Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[gsmsslsb]

Hi, I've stored the revised (1 July) circuit diagram from Daemonbart as a JPG file, attached -- can you see it now?
Can you tell me, what high-voltage NST transformer will you use? Thanks!

About the coils, you'll have to ask Daemonbart. He has been very helpful.

Yes I can see it now thanks.
I have 2 x 12000 volt 60 ma NSTs and about 5 x 15000 volt 30ma NSTs at present I think I will use the 15000 V

[mr.clean]

major forum suggestion

hi everyone, i would really like to encourage all those with advice to first build and provide video of their suggested mods.

It just seems that its always the same people giving lessons and suggestions, and only a small group actually building,

Of course the actual builders will humouringly take suggestions but im sure the suggestions for mods would be easier accepted AND appreciated if the efforts were on vid

My suggestion is that questions, problems, new videos, new info, any topic, goes here on this forum...

...and untested theoretical suggestions advice be done in PM
Aside from the kacher recently,the most recent usable stuff was back on like page 60.... i think LOL (joke)

but seriously this is more like a chat room right now

[David Fine]

Sound Very Reasonable

Yes, that sounds very reasonable.

hi everyone, i would really like to encourage all those with advice to first build and provide video of their suggested mods.

It just seems that its always the same people giving lessons and suggestions, and only a small group actually building,

Of course the actual builders will humouringly take suggestions but im sure the suggestions for mods would be easier accepted AND appreciated if the efforts were on vid

My suggestion is that questions, problems, new videos, new info, any topic, goes here on this forum...

...and untested theoretical suggestions advice be done in PM
Aside from the kacher recently,the most recent usable stuff was back on like page 60.... i think LOL (joke)

but seriously this is more like a chat room right now

[joefr]

Hi JoeFR,

i tried to replicate your setup as close as possible, and i can confirm that it takes some time
to load the caps (the bigger the caps, the longer it takes).

So it seems that the kacher does not provide enough power.
That is what i have seen in earlier experiments i did with the kacher, lots of losses due to heat and RF.

So i don't think the kacher is a good source for power generating.


Video: Kacher stepdown 1 - YouTube


Regards Itsu

Hi Itsu nice Replication

Few suggestions from my experimenting:
The reason I have my kacher coils in horizontal position is that I can slide L1 3 Turn primary coil during operation and see impact on output. I never got a good result with L1 primary coil at the bottom of the secondary coil.
Slide the L1 3turn primary coil during operation toward the middle of the secondary L2 coil until you find the sweet spot.

Second suggestion is that you try open spark gap no GDT ( surge arrestors, gas discharge tubes ).
I tried many GDT-s but the output was very low compared to the recent test with carbon electrodes open spark gaps.

Try to put your output caps in series to lover the capacitance.

I think I charge my 220nF cap bank over 1000volts before I dump this energy to stepdown transformer via spark gap .

JoeFR

[joefr]

major forum suggestion

Hi Mr. Clean

You are right. We have so many people here on this thread but only few are doing actual practical experiments and showing the result.

I would be very happy if we could turn this ratio to more practical experiments.

I think that there are quite many quiet people here which are doing experiments but never shows the results

When more people will start doing practical experiments and showing their results the sooner we know what works and what does not work.

JoeFR

[GSM]

Hi Mr. Clean

You are right. We have so many people here on this thread but only few are doing actual practical experiments and showing the result.

I would be very happy if we could turn this ratio to more practical experiments.

I think that there are quite many quiet people here which are doing experiments but never shows the results

When more people will start doing practical experiments and showing their results the sooner we know what works and what does not work.

JoeFR

I for one have yet to see ANY result indicating OU such that it would be sensible for me to follow their example.
Also anything I have seen (not using dissociation/ radioactivity) has also been couched in fundamental impossibilities, with hints to Tesla technologies which did not claim OU anyway !

[T-1000]

I for one have yet to see ANY result indicating OU such that it would be sensible for me to follow their example.
Also anything I have seen (not using dissociation/ radioactivity) has also been couched in fundamental impossibilities, with hints to Tesla technologies which did not claim OU annyway !

There is no such thing.
Usually you provide source from power for oscillations what create secondary energy input pathway and secondary input is transformed into load. It can be radiation, atom transmutation while loosing particles or magnetic/mechanic - it is up to your system what to use. Few examples:
N. Tesla used explosive capacitor discharge for amplifying momentary input power to run things;
D. Smith used cloning of magnetic field and harvested electrostatic field from plasma tube into capacitors too;
E. Leedskalnin disturbed atoms magnetic field to counter Earth magnetic field in his Coral castle and used short magnetic pulses in his generator..

[GSM]

Hi itsu,

kacher works perfectly although spark gap primary is the best option.

you did not have proper resonance in your system.

follow the schematic below



T and R

dunfasto

Some posts ago I commented about it being ESSENTIAL to decouple a DC ammeter from RF and oscillatory pulses.

Until you do this Dunfasto, your claim of OU is not verified !

Also, until you do make this verification, I wonder how you can be sure that you are not misleading other subscribers ?

[Jack Noskills]

Output stage for DS circuit ?

I played with two 1:1 trafos a bit and I was able to connect them so that I can get more power out than it consumes. I used small laminated iron trafos whose output was rated at 20 watts. I get maybe about 30-35 watts out, primary uses less than 6 watts. Exact COP is not important as this is low power, but how to get this result should be usefull information. I am putting this here as it is simple and it should be usable in DS type circuit. If you have two 1:1 trafos you can easily verify it.

Now look at the picture, the second trafo is connected so that as current in one coil goes from left to right, it creates current in the second coil from right to left. Then I feed both currents to load from the same side. When load is connected current on primary side rises for a moment and then it returns back to same level as before. Now the fun starts if this second trafo is more powerfull than the first trafo, it starts pushing power back. I had nanoperm core which I tried, not powerfull enough but the idle current in primary went down a bit when power was taken. Thus COP was increased even more.

I also tried series caps between load and trafos, and they further increased output while input went down. I ended up in a situation where 25 watt bulb on the primary side did not even glow while output was about 30-35 watts. After enough series caps primary side started to consume more so I quess I was sort of tuning it.

The first trafo had high self inductance (coil resistance 165 ohms), meaning that when it is connected to mains without load only little current goes through. This high self inductance is essential to get OU effect. I smashed some chinese made christmas light trafos and took four primaries from there and made 1:1 trafos from them. My 1:1 version was not perfect so it had a bit more this leakage current than the real one. This I was able to reduce with series caps but I think that caps would not have been needed if I could have made just little tighter package.

If someone has scope, then it would be usefull to check out what exactly happens if you can replicate this. Maybe even a simulator could show this effect as there are no spark gaps involved.

Dr. Jones, you still got those Gold Medals available ? I wonder if this would qualify, most likely someone must have figured this out already. Has anyone seen this before ? If not, then I have a name for it: TrollBuster, lol.

[GSM]

Hi all.
A short translation
It is an experience to obtain the free energy of the radio tubes.
Based on the effect of explosive electron emission. The diagram shows a generator of sinusoidal voltage at the two transistors. High-voltage transformer from the TV. The essence of the effect - knock additional electrons from the cathode tube. The tube is connected to the load through the gap.
In the video: Two long white rod - a high-voltage diodes KЦ109. Tube - ГМ70. Load - 220V lamp, 100Vatt. The power supply gives power to the filament tube. It is about 20V. The battery gives power to the circuit. This mode of operation for the radio tubes - is very harmful. Initially used 6P3S tube (EL-34 equivalent). While picking modes, these lamps are spoiled. With these tubes the effect was much better.
The author has doubts about the reliability of the use of tubes in this circuit.

Best Regards
Vasiliy

Thank you Vasiliy. Modus operandii ?

Ripping electrons out of cathode with pulsed grid current will damage any tube.

Cathode generates electrons. Grid can collect electrons. (Better with class B/C tubes having higher voltage plus higher grid current ratings.)
Osillatory control of anode potential wrt grid could repeatedly reflect electrons back into the cathode to avalanche out even more electrons, with the excess to be phase harvested via the grid.

Of course it would be essential to prevent ion poisoning of the cathode (unless pure tungsten), and more likelt to be successful with thoriated tungsten directly heated cathode filament, or thoria coated indirectly heated cathode, or with tubes containing radon gas.

Cheers .......... Graham.
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[GSM]

I played with two 1:1 trafos a bit and I was able to connect them so that I can get more power out than it consumes. I used small laminated iron trafos whose output was rated at 20 watts. I get maybe about 30-35 watts out, primary uses less than 6 watts. Exact COP is not important as this is low power, but how to get this result should be usefull information. I am putting this here as it is simple and it should be usable in DS type circuit. If you have two 1:1 trafos you can easily verify it.

Now look at the picture, the second trafo is connected so that as current in one coil goes from left to right, it creates current in the second coil from right to left. Then I feed both currents to load from the same side. When load is connected current on primary side rises for a moment and then it returns back to same level as before. Now the fun starts if this second trafo is more powerfull than the first trafo, it starts pushing power back. I had nanoperm core which I tried, not powerfull enough but the idle current in primary went down a bit when power was taken. Thus COP was increased even more.

I also tried series caps between load and trafos, and they further increased output while input went down. I ended up in a situation where 25 watt bulb on the primary side did not even glow while output was about 30-35 watts. After enough series caps primary side started to consume more so I quess I was sort of tuning it.

The first trafo had high self inductance (coil resistance 165 ohms), meaning that when it is connected to mains without load only little current goes through. This high self inductance is essential to get OU effect. I smashed some chinese made christmas light trafos and took four primaries from there and made 1:1 trafos from them. My 1:1 version was not perfect so it had a bit more this leakage current than the real one. This I was able to reduce with series caps but I think that caps would not have been needed if I could have made just little tighter package.

If someone has scope, then it would be usefull to check out what exactly happens if you can replicate this. Maybe even a simulator could show this effect as there are no spark gaps involved.

Dr. Jones, you still got those Gold Medals available ? I wonder if this would qualify, most likely someone must have figured this out already. Has anyone seen this before ? If not, then I have a name for it: TrollBuster, lol.

But you have an AC (line?) source.

You may have tuned your transformers to the load such that the input current has become phase shifted WRT voltage.

Use an inverter as your 'AC' source and if your circuit still works then check the increase in inverter draw between idle and loaded.

[T-1000]

I played with two 1:1 trafos a bit and I was able to connect them so that I can get more power out than it consumes. I used small laminated iron trafos whose output was rated at 20 watts. I get maybe about 30-35 watts out, primary uses less than 6 watts. Exact COP is not important as this is low power, but how to get this result should be usefull information. I am putting this here as it is simple and it should be usable in DS type circuit. If you have two 1:1 trafos you can easily verify it.

Now look at the picture, the second trafo is connected so that as current in one coil goes from left to right, it creates current in the second coil from right to left. Then I feed both currents to load from the same side. When load is connected current on primary side rises for a moment and then it returns back to same level as before. Now the fun starts if this second trafo is more powerfull than the first trafo, it starts pushing power back. I had nanoperm core which I tried, not powerfull enough but the idle current in primary went down a bit when power was taken. Thus COP was increased even more.

Can you please show it in video? The exact models of transformers would be helpful also.
The entire things is - you load first transformer with secondary transformer from beginning and when apply load the second transformer goes into half-choke mode. The interesting fact is, it creates out of phase current so the Lenz force should miss phase of primary in first transformer(that's my though in ideal world).

Cheers!

[VasiliyBuslaev]

Hello, GSM.

If you want performance of tubes 6П3С (6P3S) manufacturing of "Svetlana" (Russia), I can searching for you. We have used amplifiers produced by "Tesla - music"(Czechoslovakia) on the EL34 tubes, which are replaced with 6P3S, these tubes are the same. Also, the same technical characteristics.
However, the mode is heavy for a tube.
In doubt the reliability of such a scheme.
But try.
All the best, Graham

Vasiliy

[T-1000]

Hello, GSM.

If you want performance of tubes 6П3С (6P3S) manufacturing of "Svetlana" (Russia), I can searching for you. We have used amplifiers produced by "Tesla - music"(Czechoslovakia) on the EL34 tubes, which are replaced with 6P3S, these tubes are the same.

Выходной лучевой тетрод 6П3С. Технические характеристики

[VasiliyBuslaev]

T-1000. ahead
well
Perhaps, too, from the former Soviet Union?

B.R.