Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[Slovenia]

Wesley Team

Hi Wesley Team: Arunas, Aidas, & Wesley,

We could use your help at this stage I do believe. Even thought the Kapandaze device is somewhat different than the Don Smith device, you do understand some things that are common with both devices. Some new information has been published on this thread related to the Zilano Don Smith replication, and we'd like you to have a look at it and help us if you will. There are some replications that are almost finished but it would be nice to have your input at this stage. Check out the final Zilano circuit and give us your take on it and we'll go from there. Thanks in advance!!

Best Regards,
David Fine

[Slovenia]

Don Output Transformer

Don Output Transformer
from Zilano

[abdlquadri]

question for zilano

Hi Zilano could you please answer this question from Patrick.

Thanks

Hi Zilano,

I would like to thank you for your very helpful input to this forum - I very much appreciate it.

Two quick questions if I may:

1. Is it still your understanding that a circuit which has a spark gap feeding the 80-turn step-down coil can never be COP>1 as the energy transfer is inductive?

2. Is it the case that where there is a spark gap in parallel with the 80-turn coil that there also has to be a capacitor in parallel to prevent the coil short circuiting the spark gap, and that capacitor is selected by measuring the inductance of the actual coil as wound and then using a nomograph to determine the size of capacitor needed? Presumably then, the coil/capacitor combination being at it's resonant frequency, presents a very high impedance to the input and so does not short-circuit the input waveform?

Thanks in advance for your help with these points, I'm still trying to get a basic understanding of this technology.

Patrick

[Slovenia]

Posted for Daemonbart

1. I think we should look more into dual output nst with center tap, I am sure the outputs have phase angle 90 or 180 degr apart. I think there was hints from Mr Smith that it would make things more easy??

2. The dual output should give us benefits if the coil setup is changed to use this.

3. I think it would be good to read about phase angle manipulation, from audio technic area.

4. Zilano always said we must have pulsed dc, could be right, but are we sure? What about pure sine wave?

5. I posted a schematic in DS thread, Zilano was very silent about the setup, maybe closer to the truth than I realised?

Post this in forum if you like, or share with anyone you like!

I think I will have more to say soon!

[Duncan]

Thanks for the help Duncan! COIL PORN! What to buy! lol

What caps have you gone for?

Many thanks to Zilano, Patrick, Slovenia and everyone else too!

sorry missed your post .. bought 50 arresters here that work like a charmeBay - The UK's Online Marketplace after they arrived (very quick to the UK 3 days) I decided to buy
and a job lot of 360 4Kv russian military spec caps here which I will happily mix for voltage and valueI'm not over worried about pretty!
K73-14 PETP HV Capacitor 3300pF 4kV 5% ,Lot of 360 | eBay I'm sure I posted this site before .. best wishes D
.. you need to scratch a bit for caps!

[Hope]

Don Output Transformer
from Zilano

I know Don Smith has used a enclosed spark gap, but doesn't open air spark gaps vaporize the natural gases in the atmosphere and that void filling (like a small thunder clap) make a pressure wave? And does this add to energy to the circuit in this manner?

My feeling is that the hydrogen burning is a major contributor to process.


All

Richard Williams

[Slovenia]

Vrand Posts

For those of you guys who are new to this thread, Vrand/Mike, posted some pretty interesting informative stuff toward the beginning of this thread. He was the initial guy who Zilano was helping with his replication of the Don Smith device. He also posted some pretty incredible information too, that is very helpful to us. So, check it out before it gets taken down. I didn't save most of his stuff. I only saved a few of his posts where he and Zilano were communicating on-thread.

[Slovenia]

Dynatron's Don Smith Design Notes (Posted by Vrand 8-28-2011)

Dynatron's Don Smith Design Notes

A Russian guy Dynatron has a replication and has some very good notes on it in Russian. Vrand took the time to have those notes translated and has posted the results of that translation on 8-28-2011. So, if you are interested in this great info check it out.

[soundiceuk]

Hi soundiceuk,

1. Yes, the FEP16JT is rated at 600V. I'm using them because of the 50ns reverse recovery time and that's what I had on hand at the time. I doubt that it is seeing 600V bemf in this circuit. I've used it before on other projects without ever blowing them and they perform well.

2. Yes, the magnets are 75lb neodymiums magnetized Axially. They are probably 7 years old so I'm sure there no longer that strong.

3. I have not tried opposing fields across the spark gap.
That might be interesting. I may give it a try...

Regards

Hi, will you be using the FEP16JT on the secondary side too?

On the Farnell picture they have three terminals. Is this correct?

[soundiceuk]

sorry missed your post .. bought 50 arresters here that work like a charmeBay - The UK's Online Marketplace after they arrived (very quick to the UK 3 days) I decided to buy
and a job lot of 360 4Kv russian military spec caps here which I will happily mix for voltage and valueI'm not over worried about pretty!
K73-14 PETP HV Capacitor 3300pF 4kV 5% ,Lot of 360 | eBay I'm sure I posted this site before .. best wishes D
.. you need to scratch a bit for caps!

Hi Duncan, do arrestors run out?

What great ebaying!

[soundiceuk]

I think there is error. See corrected picture in att. There is also alternative for ignition coils from + line...

Cinan

The schematic is very small.

What is the purpose of the extra drawing. I cannot make it out very well.

[Peculian]

things to keep in mind

Hi Folks !

About Spark-gap,to keep it or not ?
As for what I have learned till now the sg (spark-gap for short) is
extremely needed !! See for example the paper in wich Tesla left reports
on researches about experiments on HF HV phenomena,and he concluded that
the sg is key-piece circuit part. Especially when sg is quenched those phenomena or effects on HV HF were more intense.
HV DC + HV Capacitor + sg(quenched) + short heavy coil = More Radiant Energy !
More Radiant Energy = more resonance/more ambient energy into circuit.
This is we are after.
Don said (if I can complette the meaning in as less words possible) that Tesla used very
heavy equipment coils caps ,hv dc gen and so on.
Nowadays we have the needed equipments almost ready and lightweight
than Tesla had.So for us a flyback, a NST Transformer or similar materials
does exactly the half of the work to the overall circuit we should build,
because it is (a NST in e.g) a Tesla coil itself.yep folks.
that`s what ZZZZ was trying to tell everyone here.thanks goes to her.
Now to us remains building other half of overall circuit - the step down
process this time aka the reverse of what we already obtained with a
NST in e.g
we can start from the very basic Tesla converter circuit or jump to
Don`s style circuit/or Zelina`s style circuit or our "personal"
style circuit.It matters only the results to have at the output trafo.

Here is where things are not that clear for the moment.at last for most people.
I suggest people to throw point of view /info /details of the last stage
of our circuit.Fortunately Don gave some hints,not much however.
Zelina has given to us more, thankfully.we are indept to her for this.
What`s last ? oh yeah the most important show - Everyone who seriosly
takes on this research, better build the circuit for it`s own self.
Hopefully to share some insights with others before to never get back to
this thread. .Yes the mib`s are around,but there`s always
another track to share info pretty much anonymously.
The expected Puzzle is almost completed in front of our eyes.

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Peculian!!

Hi Folks !

About Spark-gap,to keep it or not ?
As for what I have learned till now the sg (spark-gap for short) is
extremely needed !! See for example the paper in wich Tesla left reports
on researches about experiments on HF HV phenomena,and he concluded that
the sg is key-piece circuit part. Especially when sg is quenched those phenomena or effects on HV HF were more intense.
HV DC + HV Capacitor + sg(quenched) + short heavy coil = More Radiant Energy !
More Radiant Energy = more resonance/more ambient energy into circuit.
This is we are after.
Don said (if I can complette the meaning in as less words possible) that Tesla used very
heavy equipment coils caps ,hv dc gen and so on.
Nowadays we have the needed equipments almost ready and lightweight
than Tesla had.So for us a flyback, a NST Transformer or similar materials
does exactly the half of the work to the overall circuit we should build,
because it is (a NST in e.g) a Tesla coil itself.yep folks.
that`s what ZZZZ was trying to tell everyone here.thanks goes to her.
Now to us remains building other half of overall circuit - the step down
process this time aka the reverse of what we already obtained with a
NST in e.g
we can start from the very basic Tesla converter circuit or jump to
Don`s style circuit/or Zelina`s style circuit or our "personal"
style circuit.It matters only the results to have at the output trafo.

Here is where things are not that clear for the moment.at last for most people.
I suggest people to throw point of view /info /details of the last stage
of our circuit.Fortunately Don gave some hints,not much however.
Zelina has given to us more, thankfully.we are indept to her for this.
What`s last ? oh yeah the most important show - Everyone who seriosly
takes on this research, better build the circuit for it`s own self.
Hopefully to share some insights with others before to never get back to
this thread. .Yes the mib`s are around,but there`s always
another track to share info pretty much anonymously.
The expected Puzzle is almost completed in front of our eyes.

[Farmhand]

It seems there is still misunderstanding of what Back emf or Counter emf is, the
energy stored in the magnetic field of an inductor or coil in not Back emf or
counter emf, when the magnetic field collapses the emf produced is forward
emf and it is opposed by Back emf when it happens. When the coil is charging
the current induces a counter emf when the charging stops the back emf
ceases to exist, the energy stored in the magnetic field is not back emf, when
the magnetic field collapses the emf it produces induces more back emf as
current flows in the circuit, when the current stops the back emf ceases to
exist again.

Bemf is not real capturable energy and it only exists to oppose the flow of current.

The statement by Zilano below, and I Quote here

"since its half wave input but at the output you get full wave coz of back emf."

is totally false. Zilano's posts are loaded with contradictions.
It is important to understand the truth if not you may be led around the
garden path (it's a circular path).
The understanding of what Back emf actually is is important.

I'll provide links below for relevant information..



This is a good link.
Inductors

A quote from the first link.

Counter E.M.F. Retards Current Flow

When a Voltage (step function) is applied to an Inductor, a current is made to flow through its conductors creating an expanding Magnetic Field (Flux).

This expanding Field induces a current (Counter E.M.F.) possessing an opposite polarity from that of the applied voltage. The amount of this counter E.M.F. is directly related to the derivative of the applied current, i.e., the faster the rise/fall the greater the current. The effect of this is to impede the rate of expansion of the Magnetic field.

This has already been covered on this forum.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eld-spike.html

More links from wiki.
Counter-electromotive force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Inductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Be very wary of any so called expert who can not even use the term Back emf
correctly.

It is a little confusing by it's nature, but not so much so that it cannot be
understood by everyone.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or should not believe, I'm just pointing some stuff out.

With nothing shown I find it incredible people are hanging on Zilano's every word. Just incredible.

I just took an hour out of my day to try to help, if people want to see it as
me being a naysayer so be it. I don't care about that. I care about the truth.

Cheers

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks for taking some time out of your day to help others understand stuff!!

It seems there is still misunderstanding of what Back emf or Counter emf is, the
energy stored in the magnetic field of an inductor or coil in not Back emf or
counter emf, when the magnetic field collapses the emf produced is forward
emf and it is opposed by Back emf when it happens. When the coil is charging
the current induces a counter emf when the charging stops the back emf
ceases to exist, the energy stored in the magnetic field is not back emf, when
the magnetic field collapses the emf it produces induces more back emf as
current flows in the circuit, when the current stops the back emf ceases to
exist again.

Bemf is not real capturable energy and it only exists to oppose the flow of current.

The statement by Zilano below, and I Quote here



is totally false. Zilano's posts are loaded with contradictions.
It is important to understand the truth if not you may be led around the
garden path (it's a circular path).
The understanding of what Back emf actually is is important.

I'll provide links below for relevant information..

This is a good link.
Inductors

A quote from the first link.


This has already been covered on this forum.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...eld-spike.html

More links from wiki.
Counter-electromotive force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Inductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Be very wary of any so called expert who can not even use the term Back emf
correctly.

It is a little confusing by it's nature, but not so much so that it cannot be
understood by everyone.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or should not believe, I'm just pointing some stuff out.

With nothing shown I find it incredible people are hanging on Zilano's every word. Just incredible.

I just took an hour out of my day to try to help, if people want to see it as
me being a naysayer so be it. I don't care about that. I care about the truth.

Cheers