Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ricards]

.. but we can tap that line with a lower resistance line and extract the current flow - a shared current flow. If you have a 100 amp flow on the line and you add a second line of equal resistance then you have 2 lines flowing 50 amps. Splitting the positive or negative as it were.

The solenoid formula's use amp/turns to determine magnetic flux - voltage plays no part initially. A simple make 'n break circuit, solenoid, connected to the 2 grounds can create an active magnetic circuit. As long as the secondary line's (above ground) resistance is lower than the source line (ground) current will flow... large low resistance wire is the key.
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So if one's circuit's resistance is like 1/10th of the earth's original resistance path.. you're like shunting the current into your circuit?.. interesting!

is there a number or a constant telluric current rate? or is it largely fluctuating?

on areas with Single wire earth return. would it be legal to do this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

[tswift]

Lets say you have a huge monster cable running through your yard that has hundreds of amps flowing through it. It spans the world, so in order to see a true potential difference you would need to have one probe in Mexico and the other in Canada. So when you stick 2 little "pins" in the ground with a small distance what is the best you can expect to see? Let's say we have a battery circuit, the battery represents the telluric source, the positive runs a few feet down the line and is connected to a load ( resistance) then back to the source. Our position is somewhere between the positive and load. If we tap 2 points on that line will we measure any voltage? Nope, nothing... at least not until you reach a point that resistance in the line causes a voltage difference.... but we can tap that line with a lower resistance line and extract the current flow - a shared current flow. If you have a 100 amp flow on the line and you add a second line of equal resistance then you have 2 lines flowing 50 amps. Splitting the positive or negative as it were.

Actually that makes sense, I think I understand what you mean. Have you ever found that the earth current thus tapped seems to produce a power gain on going through a transformer?

[tswift]

Hi tswift,
you could use ground plate for grounding

https://ontario.nedco.ca/ground-rod-...B06154.hybris2

it is much easy to burry them in your type of soil then drive a ground rod...

Yes, or even an old radiator like Kapanadze! I might try it, we'll see. It would be easier if I had a backhoe....

[Wistiti]

In your experience, how important is low ground impedance to producing effects? I have been doing testing with two grounds, one the utility grid ground and one standard 8' ground rod I drove. I measured the resistance between them and was quite disheartened to get around 200 ohms (using the analog meter). I noticed some visible soil void around the one I installed, so I poured some water down it. This got it down to 100 ohms, which still doesn't sound very good. Unfortunately, I have soil with distinct limestone rock layers and driving a ground rod is an adventure. You might get lucky and have one that goes full depth, or you might be able to pound it through some thinner rocks, but if you hit a thick slab you're out of luck. I installed a really quality ground once by digging a foot-wide hole over six feet deep and backfilling it with sodium sulfate salt. This was a huge amount of work and I'm not anxious to repeat it if I can avoid it....

Hi tswift,
you could use ground plate for grounding

https://ontario.nedco.ca/ground-rod-...B06154.hybris2

it is much easy to burry them in your type of soil then drive a ground rod...

[dragon]

In your experience, how important is low ground impedance to producing effects? I have been doing testing with two grounds, one the utility grid ground and one standard 8' ground rod I drove. I measured the resistance between them and was quite disheartened to get around 200 ohms (using the analog meter). I noticed some visible soil void around the one I installed, so I poured some water down it. This got it down to 100 ohms, which still doesn't sound very good. Unfortunately, I have soil with distinct limestone rock layers and driving a ground rod is an adventure. You might get lucky and have one that goes full depth, or you might be able to pound it through some thinner rocks, but if you hit a thick slab you're out of luck. I installed a really quality ground once by digging a foot-wide hole over six feet deep and backfilling it with sodium sulfate salt. This was a huge amount of work and I'm not anxious to repeat it if I can avoid it....

Having a high resistance between grounds might work to your advantage depending on the ground activity in your area. I would set up a battery and amp meter connected to your grounds to calculate the resistance, if there is some electrical activity the meters may not be accurate.

Generally there is a large amount of amps flowing through the ground caused by a number of different activities, natural and man made. Basically the many different causes boil down to 2 basic mechanisms ... charge transmission or electromagnetic induction.

Lets say you have a huge monster cable running through your yard that has hundreds of amps flowing through it. It spans the world, so in order to see a true potential difference you would need to have one probe in Mexico and the other in Canada. So when you stick 2 little "pins" in the ground with a small distance what is the best you can expect to see? Let's say we have a battery circuit, the battery represents the telluric source, the positive runs a few feet down the line and is connected to a load ( resistance) then back to the source. Our position is somewhere between the positive and load. If we tap 2 points on that line will we measure any voltage? Nope, nothing... at least not until you reach a point that resistance in the line causes a voltage difference.... but we can tap that line with a lower resistance line and extract the current flow - a shared current flow. If you have a 100 amp flow on the line and you add a second line of equal resistance then you have 2 lines flowing 50 amps. Splitting the positive or negative as it were.

The solenoid formula's use amp/turns to determine magnetic flux - voltage plays no part initially. A simple make 'n break circuit, solenoid, connected to the 2 grounds can create an active magnetic circuit. As long as the secondary line's (above ground) resistance is lower than the source line (ground) current will flow... large low resistance wire is the key.

Once you've established an active magnetic circuit you can manipulate voltage. Tesla's auto ignition 609250 and ozone 568177 patents are excellent example's of input boost circuits and more. Fig 3 of the above patent shows an interesting way of generating a substantial ground loop circuit.

[tswift]

Compare and contrast this image from the Zilano document:



Yet again, a ground energy system involving using high voltage to draw electrons up from ground. The question is, if this works why does it work?

[tswift]

Yes, it has similarities which is why it caught my attention.

In your experience, how important is low ground impedance to producing effects? I have been doing testing with two grounds, one the utility grid ground and one standard 8' ground rod I drove. I measured the resistance between them and was quite disheartened to get around 200 ohms (using the analog meter). I noticed some visible soil void around the one I installed, so I poured some water down it. This got it down to 100 ohms, which still doesn't sound very good. Unfortunately, I have soil with distinct limestone rock layers and driving a ground rod is an adventure. You might get lucky and have one that goes full depth, or you might be able to pound it through some thinner rocks, but if you hit a thick slab you're out of luck. I installed a really quality ground once by digging a foot-wide hole over six feet deep and backfilling it with sodium sulfate salt. This was a huge amount of work and I'm not anxious to repeat it if I can avoid it....

[dragon]

Yes, it has similarities which is why it caught my attention.

[tswift]

Alright guys, this looks like the winner!

http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN1868.pdf

http://www.audioscientific.com/Circu...May_24_01_.jpg

I don't want to discourage you since you're doing some good research. I think all of us here have panned through a lot of mud hoping to find a few gold nuggets. However, even though some passive components exhibit a negative differential resistance over part of their characteristic curve, or active components can be made to give a negative resistance curve, doesn't mean there is energy gain happening. At least I seriously doubt it, but I haven't personally done the measurements. If you think it's worth following up, then build it and make some careful measurements and let everyone else know what you find.

Personally, I think the only way we're going to find the real holy grail of high-power, high COP overunity is through unconventional physics. Conventional physics and engineering is very good at describing virtually all phenomena we see and experience, and good for designing circuits that work well, even exotic ones. But there's still the edge of the envelope where some uncommon phenomena aren't completely explained, and physics that is highly non-equilibrium where it's hard to analyze. So the door hasn't been nailed shut completely in my mind, but the bar is pretty high.

So far I've zeroed in on this phenomenon that I keep talking about. Once you begin to understand how it works you can look at a circuit, like the patent Dragon posted, and say "yep, that will probably manifest the effect". It's an effect you won't find in any physics text anywhere that I'm aware of. It's kind of like an extended version of Newton's Third Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In addition to its usual sense of vector force, magnitude and direction, this appears to also be true for electricity. When you create a dipole you create an action. Nature pushes back to try and cancel your dipole. This reaction energy is a reversed, negative sense of energy even though it looks and acts just like normal electricity. The "characteristic" difference seems to be more pronounced at higher voltages. The phenomenon is already happening naturally with the earth/ionosphere capacitor, which is why you can tap real power from ground currents as some are doing. Don just figured out that by applying some artificial high voltage you can produce the same effect.

[lespaul109]

Alright guys, this looks like the winner!

Don has mentioned that certain Op Amps show his effect.

http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN1868.pdf

http://www.audioscientific.com/Circu...May_24_01_.jpg

[tswift]

Earth energies, a new release...

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9564268B2/en

Good find! On a first reading, it appears to me as if the same principle is at work as in the Don Smith devices, the thing I've been trying to understand and generally calling "phase conjugate" electricity. The energy coming up from earth in response to a high voltage is characteristically different from normal electricity, and when you put it through a transformer interesting things happen. In the patent they use both natural atmospheric energy, and then give it a boost with a high voltage spark system. I think either natural or assisted the energy works the same way. This is essentially Don's demonstration of zapping the capacitor with the handheld Tesla coil all over again, and the collecting coil is between the capacitor and ground as I mentioned several posts back.

I note they don't give any performance or power characteristics in the patent, it wouldn't surprise me if a system like this could generate kilowatts with minimal input. Also the coiled extendable ground radial system is quite interesting. Dragon, is this system at all similar to your own ground energy collector?

[dragon]

Earth energies, a new release...

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9564268B2/en

[mikrovolt]

Another experiment based video seies that shows some resemblance
to how aether was studied and compliments the older printed books.
A worth while download.

https://www.archive.org/stream/histo...ge/n5/mode/2up

Don is not here any more but I know he could comment more about
how to go further with principles like these. Sometimes it is the type of
instruments that are used. Sometimes seeing the similarity. Sometimes
it is the difference, Most likely it will be in how the type or condition of
of the aether that is used that we will find answers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yFrQ41Za0

[lespaul109]

If one or more of those tank circuits were placed on the opposite side of the transmit circuit, it should look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QiI8p1gi4

[mikrovolt]

https://youtu.be/Cv4ADE5WI2o?list=WL

A linear series of single loop passive lc tanks for wireless energy transfer where
each independent loop is spaced to give the highest power transfer.

patents for trans cutaneous (implants) spatially decoupled loops exist stating that the prior art use a single loop.

It is an interesting and unique demonstration. Thanks