Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[tswift]

Was resonance achieved with the load connected? If not the response will be considerably different when connected. Just for the sake of thought a quick question... Is there a reason the secondary ( output ) circuit needs to be resonant to transfer power ?

No, there was no load on the secondary for this test. Obviously results will be different if there is a load, either a resistive load like the light bulbs, or the diode bridge driving the 12V supercap bank. The waveform I tested on the secondary is well over 100V peak-to-peak, so I expect this will get clipped off by the diodes if the bridge is connected.

This actually brings up a very good point. One of my points of focus in understanding the Don Smith device and the phenomenon of "cold electricity" in general is, where exactly does the power gain manifest in the device? That is, if you test the voltage and current waveforms at every stage of the device, at some point magically this extra power appears. But what point it is it? Is it at more than one point? After much research and testing I believe I know the answer even though I have yet to prove it on the workbench. I believe that the extra power only manifests in the secondary of a transformer fed with radiant/scalar/cold electricity on the primary side. When all the conditions are properly met, then Lenz's law is reduced and the reflection of the secondary as seen in the primary side circuit is similarly reduced. To the secondary, it looks as if the primary side is being driven from a very low impedance even though it isn't, and to the primary it looks as if the secondary is at a much higher impedance than it really is. If this hypothesis is correct, then the resonance in the primary circuit will be much less affected by any load on the secondary. Hypothetically, the high voltage on C1 is acting to cause the antenna to draw in what Bruce calls "ions", which I think is somewhat of a misnomer. Whatever you call it, the result is that the energy C2 is charged with is not normal electricity but carries this extra characteristic. However, the power gain is only seen on the secondary side at L2, and only if the right things are happening on the primary side.

[tesluh]

currently have about 4 related experiments going, one of which is the Don style spark to plate capacitor concept. It is illustrated here as "The simplest Free-Energy device (???)" about 1/3 of the way down the page. Vladimir Utkin's Free-Energy Secrets - March 2012

The materials are easy enough to come by, has anyone else tried making one of these with any level of success? Using a 60 hz nst and a 6x12 plate capacitor I raised the temp of a heater strip 5 degrees just holding the spark off of the copper plate and following the diagram. still just getting started with this type of device, just like most of these other devices, I have half the necessary details to build an ideal working unit.

my high frequency nst shuts off when I try to connect it that way. Need to try a high frequency spark gap and see the difference.

[dragon]

Was resonance achieved with the load connected? If not the response will be considerably different when connected. Just for the sake of thought a quick question... Is there a reason the secondary ( output ) circuit needs to be resonant to transfer power ?

[tswift]

Resonance achieved, at least on the workbench....

OK, back to the project at hand.

Did I mention I was going to need more capacitance on the secondary? Try a LOT more capacitance. I disconnected the existing capacitors from the two terminal blocks across the L2 coil and measured L2 with my LC meter. It gave 2.7 uH, so I computed around 37 nF of capacitance to resonate at 500 KHz. I have some 10 nF film caps on hand, so I started attaching them across the two terminal blocks and measuring the resonant frequency with the function generator and scope as previously described. Apparently the true inductance of L2 wound this way is less than 2.7 uH, because it took 60 nF to bring the resonant frequency down to 511 KHz.

Then I removed the function generator and powered up the ZVS, leaving the scope probe attached across L2. Tuning the C2 cap anywhere close to 500 KHz gives a similar scope trace on the screen, apparently L1 and L2 are coupled closer than critical coupling. They are definitely resonating together, as you can tell by the envelope on the scope trace. It takes about one full cycle to transfer most of the energy from L1 to L2 and then it rings down from the peak, although there is some sloshing back and forth of the energy between the two resonant circuits. This is basically exactly what you observe in a classical step-up Tesla coil, except that here the coupling is tighter than a typical Tesla coil. For those not as familiar with Tesla coils, google "first notch quench" and read the articles on some of the Tesla coil websites. This is a dual-resonant circuit very much like a classical "Tesla coil" except being used here in a step-down mode.

[tswift]

Haven't posted on this thread for many years now, but just had to get on to thank "tswift" for post 10835 which gives me the info I needed for using a scope to check wire length resonance.

You're welcome! I have tried to document my experiments on these forums, the good, the bad, and the stupid mistakes. Things like experimental procedures are useful and hopefully I can save someone else time from figuring out the things I've already spent time figuring out. If we succeed in producing a workable, reproducible overunity device to bring to the world, it will have been because this was a group effort. I have learned so much from so many that I am glad if I can give back.

The theory and calculations about the coil geometry can be found in Eric Dollard's publication "The Oscillating Current Transformer". The effective wave propagation frequency (phase velocity) depends on the coil aspect ratio. There is a table on the last page that gives values for length/height ratios between 0.1 and 7.0, this covers pretty much all common coils.

[Wistiti]

While I am waiting for some component am playing with the hairpin circuit.
Definitively the PPV enhance the light output compare to a normal steal/steal spark gap...

[Elcheapo]

resonance

Hi Guys;

Haven't posted on this thread for many years now, but just had to
get on to thank "tswift" for post 10835 which gives me the info I needed
for using a scope to check wire length resonance.
Like most other hams & technicians, I did'nt believe you could
get 1/4 or 1/2 wave resonance unless it was only a straight
piece of wire. Boy, was I wrong.
A few years ago I was trying to get some Hi voltage by using the
ham rig to drive a coil with many turns on a 1 in. form.
The rig was set at 10 watts at about 4.2 mc driving a 3 turn link
at the base of the coil.
With about 150 turns of no.24 wire and no cap, the self resonant
freq. checked out at approx. 1400kc. with very little output. No good.

I then decided to try out Dons automatic resonant method
by adding more turns for a wire length of 59 ft.247/4.2=58.8
Now I got output of 5kv! It was then that I knew the old geezer was
right and every coil has TWO resonant points.

I also agree with tswift that accuracy is dependent on coil geometry.
So I now have a better method for checking that accuracy with less
tinkering.

Thanks again tswift.

[Dave45]

I've found, over the years of experimentation, the earth grounds ( ground to ground ) is exceptionally energetic throughout the day and night.

The main difference between the ground/ground and ground/air is the conversion process. Ground/air requires us to deal with a HV conversion to magnetic then to current, the ground/ground is pure current with little voltage and requires a current to magnetic which leads to voltage.

The ground/ground has little to no problems in storms with huge current spikes where the ground/air has a significant risk with extreme voltage spikes. I believe the energy density is about the same either way as it all comes from the same place. The major challenge is in the conversion process, either way.... you deal with super high voltages or massive currents.

Below is an early project I built some 10 years back that functions on grounds only. It will run 24/7 with variations in output - evenings seem most energetic where early mornings are less active which increases to its peak during the day. I believe it's all related to the storm activity around the globe. It uses a ULF ferrite rod and runs in the range of 400hz, I've built several using basic AM frequencies that work well also - all the frequencies that exist, man made and natural, are on the ground lines.

When setting up your grounds they should be aligned to magnetic North. The North rod(s) must be deeper than the South to match the magnetic dip and no less than 30ft apart. You can use the Hartman and Curry grid as a guidline...

There are a number of early ground antenna patents that are quite interesting, as well, some of the early earth battery patents can give you some interesting details for harvesting energy from the ground.

Bruce and I discussed alot of this stuff a few years back, we differed only slightly in most thoughts but I had my head stuck in the ground and he was looking toward the sky.... all fun stuff either way.

Hey dragon looks like you were using bifilar coils, were you inducing an oscillation in the ground line.
Would you care to share more info,
Thanks for sharing what you did.

[radioionics]

Reply

Yes, when using two ground rods.

[Mwtj]

Does this spark gap look familiar?

Same concept?

[radioionics]

Kapanadze Spark Gap

Does this spark gap look familiar?

[dragon]

Using Double Grounds Only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBCY8nKqQM


Using Antenna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxuoPQC7rbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPnFasW6bdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6k2zrda8R0

I've found, over the years of experimentation, the earth grounds ( ground to ground ) is exceptionally energetic throughout the day and night.

The main difference between the ground/ground and ground/air is the conversion process. Ground/air requires us to deal with a HV conversion to magnetic then to current, the ground/ground is pure current with little voltage and requires a current to magnetic which leads to voltage.

The ground/ground has little to no problems in storms with huge current spikes where the ground/air has a significant risk with extreme voltage spikes. I believe the energy density is about the same either way as it all comes from the same place. The major challenge is in the conversion process, either way.... you deal with super high voltages or massive currents.

Below is an early project I built some 10 years back that functions on grounds only. It will run 24/7 with variations in output - evenings seem most energetic where early mornings are less active which increases to its peak during the day. I believe it's all related to the storm activity around the globe. It uses a ULF ferrite rod and runs in the range of 400hz, I've built several using basic AM frequencies that work well also - all the frequencies that exist, man made and natural, are on the ground lines.

When setting up your grounds they should be aligned to magnetic North. The North rod(s) must be deeper than the South to match the magnetic dip and no less than 30ft apart. You can use the Hartman and Curry grid as a guidline...

There are a number of early ground antenna patents that are quite interesting, as well, some of the early earth battery patents can give you some interesting details for harvesting energy from the ground.

Bruce and I discussed alot of this stuff a few years back, we differed only slightly in most thoughts but I had my head stuck in the ground and he was looking toward the sky.... all fun stuff either way.

[Jon_sparky]

The whole design purpose of using it, is to convert this natural planetary frequency into standing waves.

The primary side is radioionic (ions) and ohms law is reversed.
The secondary side is electromagnetic (electrons) and follows ohms law.*

This is the most significant statement and a real confirmation of Morray's (and Tesla's) entire science.
Standing waves can be magnified! (By synchronising with the larger atmospheric wave cycles I believe).

I've been following this forum for a couple of years on and off and very excited by the Bruce P inspired experimentation. If any one cares to comment on the following I'm most grateful. Moray used the antennae wire to capture electro-static waves of Ion particles, and amplified the initial incoming wave-spark-pulsed electro-static, right?

How did he do that? Seems to have been a combination of cat's whisker crystal valve configuration where a series of such valves were configured in such a way as to create a "copy + cascade" phenomena. (A Fibonacci configuration comes to mind (1,2,3,5,13) but may be way of track.) My point or question is how to amplify the incoming wave? Something more than a single PPV?

[radioionics]

Double Ground Rod Passive Energy Receiver

Using Double Grounds Only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBCY8nKqQM


Using Antenna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxuoPQC7rbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPnFasW6bdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6k2zrda8R0

[Wistiti]

Hi guys!
Do you know another way then using a signal generator for tuning into resonance the primary at 500 kHz??