the winter taught me first hand about the difficulties of preventing small leaks once voltages reach the tens of kilovolts level. As you say, with the tabletop rig Don was using to demonstrate, there is no guarantee that the dielectric wasn't punctured, certainly in the video some sparks an inch long or more can be seen jumping to ground and the dielectric sheet (whatever it was) couldn't have been all that thick. The video quality is, unfortunately, terrible and it's hard to tell anything for certain. What I'm trying to illustrate is the principle. In principle, this doesn't require using a spark to charge one plate of the cap, any voltage source will do. For instance, if you connect a motor-run type AC cap across the AC power line and ground, electrons will be alternately pumped in and out of the "line" side plate on each AC half-cycle. Correspondingly, electrons from the ground connection will flow back and forth to charge the other plate with an equal and opposite charge. This is the effect I'm talking about, what happens between the other plate and ground. High voltage is not a requirement, and neither is a spark. Don was just illustrating a principle.

Okay now I see what you mean!, also realized the flaw in my conclusion.

@dragon
thanks for the link and to quote from that link.

Imagine a parallel plate capacitor. Charge it up to an arbitrary value. Now, attempt to discharge only one plate of the capacitor by touching it to ground. Obviously this is not possible, nearly 100% of the charge on one plate, is within very close proximity to the other, and within their respective fields, they tightly hold onto their charges. This is one extreme.

The reason why the charge plate connected to the ground is not discharging to another neutral ground is because the one terminal of the HV source is not letting the charge of that "Charge Plate on the ground" neutralize to another "Ground" because its currently attracted to the terminal, in analogy a partner is not letting his partner go into another. not unless he finds another.

ok so let me just reiterate what you mean by phase-conjugate.. as I finally understood.
On a capacitor, a shadow of this phase/wave is on the other side of the capacitor.. at the same time..

OK, now I think I'm beginning to understand what is means by Longitudinal wave. as in Instantaneous and no time delay. as everything is connected, and electricity acts as an in-compressible fluid because there exist its shadow...

a lot of things that I've read in the past is sinking in to me now. thank you.

[tswift]

Ok, is everyone with me so far? I'll proceed to the next step.

Consider the famous "Tesla Hairpin Circuit", star of a few interesting youtube videos and general science curiousity. Normally used for entertainment, much like the Tesla Coil. Many (perhaps most?) serious experimenters concede that this circuit can produce unusual effects not easily explained by normal electricity, such as the ability to light up bulbs across a dead short and the ability to touch both sides without harm, even while bulbs are lit clearly drawing power. Some even go so far as to call this "cold electricity", without being clear whether they mean exactly the same thing as Gray did or not.

If you will at least consider my hypothesis that the capacitance of any capacitor acts as a phase-conjugate mirror then it should be clear what is happening in the hairpin circuit. As the inimitable mranguswangus illustrates in his video, one side is "conventional" energy, the side across the caps is "unconventional" energy. Yes, when driven with a spark gap there are certainly very short sharp pulses but I don't think this itself is what causes the unusual effects. Allow me to illustrate with my poor photoshop skills.

If you were to take two of the Tesla radiant energy receiver circuits, and place them back to back in mirror fashion such that their "ground" connections" meet, you would end up with a circuit very much like the hairpin circuit (except for the output transformer). Obviously the high voltage sources at either end of the "implied capacitors" would need to be of opposite polarity, and in this case the need for the ground connection has been obviated.

Hmmm, doesn't this circuit look mighty familiar? Where have I seen this before? Oh yes, the Hermann Plauson patent #1540998, from 1925! Let's see, that doesn't look too hard to build, certainly I have a few parts kicking around the parts bin that might prove useful....

[dragon]

TSwift is correct in his thoughts. The capacitor will charge. I've charged quite a few different types of caps using this method. The output to the plate must be polarized to pull either pos or neg. A simple test is to use a cathode ray tube (S in the diagram) and an aluminum plate (P) connected to the neg side of a cap, connect the pos side to a good earth ground. It will charge quickly. ( any CRT like an old TV or computer screen will work ).

The output from a tesla coil would need to be rectified for this to work properly. A spark gap with different size balls will act as a rectifier - moving from small to large easily and suppressing the return from large to small.

For a good insulator (dielectric) on homemade HV caps you can use the material from the roll up snow sleds. I've tested this well above 20kv without a breach. I've made several of these using aluminum flashing and the sled material.

You can use a rectifier at the cap from the plate for harvesting the AC from the tesla coil. I've use the 3 plate cap method quite successfully shown in a few of my YT videos.

You might do a quick once over on Armagdn03's thread "Capacitive sink hole".... he's done some amazing things that are similar...http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tive+sink+hole

[tswift]

I don't mean to interfere with your informative post, but I must say I don't agree with your conclusion. my experiments did not show what you are trying to say, and I think that Image is from don's video right?..

Excellent! Someone who does their own experiments and is a position to speak from knowledge instead of speculation. Of course everyone should recognize that everything I am advancing is a theory and must be experimentally verified. Even if unusual effects can be demonstrated, there is still no guarantee that my explanation is correct.

Certainly with the high voltages from even a small Tesla coil, it's a tall order for the dielectric of any capacitor to stand up to that kind of strain. My experimentation over the winter taught me first hand about the difficulties of preventing small leaks once voltages reach the tens of kilovolts level. As you say, with the tabletop rig Don was using to demonstrate, there is no guarantee that the dielectric wasn't punctured, certainly in the video some sparks an inch long or more can be seen jumping to ground and the dielectric sheet (whatever it was) couldn't have been all that thick. The video quality is, unfortunately, terrible and it's hard to tell anything for certain. What I'm trying to illustrate is the principle. In principle, this doesn't require using a spark to charge one plate of the cap, any voltage source will do. For instance, if you connect a motor-run type AC cap across the AC power line and ground, electrons will be alternately pumped in and out of the "line" side plate on each AC half-cycle. Correspondingly, electrons from the ground connection will flow back and forth to charge the other plate with an equal and opposite charge. This is the effect I'm talking about, what happens between the other plate and ground. High voltage is not a requirement, and neither is a spark. Don was just illustrating a principle.

[ricards]

Great! So understanding this, getting real electric power from a radiant energy device ought to be easy, right? Let's start with Tesla's famous radiant energy patent #685,957 from 1901. Let's first change the picture to show what is really happening and replace the space between the "radiant energy sender" and "radiant energy receiver" with an equivalent capacitance, because that's all it is. Next, understand that this implied capacitance is playing the role of Don's capacitor in the demonstration. The "storage" capacitor just intercepts the charge moving between this implied capacitor and ground, and then it periodically gets dumped into a transformer.

That's all I have time for today, stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Radiant Energy School, coming soon!

Hi tswift,

I don't mean to interfere with your informative post, but I must say I don't agree with your conclusion. my experiments did not show what you are trying to say, and I think that Image is from don's video right?..

I don't remember him showing us the dielectric in between those to plates afterwards, If there was a hole that was blasted because of the high voltage.. I have duplicated the experiment and yes It seems like the wire to the ground was charging the Other plate of the capacitor, but If you would take them apart. and look carefully you will notice a small black spot on an area in that dielectric. and my conclusion is, the ground Did not try to compliment the charge of the other plate, instead The potential is so high that It can blast a hole into that dielectric and to the other side of the capacitor plate and finally into the ground where it will regain equilibrium.

my experiment consist of a capacitive discharge tesla coil.

I have the Upper terminal of the Tesla Coil three setups, freely open / Into an Aerial Plate / aluminum ball sphere.
while the Other terminal Into the configuration same as don's demo.

now upon seeing the same effect with my own eyes, I quickly realized that my dielectric's (dielectric strength) was not enough so I check and found a dark spot into my dielectric (blast by high voltage).

Now I did not give up as my goal was to capture that High Voltage, so I repeated the experiment by using the Air as the dielectric and just literally separated them apart by an inch, and I was right It was sparking inside the capacitor plates.

also upon further experiment, I realized clearly that the Plate to the Ground has not been charge with an "Equal and Opposite charge" as when I try to short it to another "earth connection" or you must say another Neutral charge, It did nothing.
further proof that The Other plates was not charge with "Equal and Opposite"

try Shorting a Teslacoil both Terminal and then Try shorting one terminal to the Ground while the other is open, you will notice the arc is twice as long when shorting both terminal.

so to sum up my conclusion,
The Ground remained Neutral. lets say 0 charge
The Aerial Plate / Open End / Sphere End. Remained Neutral. lets say 1 charge
The Equal and Opposite charge is on both ends of the Tesla Coil. lets say 1 terminal is -1000 and the other is 1000.

[BroMikey]

.......... it will be necessary to send you to
school for a bit so that we can all be on the same page.

To make matters somewhat more complicated, electricity doesn't
have to be 100% normal or 100% reversed but exists as some kind of
blend or superposition of these states.

........... if you charge one plate nature wants to counter-charge the other one. Action - reaction.

That's all I have time for today, stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Radiant Energy School, coming soon!

Hey good entry Swift

This brought me back to John Bedini teachings about radiant charging
and at the time I was doing either or meaning using raw DC current or
SSSG charging. Later I began mixing the two.

The reason was my battery would not go up having been use to DC so
long and then John B. came out with GENERATOR MODE on the SSSG that
is common grounding like a joule thief circuit.

At the time I got some bigger batteries but my tiny radiant charger was
not quite enough. So I mixed the raw DC and also used the SSSG at the
same time. This helped much to my surprise.

Then later the cap dumps taught me that surging energy far surpassed
them both. It is only a feeling I had to go on. No book to read telling me
this was how to proceed. I depended on the meters and the clock.

How fast did my battery go up? And if the amount of power needed was
5-10 times less to do the same job.

Looking forward to your new school opening This is all I have to offer.

[Wistiti]

Thank you tswift for sharing your experiment. I'll do my best to be a good student!

Will follow your post.

[tswift]

Radiant Energy School

I have been hard at work and my research has progressed. In order to get everyone caught up to the point I am at now, it will be necessary to send you to school for a bit so that we can all be on the same page. My apologies to the more advanced experimenters, for some of you I'm sure this is old hat, but please bear with me.

I think I know now exactly what radiant energy is, how it works, and how to use it. I have written at length on this before, see my previous posts dating back to January this year. Radiant energy is a time-reversed (or phase-conjugated to physicists) form of electricity. It still travels through normal wires and can charge capacitors and batteries. The only major respect I know of where it acts notably different is when you send it through a motor or transformer, the normal Lenz's law relationship does not apply and an overunity gain is seen at the secondary (of a transformer) or excess mechanical power in a motor (a la Gray). To make matters somewhat more complicated, electricity doesn't have to be 100% normal or 100% reversed but exists as some kind of blend or superposition of these states. The more phase-conjugate character in the current, the greater the overunity gain is seen in the transformer.

As should be no surprise to anyone here, Tesla first discovered this phenomenon and called it "radiant energy". Don Smith studied it extensively and then wrote a bunch of confusing, badly written stuff that did more to confuse the subject than it did to help. Finally toward the end of his life Don really did either gain complete understanding himself, or at least was finally willing to explain what he knew and understood. In the 2006 "Tesla Tech" conference video, at about 53 minutes in Don takes a small handheld Tesla coil and proceeds to zap one plate of a parallel plate capacitor, while sparks jump to the opposite plate from a ground wire held close to said opposite plate. This is the essence of the effect right here, and understanding it is key. A CAPACITOR ITSELF IS A PHASE CONJUGATE MIRROR FOR ELECTRICITY. Nothing more or less. When normal electric charge with garden-variety electrons is added to one plate (by adding or removing electrons), then nature want to compensate by putting an equal and opposite charge on the opposite plate, and electrons will jump to or from ground to accomplish this. THESE ELECTRONS TAKE ON A PHASE CONJUGATE CHARACTERISTIC IN THIS PROCESS. This is not normal current; it is Gray's famous "cold electricity". The fraction of phase-conjugateness (to coin a term) or character depends on the capacitance of the capacitor. If you want to think of it this way, a greater capacitance means a better connection to Eric Dollard's "counterspace" and a larger influence of the dielectric field. Nature loves symmetries and things which are equal and opposite: if you charge one plate nature wants to counter-charge the other one. Action - reaction. The key realization is that the reaction is not just equal and opposite in charge sign, but it is "negative energy" in time as well, at least partially.

Great! So understanding this, getting real electric power from a radiant energy device ought to be easy, right? Let's start with Tesla's famous radiant energy patent #685,957 from 1901. Let's first change the picture to show what is really happening and replace the space between the "radiant energy sender" and "radiant energy receiver" with an equivalent capacitance, because that's all it is. Next, understand that this implied capacitance is playing the role of Don's capacitor in the demonstration. The "storage" capacitor just intercepts the charge moving between this implied capacitor and ground, and then it periodically gets dumped into a transformer.

That's all I have time for today, stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Radiant Energy School, coming soon!

[med.3012]

F.Y.I



Possibly of interest as well - "Does Vacuum Energy Really Exist?"

time itself is energy, the existence need to be maintained in order to keep it from disappearing .. in the Holy Quran we could read the answer :





the link to this is : https://quran.com/35


everything is a vibration , most of them can't be seeing because it's beyond our capability ..

[Solarlab]

Dirac versus Maxwell equations - differences?

F.Y.I

Discussion => Answers to the question: "Is it possible to derive Maxwell's equations
from Dirac's equation or vice versa? " {fundamental Q & A but interesting, enlightening and brief}

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is...r_vice_versa/1 (first page)

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is..._or_vice_versa (second page)

[Attention: does contain a pop-up and a join our group annoyance]

It's short - if you have an interest, read through both pages... You can see from the various poster's
institutions that the subject is somewhat "subjective" within the scientific community but still quite encouraging.

Possibly of interest as well - "Does Vacuum Energy Really Exist?"

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Do...y_really_exist



Also, lots of "approach (b)" work has been completed - still looking very good!

FIN

[med.3012]

@soundiceuk


thank you for the nice videos about planets sound waves,it's a great opportunity to hear it even though some sound are scary .., i just want to share my point of view about this , sound waves need the air to propagate but it's clear the NASA used a special equipment to extract these waves .. as you know sound waves can create a very tiny electricity in the empty space , so i don't think these waves are of great importance

Don Smith explain his idea very clearly , in any transformer the electrons in the primary side isn't the same as in the secondary side .. electrons in point A motivate electrons in point B but both of them isn't the same.. the same idea when you hear a sound .. sound source A provoke air molecules you ear receive these vibration .. finally your brain receive a kind of electricity and transform it as a sound in your mind suppose it's the point B,

free energy device is a kind of super exciter, as example suppose h is the initial power that you give to your system , V is the amount of power excited in each pulse , it's clear V is far greater than initial power h , if the time enter the equation which is the frequency of energy replication the gained power can be further greater !


these gained waves can be stored and changed back to normal electricity.

the idea is we need to excite a volume in the space .

[med.3012]

@soundiceuk


thank you for the nice videos about planets sound waves,it's a great opportunity to hear it even though some sound are scary .., i just want to share my point of view about this , sound waves need the air to propagate but it's clear the NASA used a special equipment to extract these waves .. as you know sound waves can create a very tiny electricity in the empty space , so i don't think these waves are of great importance

Don Smith explain his idea very clearly , in any transformer the electrons in the primary side isn't the same as in the secondary side .. electrons in point A motivate electrons in point B but both of them isn't the same.. the same idea when you hear a sound .. sound source A provoke air molecules you ear receive these vibration .. finally your brain receive a kind of electricity and transform it as a sound in your mind suppose it's the point B,

free energy device is a kind of super exciter, as example suppose h is the initial power that you give to your system , V is the amount of power excited in each pulse , it's clear V is far greater than initial power h , if the time enter the equation which is the frequency of energy replication the gained power can be further greater !


these gained waves can be stored and changed back to normal electricity.

[soundiceuk]

So a PPV releases the energy from the universal sound wave.

Like all of you I am trying to understand what is being presented by Don and also Bruce.

My aim is to explain my understanding and hopefully help others with their understanding.


Don was building high frequency lighting circuits. He told Bruce by email the suitcase device was powered by homemade Tritium battery.

I posted pictures of the battery somewhere in the thread a few years ago.

This is how he was able to power the bulbs for so long.



I have never seen any evidence Don got further than this or that he was working with releasing the energy from sound waves of the universe.

Yes, he did build some elaborate looking devices but pictures of them are the only evidence unless anyone can tell me different.

My only real lead was Bruce. Zilano's lead went dry many years ago.

My true belief is that Zilano had never built the device and misled us.