Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Farmhand]

OK what I'm seeing in the drawing above is the input pulsing one primary causes
the flyback to pulse the resonant primary which causes the secondary to charge
the cap and when the cap discharges through the load it also discharges
through the flyback second primary and secondary in series.

Is that a reasonable layman's description ?

It might work. Not a bad idea. If this is what kapandaze device is why did he not just say so ?

[Farmhand]

It kinda looks like this other concept setup I drew I while back but simpler than
the one I drew.



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I can see how these types of setups could work, the setup below even though only
running from a 12 volt battery and I don't have a pulse generator to pulse it
to a high enough frequency for resonance, is lighting the fluro on the table
with the center tap connected to only one end. It can also charge caps.



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I might alter that device to work from a spark gap, and see what happens.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

OK what I'm seeing in the drawing above is the input pulsing one primary causes
the flyback to pulse the resonant primary which causes the secondary to charge
the cap and when the cap discharges through the load it also discharges
through the flyback second primary and secondary in series.

Is that a reasonable layman's description ?

It might work. Not a bad idea. If this is what kapandaze device is why did he not just say so ?

A harmonic Cascade effect

[T-1000]

T1000 hows this look ?


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I also see a MOT has three coils .

EDIT: My preference would be to put the spark gap after the load.

Cheers

Before modifying circuit please replicate the simpler setup we have already. When you have same working circuit like in our setup, you can try upgrade it..

We posted most basic circuit for people to get replications successfully done over entire world. Adding complexity for perfomance is only after you fully understand on what each element in circuit does and when it proves in practice already.

For those who started replicating our setup and have difficculty with coils:
We used 1 meter x5 2mm diameter wire (makes multistrand wire) for caduceus coil and 5 meters of 2mm diameter for each secondary coil. So the mass of each secondary coil = mass of primary coil. The caduceus coil is winded from the middle of 1 meter multistrand wire (so 50 + 50 cm). Winding goes on 2 opposite wire ends intersecting each other on each 180 degrees.
Start winding secondaries on top of insullated caduceus coil from the middle of the tube with left hand windind on one and right hand winding on second, wind both at once. After you get coil done, get HF ferrite rod from old radio receiver, put it inside of tube int he middle. After correct tunning it should start heating up, so where ferrite heats up, you need insullation between pieces of ferrite.

Good luck!

P.S> For lower output it can be done with air coil in beginning - this is what you should get in electrostatic resonance. Also putting paper on spark path from secondary coil end will not burn paper - the discharge just goes through it. This is a sign of cold electicity you need. You can even touch it and won't get hurt (just avoid doing that on flyback HV wires!!!) The flyback transformer core is grounded for better efficiency, can work without ground too.

[Farmhand]

Before modifying circuit please replicate the simpler setup we have already. When you have same working circuit like in our setup, you can try upgrade it..

We posted most basic circuit for people to get replications successfully done over entire world. Adding complexity for perfomance is only after you fully understand on what each element in circuit does and when it proves in practice already.

For those who started replicating our setup and have difficculty with coils:
We used 1 meter x5 2mm diameter wire (makes multistrand wire) for caduceus coil and 5 meters of 2mm diameter for each secondary coil. So the mass of each secondary coil = mass of primary coil. The caduceus coil is winded from the middle of 1 meter multistrand wire (so 50 + 50 cm). Winding goes on 2 opposite wire ends intersecting each other on each 180 degrees.
Start winding secondaries on top of insullated caduceus coil from the middle of the tube with left hand windind on one and right hand winding on second, wind both at once. After you get coil done, get HF ferrite rod from old radio receiver, put it inside of tube int he middle. After correct tunning it should start heating up, so where ferrite heats up, you need insullation between pieces of ferrite.

Good luck!

I'm not necessarily replicating that setup. I'm more replicating the setup I
drew months ago. More like a Tesla/Don Smith setup. But thanks for the
concern. So you can rest assured I will not be modifying the
circuit you posted, I just posted that drawing so I could show the similarity to
Don's circuit and the circuit I posted ages ago.

Similar to this setup I posted in my thread months ago. But I'll use a Don Smith Coil setup.
It's a fair bit different and I might change it as I go because I never got
around to building it. I won't be using any caduceus coils though.

Don't worry I won't comlain to you if the circuit I build doesn't work.
EDIT: This drawing is a purely conceptual drawing only, I'll be putting something a little bit different together based on Dons coil arrangement and spark gaps.

Below is a Concept drawing only.
"untested and for too complicated to recommend building".


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Cheers

[TEKTRON]

I can light lots of bulbs with one 12 volt battery and an inverter.

I already have built an inverter with cw - ccw windings the output was zero.
I've wound a toroid core with almost every different winding I can think of for
two phase and one.

The device you showed now that I look is a JT yes and the secondary is two
coils joined in a funny way. I still see no power input to make any decision
about it's efficiency. Where is the battery ?

Cheers

draws 200ma. done by Laser Saber

Super Joule Ringer! Lights my workshop 24/7. - YouTube

[Farmhand]

draws 200ma. done by Laser Saber

Super Joule Ringer! Lights my workshop 24/7. - YouTube

Hi TEKTRON, Where's the proof ? any replications ? Is it OU ?

I see no power measurements made. So i don't believe it.

Any Proof ?

And what was the output power ?

I recommend anyone who wants to replicate a OU device to wait for proof of efficiency before doing so.

Cheers

P.S. The brightness of the light's means very little and is deceiving on camera.

I won't argue further. Because without proof it's just an efficient lighting method.

How much for the Metglass core ? And the sound would be like torture.

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[TEKTRON]

Hi TEKTRON, Where's the proof ? any replications ? Is it OU ?

I see no power measurements made. So i don't believe it.

Any Proof ?

And what was the output power ?

I recommend anyone who wants to replicate a OU device to wait for proof of efficiency before doing so.

Cheers

P.S. The brightness of the light's means very little and is deceiving on camera.

I won't argue further. Because without proof it's just an efficient lighting method.

How much for the Metglass core ? And the sound would be like torture.

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No it is not OU. Did I say it was? You were asking questions about it and I just pointed out to you who made it so you could check it out for yourself . And it is just an efficient lighting method. LaserSaber is very honest about his experiments.
Though he did a practical joke on Apr. 1-2011 and in the title it says "April fools" backwards.

[Farmhand]

No it is not OU. Did I say it was? You were asking questions about it and I just pointed out to you who made it so you could check it out for yourself . And it is just an efficient lighting method. LaserSaber is very honest about his experiments.
Though he did a practical joke on Apr. 1-2011 and in the title it says "April fools" backwards.

OK Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it. No you didn't say it was OU, I
never said you did. But I asked if it was just in case it was.
I appreciate you having answered me.

It is very impressive that's for sure. Nice work.

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

Thanks Z for the the clarification....you are talking about the actual sitar when defining the 7 strings, i was referring to its origins

see vid in this post: Ravi Shankar - The Art Of The Sitar

http://www.energeticforum.com/162402-post911.html

[h2ocommuter]

Nice observation

When I look at this diagram I see that the direction of turn wrap (curved arrow)
of the Amps arrow is the same as the volts arrow, the only difference is the end
the arrow point is on.

If the coils needed to be opposite wound then this diagram should show a mirror image of the curved arrows, indicating the turn wrap direction to be opposite.
But it doesn't .

The two curved arrows show the same wrap direction in this diagram, just different force directions.



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Cheers

yes I noticed that but I shruged it off for lack of drawing tools and spacialistic problems.

I think it was stated best on an earlier post discribed as; electricity travels in cw wound coils easily but magnetic flowes in ccw coils best. sure paraphrased but that is the l idea I get.

yes the mirror immage is correct ( Start winding in middle, (Bifiler)One side is wound to the left and one side is wound to the right at the same time. The former only turnes one direction......! I am sure everyone gets this but I am stuck on repitition...

[h2ocommuter]

Busy and on the move

welcome back h2ocommuter!

its nice to see u back! where have u been?

missed ur ur presence!

hope u r fine and ok!

regards
zelina

Z you are the best!

Oh Z, I have just had time to stop buy and get posts speratically and knowing I will have missed many of your posts because of deletion and trying to keep all of your posts for my own documentations I have been overworked and left behind. I am not making excuses about my progress because i have made good progress gathering parts and components for Dons replications.

Anyway here is something I have found you may enjoy. At least i hope you do. and follow up video.
i need you to contact me PM h2ocommuter@gmail or Skype is same

Along with these component parts of my lab I have been trying to imagine how I am going to fabricate a NST like yours. Now that being said I may be able to operate the Tesla machine I bought to create the HF/HV at the spacific or stabilized freq by RPM controles of the motor in the video. all this is academic but I have been feverishly busy trying to catch up with you!

Note about pictures: This is a late 1800s coil winding machine forward reverse clutch operated variable speed, with a Veeder analogue counter device.
I have also bought a linier wire counting device so I can get the coiling and winding precise.

Again you are a master and I am honored to be here with you. STeel sharpens Steel Friend, Without your help I would not be gathering these component parts for my lab and would not be concidering how to achieve Resonance so intently.

Thanks for the reguards

Your Buddy
Zane

As far as being OK and everything.. I am going to be moving to another house some 130 miles away so things are going to be packed and stored for some time. My lab and equipment as well.
I hope you are here when I get back. All My best

[nightwind]

L1 & L2 Coils

@Zilano

Is there a difference between which coil is the inner coil with the ferrite? L1 wrapped around L2 or L2 wrapped around L1? Have you tried using a Tesla bifilar spiral coil for L2? Sorry for all the questions, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Many thanks

[T-1000]

T1000LTU's Channel - YouTube

For those who got confused: left and right windings match mass of primary caduceus coil each.

The variable capacitor is up to 400pf in paraller to caduceus coil, used for resonance frequency tuning.

[drak]

Well, so far the best I can get is 25 watts in, 16 watts out. And the only way I can get a parallel spark gap to fire is to put the caps in series. I tried both spark gap AND cap in parallel which brought the LC down to about 25khz with ferrite inside, and when I slowly pull ferrite out, the frequency raises to above 40khz. Still no spark. I think I might take a break for a while.