Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[T-1000]

The advantage to doing this would be no breaks at all in the 'back EMF path' toroid, so likely a better flux path with lower reluctance. You have direct paths from the primary to each of the two secondaries, and you have a completely separate unbroken path between the two secondaries.

The main idea for whole subject is to let fight counter EMF between secondary coils and do not let it fight with your primary coil because this is what happens in conventional transformer.

Cheers!

[T-1000]

hehe, your request is uploading as we speak...

...and its good news btw...

Thanks, so this is same what my team's measurements was showing:
The current draw drops on primary when we apply more load to secondaries.

[Dave45]

Hi Dave - In the second link you posted there from hyiq it is missing the last two images on that page. One was a schematic of self assisted oscillating coils. I don't know if they just now went missing but do you have those images saved or were they there when you looked at this page?

No the images are missing, not sure why.

[T-1000]

Yes, I understand that, and I believe that is exactly what the 3D arrangement will facilitate. From what I can see, what you said is not contrary in any way to what I have suggested with the 3D arrangement...

The magnetic core path should be closed between two secondaries but open for the primary so it can induce currents in secondary. In triangle it is half closed and you still will receive counter EMF to primary coil.

[Dave45]

Put a couple of loops around secondary and run to primary, use the induction of the secondary to help run the primary.
If that doesnt work just loop the primary too and connect back to itself an use as shorted coil.

[mr.clean]

I took a quick look at Thane Heins' bi-toroid transformer patent, and it appears that in the patent Thane came up with a simpler way to do this than what he showed in his demo video, using just two toroids. Instead of winding the primary on the center common sides of the two toroids, he wound the primary on one of the isolated sides, and the secondaries on the two remaining sides. I am attaching figure 4 from the patent doc. So this would seem to be a simpler way requiring just two toroids.

holy you just blew my mind, it would definitely keep bemf from L1 by having it so far away!! wow
ive seen that doc many times, but i always thought is was conceptual, but that would be so cool if that worked

i also noticed in a vid of Thanes that he did a high impedance primary, and a low impedance primary, the low impedance worked and the high impedance didnt.
i remember commenting once on his vid:
''ok so step up, not step down, great info"
it makes sense

[mr.clean]

It actually looks like your analog DC ammeter is able to read the average DC current not too badly at the approx 2.5 KHz you were using, and even though you are not measuring pure DC. Average current is not the same as RMS current, but if the ammeter is showing a ball park number (it seems to be ball park) for the average current for the input current, then with roughly 2.4 watts input and about 1.35 watts output, your efficiency would be roughly in the area of 56%.

i appreciate your calculations, but i know from working with circuits that 1.35watts doesnt heat up anything at all

and does it not matter that all out put readings exeeded input readings?

i thought everyone wanted me to rectify and show resistive loads, input measured a little peep, and output was off the scale in one instance.

so sure, compare the half wave input, and the half wave output, it was unmatched in each situation...

is that not good?
Should we not have seen MORE current thru primary while under load ???

and is the resonance taken into consideration what you see in primary? because resonance does that, unlike other frequencies above or below, something very unique happened, unlike other times i have tuned for resonance,

once i found this spot, i was able to turn up the duty cycle dramatically more, and current just would not flow thru primary, such Intense resistance/impedance, if i removed or changed those values, the primary current would rocket up, and output would fall flat.

but like in last run video, input read .2A right off the 12v battery, and there really seemed like more heat than 2 watts in the load

hey dont resistor readings show the current trace? are they eclipsed or something? i really dont know

[Lightworker1]

Hello back over a year ago, I spent time building Don Smith's device. I played with several versions (but not with parallel LC with spark gap). All I got was 60 W bulb dimly lighting which implied resonance of the desired quality was absent! It showed fare amount sparks however. Then I thought, may be build a better PSU and perfect the LC in parallel with spark gap. I am thinking of building ZVS PSU using fast power MOSFETS. Next I will make sure parallel LC with a spark gap is functioning first, because without that resonance it is DEAD-SHORT. I really look forward to generating 30-50 Kilo Watts which Don was saying is possible!

http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...inDonSmith.png

Mean while, as some of the members on this forum are sometimes also on the other forum, I just posted my first Ufopolitics Asymmetric Motor YouTube Video.

Replication of UFOPOLITIC'S Asymmetric Radio Shack 5 Pole Motor by Lightworker1 - #001 - YouTube

[mr.clean]

Hello back over a year ago, I spent time building Don Smith's device. I played with several versions (but not with parallel LC with spark gap). All I got was 60 W bulb dimly lighting which implied resonance of the desired quality was absent! It showed fare amount sparks however. Then I thought, may be build a better PSU and perfect the LC in parallel with spark gap. I am thinking of building ZVS PSU using fast power MOSFETS. Next I will make sure parallel LC with a spark gap is functioning first, because without that resonance it is DEAD-SHORT. I really look forward to generating 30-50 Kilo Watts which Don was saying is possible!

http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...inDonSmith.png

Mean while, as some of the members on this forum are sometimes also on the other forum, I just posted my first Ufopolitics Asymmetric Motor YouTube Video.

Replication of UFOPOLITIC'S Asymmetric Radio Shack 5 Pole Motor by Lightworker1 - #001 - YouTube

cool stuff, not too familiar with that motor but if Tesla is behind it, then i'll take it
(they didnt let just some idiot build the Niagra Falls Gen Station ; )

and with you Smith build, keep your spark gap exposed and adjustable, or encased is fine but keep it adjustable

my board now has a pvc encased spark gap and magnets for quenching, still adjustable on the side thru the PVC tube
coming soon, just want to build a driver using the bitoroid, and then high freq for the 70khz or so but everything will be tuned for min input and max output

[T-1000]

i appreciate your calculations, but i know from working with circuits that 1.35watts doesnt heat up anything at all

and does it not matter that all out put readings exeeded input readings?

i thought everyone wanted me to rectify and show resistive loads, input measured a little peep, and output was off the scale in one instance.

so sure, compare the half wave input, and the half wave output, it was unmatched in each situation...

is that not good?

It is good enough, now if you rectify full wave and feed back into generator it should be sufficient to recharge battery at least

[Lightworker1]

cool stuff, not too familiar with that motor but if Tesla is behind it, then i'll take it
(they didnt let just some idiot build the Niagra Falls Gen Station ; )

and with you Smith build, keep your spark gap exposed and adjustable, or encased is fine but keep it adjustable

my board now has a pvc encased spark gap and magnets for quenching, still adjustable on the side thru the PVC tube
coming soon, just want to build a driver using the bitoroid, and then high freq for the 70khz or so but everything will be tuned for min input and max output

@ Hello Mr.Clean
I will look out for your Don Smith Build as soon as you ready. Thanks for the kind words. The ZVS PSU which I am thinking of modifying is this one:

ZVS Flyback Driver with pcb

How To Build A Simple But Powerful Flyback Driver

In the past I used ready-built HV unit but soon realised that was not the right candidate. I have the feeling that this ZVS flyback PSU will make it possible to reach the goal (that will be great! lol)

Many many thanks

Warmest regards

[mr.clean]

It is good enough, now if you rectify full wave and feed back into generator it should be sufficient to recharge battery at least

those are my thoughts as well,
and yes i will get back to "closing the loop" experiments soon

[mr.clean]

need advice

hey in this video, what would i do to use this energy at lower voltage from these big 2kv caps?

anyone with experience hooking up IGBT's? basically just a transistor, but i dont want to hurt them, i have 6

turn down volume...

Don Smith Device Project Part 30 A: Capacitors Charging - YouTube

[MorepowerIgor]

What happens if the Thanes effect is a red herring?

I wonder how much of the flux is making it through the junction where the faces of the ferrite touch.

I've watched Woopy's video where he melts a steel wire with 12 watts using a HF toroidal transformer, and thought butter yes but steel? no way.

What about all the other Joule Ringers? The're outputs are always very efficient. But what they haven't got is a resonant primary or secondary.

What if you take a regular Joule Ringer and stick the winding's into resonance and also wind the primary around 2 toroids so you've got double the output potential?

I've got all the bits in my workshop to give it a go, but how do I explain to my wife that monkeying around with these small round ring things is more important than getting on with building her new house?

[mr.clean]

@ Hello Mr.Clean
I will look out for your Don Smith Build as soon as you ready. Thanks for the kind words. The ZVS PSU which I am thinking of modifying is this one:

ZVS Flyback Driver with pcb

How To Build A Simple But Powerful Flyback Driver

In the past I used ready-built HV unit but soon realised that was not the right candidate. I have the feeling that this ZVS flyback PSU will make it possible to reach the goal (that will be great! lol)

Many many thanks

Warmest regards

ive seen this and similar on freeenergyLT's site, Tiger's section
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near bottom of page here, just wow...
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