Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[med.3012]

4. and 5. - still open. I actually thought about that quote where he mentioned the computer program just recently too, I'd really like to know what it was.

computer program mean there's a mechanism let his device to produce power , according known electromagnetic equations , but simulation made him break down the complexity of his system to small elements that can be solved using computer calculation, it's just a new perspective ..

a Japanese professor suggest Don Smith for Nobel prize for his important discovery about electrons separation mechanism, this is a special mechanism where electrons separate and spin back together but because it's related to over energy device it's almost impossible to be public known ..

[tswift]

After 11.233 posts there's no explanation about electrons spin in Don Smith device , no explanation about the creation of standing waves and why they are there in his device ? no explanation about the creation of Ozone gas ( in large amount ... ) in his device especially when high voltage is implemented, no explanation about energy balance and its relation with permanent magnet .. no explanation about the computer programme he used to simulate his device and even the computer saw the energy gain !!!

without unlocking these point it's a waste of time here otherwise we have to create another thread with different name !

Your points are valid, but I think we have made quite a bit of progress on these points:

1. The explanation of the electron spin (in my opinion) can be explained by phase conjugation. The "electrons spinning the other way" are the phase conjugate electrons, and for all I know they might indeed spin the other way! Those are Don's "amperage electrons", because they induce amperage when put through the output transformer.

2. The standing waves and 1/4 wave resonance has been covered in some detail. I described how to measure the resonant frequencies of a coil with an oscilloscope and spark gap, and Dragon described how to move a tap around a coil to find the resonant point just recently, not to mention all the other previous discussion in this thread.

3. Any similar device with exposed surfaces charged to high voltages will generate ozone. I have to turn on a fan in the shop when I run the device or it becomes nearly overwhelming. I don't think the ozone has anything to do directly with the effects we're looking for.

4. and 5. - still open. I actually thought about that quote where he mentioned the computer program just recently too, I'd really like to know what it was.

[dragon]

People will have to alter their thinking toward "charging by induction" and away from radiant energy to succeed with Bruce's device....

Tswift... you'll need to re-think your grounds as well, with 2 grounds connected as you have them now the system is running directly off the ZVS. The cap your charging (C1) will need to be isolated unless you go back to the ground/air connections.

I was almost tempted to start a new project, for now I will continue watching the progress and remain focused on my current project.

[soundiceuk]

The purple light comes from the electrical current from the circuit priming supply. The white light is the radioionic energy that is attracted to one plate of the input capacitor.

I can only comment on the Don Smith device that was publicly witnessed at the 1996 Tesla Symposium.

That is the only evidence we have that Don had a working device. The rest is hearsay.

That device featured one ground, no antenna, a tritium battery and a highly efficient lighting circuit.

Various replications have been made with various degrees of success.

Is there any hard evidence anything else he said or did was true?

I've looked really hard for it for a long time but I can't see it.

Despite that, I find the whole story of how the thread started and where we are now fascinating.

[med.3012]

After 11.233 posts there's no explanation about electrons spin in Don Smith device , no explanation about the creation of standing waves and why they are there in his device ? no explanation about the creation of Ozone gas ( in large amount ... ) in his device especially when high voltage is implemented, no explanation about energy balance and its relation with permanent magnet .. no explanation about the computer programme he used to simulate his device and even the computer saw the energy gain !!!

without unlocking these point it's a waste of time here otherwise we have to create another thread with different name !

[tswift]

I believe this is very much describing the plasma tube/plasma ball devices as well as many other don smith devices. I have an 18" plasma tube that disturbs ambient at least 2 feet in every direction as detected with a Fluke neon bulb "voltage detector" stick. The trick I am finding is how to arrange the capacitor plates/wiring/diodes/load/ground connections so that useable power is produced.

I think all you would need is to charge the capacitor via two avramenko diodes tied to ground. Ground electrons will be attracted by induction up to one plate on the positive AC half-cycle, and repelled from the other plate and pumped to ground on the negative AV half-cycle. If the capacitor is physically close to the plasma tube, within the disturbed zone, then charge pumping will occur from ground into the cap. My theory is that this will then be phase-conjugate "cold" electricity. You would then need to run an inverter from it, or charge up to a high enough voltage to make a spark gap operate, so that the cap dumps into the primary coil of a transformer. The secondary should show a power gain with respect to the primary.

Old-timers on here will remember Zilano, and how this is essentially exactly what he/she described. The only difference is that I now understand why it should work and how these charges are different. Also, I have tried exactly this arrangement and variations of it using the slayer exciter and Tesla coil, and I never could measure a power gain. However, it can be quite tricky to do measurements so maybe I wasn't doing it right. Also, it may be that there is yet some other missing element. In other words, what I have described is a "necessary, but not sufficient" condition. You might have to make sure that the grounding for the plasma tube is a different ground than the cap is tied to for instance, or else the phase-conjugate energy will meet the direct-phase energy and zero each other out. I don't know for sure but it is definitely worth playing with, please let us know your results!

[tesluh]

All you have to do is create a dipole but then don't use it to power anything. You use the incoming charges that are attracted toward your dipole to power your circuit, and you want to make sure that they go through a transformer or motor or some kind of magnetic device where you will see the Lenz's law effect.

I believe this is very much describing the plasma tube/plasma ball devices as well as many other don smith devices. I have an 18" plasma tube that disturbs ambient at least 2 feet in every direction as detected with a Fluke neon bulb "voltage detector" stick. The trick I am finding is how to arrange the capacitor plates/wiring/diodes/load/ground connections so that useable power is produced.

[Mwtj]

Well, I can only hope I'm on the right track. If true this is essentially a blueprint to how to build a working machine, and it explains why Bruce's devices are genuine COP>1. I only hope I didn't run Bruce off, I was happy to see him here participating in the forum. He only asked us the question because he already knew the answer, and wanted to see how much understanding we have. I'm quite sure he knows much more than this and we would all do well to listen to everything he has to say!

Great explanation.

[med.3012]

the most important is to produce the effect in a large amount at least to power a small house of 600 W to 1 KW will be a good start, moderate material and skills can be achieved when collective work is achieved through this forum ... i hope ...

[tswift]

Well, I can only hope I'm on the right track. If true this is essentially a blueprint to how to build a working machine, and it explains why Bruce's devices are genuine COP>1. I only hope I didn't run Bruce off, I was happy to see him here participating in the forum. He only asked us the question because he already knew the answer, and wanted to see how much understanding we have. I'm quite sure he knows much more than this and we would all do well to listen to everything he has to say!

[Wistiti]

Im agree with Dragon; it is really well explaned!
Now the only way to prove the theorie is to try it in practice.
I cant wait to recieve all my missing part...

[dragon]

Very well written - you got it. I can't speak to the Phase conjugation hypothesis but can relate to it in the form of a delay line.

[tswift]

Ok, I will try to do a better job of explaining this epiphany I had which hopefully leads to a better understanding of these phenomena and how to produce them. First of all I have to define some terms:

Phase conjugation is a term borrowed from optics, where under certain conditions you can get light to reflect not in the usual way (angle of incidence equals angle of reflection) but EXACTLY back on its source. Each incoming photon is replaced with its phase-conjugate partner, that exactly retraces the path taken by the incoming photon. And when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY, in the same manner that the resistance of a superconductor isn't approximately zero but EXACTLY zero. Phase-conjugate mirrors are used with lasers to remove distortions over long optical paths, because the phase-conjugate beam going backwards through the same distortion exactly removes the distortion, whatever it was. You can google it and look at some youtube videos to learn more if you're not already familiar with the concept. It's unusual and interesting, yet totally accepted physics. The more you learn about this the more interesting it gets. It's almost as if the phase-conjugate photon is moving BACKWARDS in time or as if it's a shadow partner, an antiphoton of the original photon. For instance, photons have momentum (it's incredibly tiny but not zero). As in, flashlights and lasers have a nonzero thrust. This momentum causes a recoil from a normal mirror, which is why things like solar sail spacecraft are possible. BUT THERE IS NO RECOIL from a phase-conjugate mirror. It's like the outgoing photon is a backwards-moving complement or shadow of the incoming photon and when the two meet at the mirror they just equal zero. If you measure the time of flight of the outgoing photon it still arrives after it was sent, it isn't REALLY moving backwards in time, or at least not in externally observable time. Does the photon's own clock run backwards? I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either. So the important take-away is that there exist forms of energy that act as if they are time-reversed. They act in a negative or complementary sense, and this is provably seen in the case of a phase-conjugate mirror in nonlinear optics.

Essentially what we have discovered with all this research is ELECTRICAL PHASE CONJUGATION. This is what Bedini called "negative energy", he observed that it seemed to propagate backwards from the output of a circuit back to the input. Most commonly talked about is the phenomenon of "cold electricity" and how many of us researchers here have seen some aspects of it from time to time. We talk about things like "Ohm's law being reversed with cold electricity" and how it behaves fundamentally very different to normal electricity, yet can be carried in regular circuits and as Don Smith said, stored in capacitors and batteries. I think what it actually is, is phase-conjugate electricity. That is, it's electrons or ions or whichever kind of charge carriers, that have their local clocks running backwards to the rest of the universe in much the same way phase-conjugate photons do. This is why it behaves differently, and why we can essentially reverse cause and effect to get "free-to-you" energy by spending the energy before it's generated. Think of it this way: if you earn money and then spend it all, the net money afterward is zero. If you instead get a loan and then earn the money and pay back the loan, the net money afterward is still zero. What you have done is reversed cause and effect in time, the books still balance. When you generate phase-conjugate energy and then put it through a transformer, something strange happens and it acts differently in regard to Lenz's law. There can be a power gain seen at the secondary of the transformer. You are getting an energy loan from the universe, which is then paid back when that energy is dissipated in a load. The net energy still equals zero and conservation of energy is not violated, all you have done is reverse it in time by using phase-conjugate energy.

OK, that sounds great so how do we do it in practice? This was essence of my realization. When you create a dipole nature wants to extinguish it. The two ends of the dipole each attract opposite charges from the environment around them because you have disturbed the neutral equilibrium. My thought was, what if those opposite charges being attracted to your dipole are not merely opposite in SIGN but also opposite in TIME? That is, there is a deeper type of 4-symmetry being preserved by the universe and your act of creating the dipole in "forward time" has to be symmetric to the reaction of the environment around your dipole happening in "backwards time". If this is true then electrical phase conjugation is not only possible, it's dead simple. All you have to do is create a dipole but then don't use it to power anything. You use the incoming charges that are attracted toward your dipole to power your circuit, and you want to make sure that they go through a transformer or motor or some kind of magnetic device where you will see the Lenz's law effect. As I was thinking all this out, I thought about Tesla's radiant energy patent, where it's the charges being drawn up from the ground IN RESPONSE TO A DIPOLE that are being used, and then put through a transformer. I thought about Bruce's circuit, where it's the charges being drawn from ground or air IN RESPONSE TO A DIPOLE and then put through a transformer. I thought about Don Smith's various circuits, but in many of them charges are drawn from the ground IN RESPONSE TO A DIPOLE and then put through a transformer: "amperage only becomes a consideration at the output transformer". After realizing all this I began to think I really might be on to something very fundamental. If true it's essentially a new physical law: nature's response to a source dipole is phase-conjugate energy. It's already happening everywhere, you only have to capture and convert it to have limitless energy.

Or I could be totally wrong yet again and this could be another half-baked idea. I submit it as an untested hypothesis, for your consideration.

[dragon]

A calculated outcome of what might be expected using those values, If you can get a consistent charge of 1000 volts on the cap you should be able to achieve 100 volts across the 20 turns with around .15 amps circulating, give or take. That should give you a sufficient amount to drive the 20 watt bulb to around 12 volts with a 1.5 amp flowing.

The 20 turns should have an overall amp turn value of about 3 amps divided by 1.5 turns giving an output of around 2 amps minus the normal losses in transformation.

[tswift]

The oscillations aren't CW but are coming in pulses. It's a little difficult to measure since my testing location, where the two grounds and the antenna are, is over 100 yards away from my workshop and test bench. So if I want to take scope measurements of the device under test I have to haul not only the device but the scope over there and back again when I'm done. But it's a small price to pay, and I'll try and take some actual measurements later. When I was testing on the workbench each time the PPV fired it was a damped sinusoidal waveform of about 180V P-P on the secondary, extinguishing within a dozen cycles or so. This was with the secondary unloaded, with the bulb attached the voltage reduced of course, but not by as much as I figured. Perhaps reduced to 60% of the unloaded value, I should have taken some more scope shots. When the current through the PPV is enough it is conducting more or less continuously and instead of individual breakdown pulses that you can hear as ticks or pops, it just starts that hissing/squealing sound you can hear in the video. When I had it doing this on the workbench (without the two grounds by bypassing C1 and driving it as a Tesla coil) then the waveform on L2 was a damped 500 KHz pulse but repeating 75,000 times a second, the ZVS driver frequency.

I haven't done much experimenting with different gap widths yet, I will see what difference it makes. The tank circuit is now 1 nF and 95 uH. The measured resonant frequency is about 511 KHz.