Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[GSM]

People can be deceiving too. And looks can tell truths as well.

The onus is not on the ones who cast doubt, to disprove what is claimed by others.
The onus is on the ones who make claims to prove the claims they make.

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And where there is no Proof ?

I have been to this thread before and gone away because I have seen claims I perceive to be invalid, but I have no wish to cause embarrassment by pointing them out in public.

Yet many claims have been valid, though some are based upon various concensus understandings, not all of which we are presently educated in, and some of those understandings, which, though valid, could be 'poo-hooed' via present day 'theory' !

Farmhand, I have watched the EVIDENCE of your investigative videos and the videos from others in this thread, and as you are concluding, there are none which have proven the development of over-unity.

Closed circuits energised by electron activity CANNOT generate or 'pull' more electrons out of thin air, no matter whether tuned of length, or reactively resonant, or making sparks, or supposedly involving longitudinal radiation. End of ! Electrons do not exist in free air, only ions.

The only 'free' (non-magnetic and non-mechanical) electricity I have seen recorded via a flow of electrons has been to neutralise positive ions, with those ions being related to atmospheric collection, radioactive decay, or an induced transmutation of matter.

In the hope that I have not missed something whilst away, or whilst asleep and dreaming ...zzzz...
I ask if anyone here has EVIDENCE to show that my knowledge is incomplete ?

Your web veil hiding a glorious smile Zilano ?

[xilo]

Very interesting progress in the Don Smith arena. Seems like word on the street is a number of members are coming forward with working systems.

I'm sorry I never responded to the member who asked about Bruce's Radiant Energy Collection CD-ROM. The file was a compressed zip file in .exe format. Everyone who tried it had success.

We are all here to free ourselves from slavery. I am here to help you all!!!

Thanks to a very hard working bunch of like minded individuals here is the answer!!!!!!!!!

- TEAM ION VALVE -

Hi soundiceuk!

I saw your posted circuit. i am very impressed and want to make it.

would you kindly let me know what values of electrolytic capacitors C5, C6, C7 15 volts are.They are not specified in the schematic and the component list

best regards

xilo

[T-1000]

I'm not at all sure “doesn’t radiate any energy” would be the right term, perhaps doesn’t radiate any energy in a form we are currently familiar with might be a better turn of phrase. After all look at the shape and style of Tesla's antenna's



do you know of any present day transmitter feeding a ball ? No of course not! Tesla was transmitting with a full standing wave. A system not taught and actively suppressed since the time of spark gap transmitters.

Patent US1119732 - ELECTRICAL ENERGY - Google Patents
The coil is 90 degrees to Earth ground.
And the capacitor sphere is on extended wire tube end....

[Eng.raied]

Hi all
this two tests of (half of thief circuit) and normal don smith circuit with homemade capacitor 4.5 nF >6000V
aluminum foil and x-ray paper only two layer of x-ray paper and two layer of foil




normal don smith circuit
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half of thief circuit
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test for half of thief circuit.jpg

[Guruji]

Guruji

What is a power consumption of this circuit ? Does transistor get hot ?

My ZVS consumes about 2amp measured with my MM. ZVS have two mosfets and runs cold maybe that's why this circuit is called Zero Voltage Switching ZVS.

Hi Guruji!

good work ! u r catching on. its like trying to learn a bicycle for the first time. U will get the hang of it. appreciate ur initiative and forwardness to experiment.

keep safe high voltages are lethal. and can kill u. safety first experiment second.


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Thanks Zilano for your appreciation. Same to you I appreciate your openess to share your tech knowledge with us.

Here, in this PDF the different positions of the spark gap and capacitor and what are the effects

here is one case when the spark gap is before capacitor and on the bottom side of the circuit - Don Smith style

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1339233023

and here when the spark is between capacitor and the solenoid L1

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1339232822

rgds blackrobi

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That's interesting Blackrobi. Does this mean that the last setup is best?
Thanks for sharing

[boguslaw]

GSM

While tapping ions from air of electrons from ground (plenty because we are taught to spill all excess power to Earth ground) is interesting it is still secondary source of free energy. We are discussing pure Faraday's law induction method of tapping free energy . Energy is not in ions or electrons - it is in electric field difference flowing like a wave and performing work over electrons. Are we really convinced that electric power is converted into other forms like heat or light ???? What if not, if those are free except we are not recovering initial wave doing work. Hard to believe but I'm more and more convinced that Tom Bearden was right, except he didn't stated it clearly.
What if we are wasting original electric energy and even paying for that waste ?!

[Eng.raied]

Here, in this PDF the different positions of the spark gap and capacitor and what are the effects

here is one case when the spark gap is before capacitor and on the bottom side of the circuit - Don Smith style

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1339233023

and here when the spark is between capacitor and the solenoid L1

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1339232822

rgds blackrobi

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GOOD Work blackrobi

excellent notes

[GSM]

GSM

We are discussing pure Faraday's law induction method of tapping free energy . Energy is not in ions or electrons - it is in electric field difference flowing like a wave and performing work over electrons.

Thanks for your reply Boguslaw.

Faraday's Law relates to closed circuits too, and is more commonly related to induced electromagnetic fields as are generated by charge (electron transfer) (energy) flow.

Where is this free energy, and where is evidence for it ?

Free space has a natural impedance, and can store/ return energy but it cannot return more energy than is induced into it in series with its own natural impedance.

Cheers ........ Graham.

[blackrobi]

one more exp.

Hi Patrick , Hi All

Thanks for words

The voltage that I use is ~2500V it is for sure not more then that, the frequency I don’t know because I have a digital meter that has a frequency meter up to 200 KHz but if I put it around the device it is useless, it jumps from number to number .
But I think it is not greater then 25 KHz.

In meanwhile I tried this one

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1339261381

The field around the primary L1 is the weakest, but the spark on the secondary L2 became a strongest thou I can freely touch it no shock effect at all

The next thing that is in my mined is to put a capacitor before the spark gap in parallel and feeding it with AV plug.

rgds blackrobi

[blackrobi]

a question

Thanks Zilano, Guruji, Eng. raied

I think the last one is the best, although I dont know should it bee in that way

The question is how could I post a picture that gonna be visible on the post

thanks blackrobi

[soundiceuk]

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[blackrobi]

next try

thanks soundiceuk

a try

[soundiceuk]

Hi soundiceuk!

I saw your posted circuit. i am very impressed and want to make it.

would you kindly let me know what values of electrolytic capacitors C5, C6, C7 15 volts are.They are not specified in the schematic and the component list

best regards

xilo

GLAD TO HAVE CAUGHT YOUR INTEREST XILO

Latest schematic v1.3

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EjTT20...ver%20v1.3.pdf

You can use 15v, 10,000uf to build a good proof of concept device.

The reason the schematic changed is because of the new HVM.

Available from:

High Voltage, High Frequency Power Supplies

1 @ $19.95ea.

10-24 @ $14.95ea.

25-99 @ $13.95ea.

100+ @ $11.95ea.

Here are just a few of the shots I took of the MiniMax3 Lenz kindly sent me, in raw format.











http://www.allelectronics.com/mas_assets/spec/HVS-1.pdf

http://www.nd.edu/~avorobie/projects...ce/minimax.pdf

Pretty Standard NPN BJT! These guys have been the work horse for so many experimenters.

The SEC version is a 70V / 10A / 75W BJT

MJE3055TG ON Semiconductor | MJE3055TGOS-ND | DigiKey

This will match it pretty well.

L1 & L2

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Want to know anything else pm me.

[xee2]

thanks soundiceuk

a try

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[zilano]

Thanks Zilano, Guruji, Eng. raied

I think the last one is the best, although I dont know should it bee in that way

The question is how could I post a picture that gonna be visible on the post

thanks blackrobi

when u upload the pic on this forum it shows as thumbnail in the post u posted. now go to ur own post and just right click on the thumb image of ur own post and select open in new window. another window will open and will show u the larger image of the pic u saw in thumbnail. again right click that big image and select copy and come to ur own post page and click edit it will open the edit window to edit ur post. now where ever u want to paste the picture in ur own posted text just right click and select paste and ur image gets pasted along with ur posted text.

its called inline embedding pictures. same way u can paste any image along with text. the same feature apply in emails too.

rgds

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