Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[mr.clean]

Hi mr. clean. Ok on all. I will be interested to see how you make out with it. I am still doing my own testing as well, but I don't have a lot of free time these days so I am taking it slow. Good luck with the experiments!

well i hope to make it a whole lot easier for all very soon with this simplified version, and it already actually exists already
one thing i noticed today was for fun i applied AC from the variac as Farmhand mentioned to the 12vDC halogens i was using in recent vids, and lit just the same, but with massive current draw, so i like the pulse effect i think.

and i know that light is not an accurate measure, and HV can theoretically do the same with less current, but it just seems like the right path to what we are searching for
something like this...
Генератор Капанадзе 2кВт 2007год - YouTube

TK is the best example even though i really like Don's stuff, TK did public Device demos, and had no problem throwing the switch and letting it run

anyway, the spark sound im getting now is much quieter than the past induction setup.
BTW everyone, in my opinion it will be Don's "commercial model" i will be showing soon, and its really so easy, but one section he left out of the picture
and it is gonna be almost laughably obvious, its just a spark and cap / or some way of pulsing. really not a big deal, but cool to me coming soon

prob have time tomorow to make a vid, and i gotta get more bulbs first

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TK is the best example even though i really like Don's stuff, TK did public Device demos, and had no problem throwing the switch and letting it run

anyway, the spark sound im getting now is much quieter than the past induction setup.
BTW everyone, in my opinion it will be Don's "commercial model" i will be showing soon, and its really so easy, but one section he left out of the picture
and it is gonna be almost laughably obvious, its just a spark and cap / or some way of pulsing. really not a big deal, but cool to me coming soon

prob have time tomorow to make a vid, and i gotta get more bulbs first

Sounds good. Yeah, Mr. Kapanadze seems to have demo'd his generators quite a bit. It's strange that he hasn't struck a deal with some rich investor or some big company by now to start making and selling his generators though. Maybe he is just a particularly distrustful or paranoid guy though, or maybe he has very good reason to be really distrustful out in his neck of the woods. Obviously the other possibility is his devices don't really work. Not sure what is going on there. People can talk a lot of nonsense on the internet so it can often be really hard to sort out fact from fiction on things like this.

I am not sure which Don Smith device is his commercial model, although I seem to recall he showed a few pictures of at least one of his claimed commercial devices. I do have to wonder about Don Smith having done commercial deals and no one seems to be aware of any of his devices existing out there. Despite that sort of thing I am still open minded enough about over unity devices being possible that I am doing my own experimenting, as I have mentioned. Ok on the capacitor and the sparkgap to pulse it. I recall reading some of Bearden's stuff and his theory about pulsing capacitors to pull in energy from the aether or whatever term he uses. I think Bearden's idea was to pulse them in small increasing voltage steps, but single large pulses may possibly work the same way.

When using sparkgaps, measuring input and output power can be tricky due to all the EM noise and high voltage pulses they generate, but yes, if you can power enough lights or toasters or electric heaters and that sort of thing, that can certainly give a good indication of what kind of power you are generating. I personally still like to see actual power measurements as I know from my own experimenting how easy it is to misinterpret or overlook things. Of course if a person can get a device to self run and also produce some significant output power as well, then they don't really have to worry about power measurements too much. Just start using the flippin' thing.

[Farmhand]

I agree if it works, use it, I also agree that if we can light light bulbs up to a
usable light output with less than the rated input that is also very good but.

eg, if a 60 Watt bulb uses only 30 Watts to get to 70% brightness then that
might be much more efficient than 40 Watt bulb or something at full power.

My interpretation of the Don Smith device is a setup that uses a resonant air
cored transformer to charge HV capacitors which are used to power a step down
inverter. Which kinda doesn't make much sense because he shows transistors
switching the HV capacitors through the inverting transformer. He also claims
that the caps get charged to 8000 volts. And that doing the process produces
tens of kilowatts of usable power. However during his demonstration he was
struggling to keep the rated voltage across his load bulbs.

I still haven't seen a working MEG but Don says Tom Bearden copied one of
his devices which is more or less a MEG from what I can tell.

Anyway I do my own experiments looking for interesting effects as well, I'm
not a raving skeptic but I am skeptical of many well known claims.

I still do not see anyone with an implementation of Dons setup as he
describes it, with the large HV caps and step down inverter or something
similar.

I have a concept for a way to transfer the energy from the HV caps to the
step down inverter transformer at the required frequency without transistors, I've mentioned it
here before, but other than that I won't detail it again. Unless to an
experimenter "ready to go", the method requires a motor, still I have no
guarantee it would work as desired or be easy to build.

Cheers

[Guruji]

well i hope to make it a whole lot easier for all very soon with this simplified version, and it already actually exists already
one thing i noticed today was for fun i applied AC from the variac as Farmhand mentioned to the 12vDC halogens i was using in recent vids, and lit just the same, but with massive current draw, so i like the pulse effect i think.

and i know that light is not an accurate measure, and HV can theoretically do the same with less current, but it just seems like the right path to what we are searching for
something like this...
Генератор Капанадзе 2кВт 2007год - YouTube

TK is the best example even though i really like Don's stuff, TK did public Device demos, and had no problem throwing the switch and letting it run

anyway, the spark sound im getting now is much quieter than the past induction setup.
BTW everyone, in my opinion it will be Don's "commercial model" i will be showing soon, and its really so easy, but one section he left out of the picture
and it is gonna be almost laughably obvious, its just a spark and cap / or some way of pulsing. really not a big deal, but cool to me coming soon

prob have time tomorow to make a vid, and i gotta get more bulbs first

I was trying to build TK Kapagen but a guy told me that it can emits dangerous radiation. Don't know if this was true.

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I agree if it works, use it, I also agree that if we can light light bulbs up to a
usable light output with less than the rated input that is also very good but.

eg, if a 60 Watt bulb uses only 30 Watts to get to 70% brightness then that
might be much more efficient than 40 Watt bulb or something at full power.

My interpretation of the Don Smith device is a setup that uses a resonant air
cored transformer to charge HV capacitors which are used to power a step down
inverter. Which kinda doesn't make much sense because he shows transistors
switching the HV capacitors through the inverting transformer. He also claims
that the caps get charged to 8000 volts. And that doing the process produces
tens of kilowatts of usable power. However during his demonstration he was
struggling to keep the rated voltage across his load bulbs.

I still haven't seen a working MEG but Don says Tom Bearden copied one of
his devices which is more or less a MEG from what I can tell.

Anyway I do my own experiments looking for interesting effects as well, I'm
not a raving skeptic but I am skeptical of many well known claims.

I still do not see anyone with an implementation of Dons setup as he
describes it, with the large HV caps and step down inverter or something
similar.

I have a concept for a way to transfer the energy from the HV caps to the
step down inverter transformer at the required frequency without transistors, I've mentioned it
here before, but other than that I won't detail it again. Unless to an
experimenter "ready to go", the method requires a motor, still I have no
guarantee it would work as desired or be easy to build.
Cheers

Yeah, lightbulbs are useful in test setups, but you really just don't know for certain the actual power being consumed by the load without power measurements, that's for sure. I don't recall Don Smith saying Tom Bearden copied Don Smith's suitcase device, but I think Don Smith said that his suitcase device was similar to Bearden's MEG, and that Don had done it way earlier than Tom Bearden, and Don's device was supposed to give more output. If I get to the point in my experiments where I have to step down a high DC voltage I will keep your idea in mind. I would be more inclined to go the other way first and step the voltage down as AC first, and then convert to DC, but maybe there is a good reason for going the other way.

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I was trying to build TK Kapagen but a guy told me that it can emits dangerous radiation. Don't know if this was true.

I think there are some guys who are trying to replicate kapanadze's device who built a test device using a TV yoke transformer core, who said they thought the particular TV yoke transformer core they were using was emiiting some kind of radiation, but any sparkgap circuits can radiate a fair bit of electromagnetic radiation, depending on how much power you are driving with. Corona discharge (arcing or sparks) emits a broad spectrum of frequencies including RF, light including ultraviolet, and even low level X-rays. For lower input power levels, it probably isn't too harmful even with fairly long exposures, but it is probably a good idea to avoid looking directly at the arcing in a sparkgap if it is really bright and strong. Also corona discharge produces ozone which can be irritating to the eyes, nose, and throat, so use sparkgaps in a fairly well ventilated area if you are running them for long periods of time. Also, If you plan to run a sparkgap for long periods of time, you could probably install the sparkgap in a metal container, with ventillation holes, to help shield it from emitting EM radiation. Whether X-rays or other harmful high frequency radiation from sparkgaps could ever be at a level that would be dangerous I wouldn't know, but it is good to keep in mind and maybe do some research on it if you plan to run a sparkgap with high input power.

[Guruji]

I think there are some guys who are trying to replicate kapanadze's device who built a test device using a TV yoke transformer core, who said they thought the particular TV yoke transformer core they were using was emiiting some kind of radiation, but any sparkgap circuits can radiate a fair bit of electromagnetic radiation, depending on how much power you are driving with. Corona discharge (arcing or sparks) emits a broad spectrum of frequencies including RF, light including ultraviolet, and even low level X-rays. For lower input power levels, it probably isn't too harmful even with fairly long exposures, but it is probably a good idea to avoid looking directly at the arcing in a sparkgap if it is really bright and strong. Also corona discharge produces ozone which can be irritating to the eyes, nose, and throat, so use sparkgaps in a fairly well ventilated area if you are running them for long periods of time. Also, If you plan to run a sparkgap for long periods of time, you could probably install the sparkgap in a metal container, with ventillation holes, to help shield it from emitting EM radiation. Whether X-rays or other harmful high frequency radiation from sparkgaps could ever be at a level that would be dangerous I wouldn't know, but it is good to keep in mind and maybe do some research on it if you plan to run a sparkgap with high input power.

This guy was not refering to SG but to the coil maybe cause in the Kapagen there is a cadascuis coil type

[mr.clean]

hello mr.clean

this is my current test build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmblXm0Sad8

currently i am waiting for primary nst capacitors, but i think it makes no difference in the power (W) consumption of the nst.

with capacitors on the primary side of the nst, you only correct the power factor.
Neon FAQ

or I'm wrong?

nice work buddy!
have you tried rectifying both HV leads and run together? then use earth for ground point on gap, i think you will get both halves of NST running together as one, rather than half / half
just what i noticed from working with NSTs

[mr.clean]

I was trying to build TK Kapagen but a guy told me that it can emits dangerous radiation. Don't know if this was true.

hi man, well actually i firmly believe JLN knew that it was not the actual Kapanadze circuit (whatever it is) but wanted to show that you could in fact power loads with HV and using earth for neg (and possibly more current).

JLN's own testing concluded 96% efficient, and that is the typical effieciency of most transformers anyway, indicating that the special coil had absolutely no effect on the operation.

i do believe that Kapanadze is legit, but JLN's circuit is way off, here's one that could be good, but i dont think the spark is right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIfl55Vd-sI

the original vid is this...
безтопливный генератор Романова.mp4 - YouTube

it is very nice to see all the light, but i cant tell if the schematic is correct from the vid

[ctbenergy]

nice work buddy!
have you tried rectifying both HV leads and run together? then use earth for ground point on gap, i think you will get both halves of NST running together as one, rather than half / half
just what i noticed from working with NSTs

hi buddy, yes i tried rectifying both HV leads and run together.

today, i connect the rectifying both HV leads on one side of the MOT cap and on the other side to spark gap through a load to ground, interesting

more on that tomorrow, today it is too late, 1:15
best regards from Austria

[Farmhand]

I think there are some guys who are trying to replicate kapanadze's device who built a test device using a TV yoke transformer core, who said they thought the particular TV yoke transformer core they were using was emiiting some kind of radiation, but any sparkgap circuits can radiate a fair bit of electromagnetic radiation, depending on how much power you are driving with. Corona discharge (arcing or sparks) emits a broad spectrum of frequencies including RF, light including ultraviolet, and even low level X-rays. For lower input power levels, it probably isn't too harmful even with fairly long exposures, but it is probably a good idea to avoid looking directly at the arcing in a sparkgap if it is really bright and strong. Also corona discharge produces ozone which can be irritating to the eyes, nose, and throat, so use sparkgaps in a fairly well ventilated area if you are running them for long periods of time. Also, If you plan to run a sparkgap for long periods of time, you could probably install the sparkgap in a metal container, with ventillation holes, to help shield it from emitting EM radiation. Whether X-rays or other harmful high frequency radiation from sparkgaps could ever be at a level that would be dangerous I wouldn't know, but it is good to keep in mind and maybe do some research on it if you plan to run a sparkgap with high input power.

What about welders who spend all day long within one meter of a continuous
arc ? If we look to welding safety studies concerning the arcs then we could
get some idea of what is a real problem.

1. Welding flash injury to the eyes. ( this you feel some time later maybe 8 to 12 hours)
it feels like sand in the eye or worse, if you wake up with welding flash injury
don't turn on the light or look at a light, it will cause agony and uncontrolled
fluid loss from the tear ducts. In mild cases it may just feel like an itchy eye or similar.
2. Ray burns (like sunburn)
3. Toxic fumes (fumes from the material being welded and consumable electrodes as well as ozone generation).
4. Ear damage. (some spark gaps can be loud) especially when experimenting with high energy disruptive discharge.


Then we can look at which of these problems can affect people further away,
1. Welding flash injury can affect people further away.
2. Ray burns have less effect on those further away.
3. If Xrays are a problem with spark gaps then they would also be a problem with welding processes, there should be much research already done on that
aspect and should affect everyone in the area who is unshielded.

My personal experience with welding for quite a few years is that welding is
not good for people, many people who weld for a living get cancer and other
serious illnesses. But they spend 6 hours plus a day with an arc in their hand
less than 1 meter from the brain mostly and even closer to the chest..

I recommend people learn how to weld it is very useful, but I wouldn't want
my son to be a welder. In some climates like the tropics the safety gear
required for some welding processes can cause heat stroke to wear while
working.

Enclose the spark gaps yes good idea, but they are not as dangerous as they
are made out to be, far bigger danger is death by electrocution, it's instant.

An enclosed gap would need to be positively ventilated or it would trap
ionized gasses and affect it's operation. Of course an open gap is prone to
random wind which can also be detrimental to the spark gap operation.

I advise against earthing a Telsa coil or any HV coil to the house ground
system through the wall socket ground or otherwise. Firstly because the
length of the secondary goes all the way to the ground, if connected to the
house socket ground that could add quite a bit of wire to the secondary and
cause tuning problems, Secondly it can cause the cases of a lot of expensive
equipment to become the ground for the coil.

My method of sinking a ground was to dig a hole first then drive the stake into
the bottom of the hole to get it down deep then I added ash and coals in
layers as I filled the hole, and I put it where there is a sump of waste water
at all times making it's way deep into the Earth. I live on a mountain of very
dry rocky Earth. trying to drive in a stake just doesn't work here, If I want a
stake 6 feet in the ground I dig a 4 food deep hole first.

Cheers

[Nick_Z]

I been waiting for mr.clean's latest video. Did I miss it?
I'm working on a Tv yoke core inverter with dual secondaries, (in series) using the Lasersaber 3.0 version idea. Now running on 24volts, and also join to another ferrite bead rod inverter that is also running on just a single 2n3055 transistor, with no other components. Both inverters inputs are joined in parallel to a 24 volt batteries source, as well as both inverter secondaries are also joined together. There is increase light output when using any type of bulb. I do use a 65watt Cfls between the different two inverters secondaries (not shown) to not have a direct connection between them. That bulb does not light but does allows the circuit to function possibly as another load. I will try the combined secondaries output to earth ground, going through the load, as suggested, to see what happens. I've never tried that combination, it sounds interesting.
I realize that this is not anything like Dons Smiths devices, but, it may work like mr.clean is suggesting, also.

Nick_Z

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Then we can look at which of these problems can affect people further away,
1. Welding flash injury can affect people further away.
2. Ray burns have less effect on those further away.
3. If Xrays are a problem with spark gaps then they would also be a problem with welding processes, there should be much research already done on that
aspect and should affect everyone in the area who is unshielded.

My personal experience with welding for quite a few years is that welding is
not good for people, many people who weld for a living get cancer and other
serious illnesses. But they spend 6 hours plus a day with an arc in their hand
less than 1 meter from the brain mostly and even closer to the chest..

I recommend people learn how to weld it is very useful, but I wouldn't want
my son to be a welder. In some climates like the tropics the safety gear
required for some welding processes can cause heat stroke to wear while
working.

Enclose the spark gaps yes good idea, but they are not as dangerous as they
are made out to be, far bigger danger is death by electrocution, it's instant.

An enclosed gap would need to be positively ventilated or it would trap
ionized gasses and affect it's operation. Of course an open gap is prone to
random wind which can also be detrimental to the spark gap operation.

Hi farmhand. Ok on the various effects of welding. Yeah the EM radiation from sparkgaps probably isn't all that much of a health concern unless maybe you are really using a lot of power, and there are different types of arcing. DC arcing is differrent than low frequency arcing, which is somewhat different again from higher frequency arcing. All probably have somewhat different effects. I would imagine that the fumes coming from welding would be one of the bigger health concerns, as there are all kinds of metals and contaminants and that sort of thing that get melted and fused together, and some of that stuff probably vaporizes into the air that the welder is breathing. Can't be that good for a person.

One method of quenching sparkgaps is to blow some air across the sparkgap to make the corona discharges stop quicker. So, maybe putting a small computer fan to blow across a sparkgap can help ventilate it and also act to quench the gap. I might give it a try sometime to see if I get cleaner pulses.

I advise against earthing a Telsa coil or any HV coil to the house ground
system through the wall socket ground or otherwise. Firstly because the
length of the secondary goes all the way to the ground, if connected to the
house socket ground that could add quite a bit of wire to the secondary and
cause tuning problems, Secondly it can cause the cases of a lot of expensive
equipment to become the ground for the coil.

My method of sinking a ground was to dig a hole first then drive the stake into
the bottom of the hole to get it down deep then I added ash and coals in
layers as I filled the hole, and I put it where there is a sump of waste water
at all times making it's way deep into the Earth. I live on a mountain of very
dry rocky Earth. trying to drive in a stake just doesn't work here, If I want a
stake 6 feet in the ground I dig a 4 food deep hole first.
Cheers

I agree with you about not using the house AC line ground on a tesla coil setup. When I tried that I was getting the EM noise from the sparkgap and tesla coil feeding back through my AC lines back to a computer I had left on. It caused various USB peripherals on the computer to stop functioning (luckily they still worked after unplugging them and plugging them back in).

Ok on your earth grounding method. Yeah, if you are in dry rocky earth it can be tough to get a really good earth ground. Sounds like you managed to get a pretty decent earth ground setup though, despite the rocky soil. What is the purpose of the ash and coals? Is that to add carbon content to the soil or what exactly? Another way to get an earth ground in rocky dry soil is to run out a bunch of ground radial wires and bury them a little bit if you can, but that is probably a big chore in really rocky soil. If you are on almost pure rock you can still run out a bunch of ground radial wires radially from a center ground pin and the wires will capacitively couple to the earth somewhat for AC use. That wouldn't help much if you wanted a good DC earth ground though.

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and i know that light is not an accurate measure, and HV can theoretically do the same with less current, but it just seems like the right path to what we are searching for something like this...

Hi mr. clean. Yes, my estimation is that what is happening is that you are sending high voltage discharge pulses from the sparkgap charged capacitor through the halogen bulb. Because of the high energy, high voltage discharge pulses from the capacitor, the filament in the bulb will get very hot and glow very brightly, but because you are using pulses it can use a lot less power than if you are driving with a sinewave. The high voltage pulses will probably burn out the filament much quicker than lower voltage sinewaves (or DC for DC bulbs) though. So, although the bulb will likely glow really brightly and possibly use a fair bit less power than if fed with a lower voltage sinewave or DC, you will likely end up burning out a lot of bulbs fairly quickly if you keep it running for a while. If this is what you are doing, then it would be very hard to measure the output power to your lightbulb(s) because of the high voltage pulses. Is that the general idea of what you are doing?

[mr.clean]

I agree if it works, use it, I also agree that if we can light light bulbs up to a
usable light output with less than the rated input that is also very good but.

eg, if a 60 Watt bulb uses only 30 Watts to get to 70% brightness then that
might be much more efficient than 40 Watt bulb or something at full power.

My interpretation of the Don Smith device is a setup that uses a resonant air
cored transformer to charge HV capacitors which are used to power a step down
inverter. Which kinda doesn't make much sense because he shows transistors
switching the HV capacitors through the inverting transformer. He also claims
that the caps get charged to 8000 volts. And that doing the process produces
tens of kilowatts of usable power. However during his demonstration he was
struggling to keep the rated voltage across his load bulbs.

I still haven't seen a working MEG but Don says Tom Bearden copied one of
his devices which is more or less a MEG from what I can tell.

Anyway I do my own experiments looking for interesting effects as well, I'm
not a raving skeptic but I am skeptical of many well known claims.

I still do not see anyone with an implementation of Dons setup as he
describes it, with the large HV caps and step down inverter or something
similar.

I have a concept for a way to transfer the energy from the HV caps to the
step down inverter transformer at the required frequency without transistors, I've mentioned it
here before, but other than that I won't detail it again. Unless to an
experimenter "ready to go", the method requires a motor, still I have no
guarantee it would work as desired or be easy to build.

Cheers

well im definitely interested in hearing it again about the caps-to-use

and i like what you pointed out about efficiencies, totally correct and inspiring

i have a real problem with the claims of many kilowatts as well, but then i see Russians and others with apparent kilowatts and table-top sized self-runners, and i just keep working and putting myself thru frustration

...and im sure you are exactly the same, thats why were having this conversation

i appreciate your skepticism

btw people, i am now uploading my latest vid, its gonna be a 2 part vid,,, in an hour or so