Spontaneous charging radiantly charged capacitor research group

[Matthew Jones]

I Don't follow you. They work for me and what I am doing with them.
Thats all I said.

Matt

[sucahyo]

I Don't follow you. They work for me and what I am doing with them.
Thats all I said.

Matt

Ok. Just mentioning that some people think solid state relay /opto coupler is not as efficient as mechanical relay.

[Inquorate]

I wasn't going to post this here, but

The circuit doesn't charge a cap this way, it won't buzz or click. but the large cap in the video now has 13v resting charge after being left for a couple of hours. Pretty cool.

YouTube - recovering a battery that has been abused and won't hold charge

[theremart]

Interesting...

Ya it works but you really can't run any serious amperage, or speeds unless you buy high dollar relays.

There is an easier version than that but I am using 8 of these Relays. I use the Patrick Kelly schematic from the practical guide...
I use a coil/magnet arrangment producing AC to drive them.

Real simple, but off topic.

Cheers
Matt

I have those same relays, don't have the noise that the standard relay has. Now what is the practical guide you got my curiosity up

[Matthew Jones]

Well the test is in and we can all go home. Capacitors do not gain capacitance from radiant energy.

I charge a axial 35volt 100uf cap up with radiant from my machine and discharged it 20 times.
Then I did the same on another cap of like specs except with a battery.

Both grew on initial charge (After pulled out of the box) from 102.5 to 104.7 uf. After that nothing.

The recharge thing is still neat.

I couldn't test the big caps I purchased the website I purchase the meter from lied about its ability. If its to cheap to be true it probably not.

@theremart
The Practical guide to free energy
I was Referring to his layout of a Tesla switch. But instead of using a spdt you can use 2 solid states, and drive them opposite.
The relays are mosfet driven so they wont make any noise.

Cheers
Matt

[gotoluc]

Well the test is in and we can all go home. Capacitors do not gain capacitance from radiant energy.

I charge a axial 35volt 100uf cap up with radiant from my machine and discharged it 20 times.
Then I did the same on another cap of like specs except with a battery.

Both grew on initial charge (After pulled out of the box) from 102.5 to 104.7 uf. After that nothing.

The recharge thing is still neat.

Cheers
Matt

Hi Matt,

thanks for taking the time to do the tests and confirming about the Radiant conditioning cap capacity thing

You mentioned "The recharge thing is still neat"

Does this mean that you have also found that Radiantly pre-conditioned cap will charge faster using Radiant then one of the same value that has not been conditioned?

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

[Inquorate]

Unchanged capacity

As the capacitance doesn't change, I hold this to be the most probable explanation.

YouTube - second explanation of what happens once capacitor is conditioned

[Matthew Jones]

Does this mean that you have also found that Radiantly pre-conditioned cap will charge faster using Radiant then one of the same value that has not been conditioned?

Nope in fact they don't charge faster under a radiant charge. It takes a little time to fill them. Were as you hook them to a battery and pow they are to the same level as the battery.

I would say its a conversion proccess.

I know in my case, because I am spiking on both sides, if you turn the cap around to charge it you don't get the same effect initially. (IE positive spikes on negative pole, ect...) It just goes to the step voltage of the monopole. but after a while of charging and discharging the voltage can get up there. Not quite the same as the normal direction.

This would indicate to me that something is changing, but what I am not sure.

I am going to have to break this thing down soon. Gotta get back to what I was working on.

Let know me if there is anything I can get done in the next couple of days for ya.

Matt

[ren]

Nope in fact they don't charge faster under a radiant charge. It takes a little time to fill them. Were as you hook them to a battery and pow they are to the same level as the battery.

Matt

Matt it would seem to me that the cap charges instantly when hooked to the battery because of the incredible amperage that can be pushed instantly, to charge it up to the batteries level. Of course, it will go no higher, unless a coil is integrated in the charging process....

Now it may not be apparent, but an oscillator that charges the cap up with its inductive discharges wont have the "pushing" power the battery has, unless it is a large/high current one, no? I have a monopole here that only pushes 600ma on the front end. The 54,000uF cap charges pretty fast, only takes a second or so before its above the battery level. Another machine I have pushes 2 amps, which does the job even faster.

Perhaps there is a scientific way one could more accurately, I guess, limit the speed with which the battery charged cap is fed, with a choke or such?

There is also something else Id like to consider in the terms of this thread.

It is the term "radiant"

It gets thrown around alot these days, yet Im not sure we all really get it yet? Im not saying it isnt being utilized in these configurations, Im simply trying to understand it and place it in context?

Funnily enough, I found an interesting quote in a place I wouldnt normally quote, wikipedia.

"Open systems

Radiant energy is one of the mechanisms by which energy can enter or leave an open system.[11][12][13] Such a system can be man-made, such as a solar energy collector, or natural, such as the Earth's atmosphere. In geophysics, most atmospheric gases, including the greenhouse gases, allow the Sun's short-wavelength radiant energy to pass through to the Earth's surface, heating the ground and oceans. The absorbed solar energy is partly re-emitted as longer wavelength radiation (chiefly infrared radiation), some of which is absorbed by the atmospheric greenhouse gases...."

I didnt expect to see something like this on Wiki. I actually found it quite refreshing.

There has been some speculation lately on another forum I visit that the inductive spike is not the radiant, and that the radiant is triggered into the battery or capacitor by this sharp gradient. Im not sure if it matters to define between the two.. or if that is correct. I am reminded by Seps scope shots of his charging batteries terminals that show a very fast alternating oscillation at the point the inductive discharge hits the charging battery. It is almost like the inductive spike INDUCES this oscillation, before dampening off into the battery. From what I have seen, you can build one system, and change a few parts, and that ringing will not be anywhere as large as another. I guess we are dealing with inductances and capacitances as well as frequencies here, so there is no flat constants, but as you note from above this so called "Radiant" is in a wavelength form of its own, and probably posseses its own qualities, which some other configurations would be more sensitive to.

Just thinking out loud

Regards

[Inquorate]

Ren

The inductive spike triggering the radiant event in the cap would certainly explain why a radiantly conditioned cap will recharge faster with radiant spikes that a non conditioned cap.

I've been thinking about how a bedini system is about 70 % (pulling numbers out of thin air, but you know what I mean) efficient at recovering energy, battery input v recovery diode.

And this is with the battery input being 'lost'.

Shuttling energy around in caps parallel-series, the energy can be re-used. Collecting the coil collapse has high theoretical hope.

[Matthew Jones]

Tell ya the truth Ren, it really doesn't matter how the charge is put in the capacitor. It does not change the capacitate value as measured.
That was the test.
Something is happening but without specific component testing were not gonna find out.
Is the energy stored in the electrolyte. Maybe If thats the case then how does oil or Mica react. If they react the same then the phenomena is happing in the plates.
SO how do we test that? Maybe 2 pieces of vinyl coated aluminum back to back. They should hold a charge of some value.
Then some of us can start in on the numbers,but... what then? Where does it go?
Do we find the perfect capacitor for a monopole discharge?

To me its not worth much more testing. Someone else it may be. I just have to much else to do on a larger scale. Without significant results I can't see wasting much more time.

There has been some speculation lately on another forum I visit that the inductive spike is not the radiant, and that the radiant is triggered into the battery or capacitor by this sharp gradient.

I just define it as anything that comes from a monopole or like generator spike that are pure voltage and carry no time on the scope.
Negative energy is anything that acts contrary to positive energy.
Positive energy being the energy we see coming out of the wall, off of an inductive generator, solar panel or a battery. Dies with resistance and causes heat.
Being blond is hard to do, I might get confused if I have anymore names than that to remember.

Matt

[Inquorate]

Revival

Hi all, I just thought I'd revive this thread, as conditioned capacitors seem to show energy gain that appears to be like smaller capacity when charging and larger capacity when discharging.

Here's everything you need to know to condition caps;

The capacitor conditioner
Capacitor conditoner - Vox

If using 555 timer, you'll probably want a large coil with steel nails or Ferrite core, or really large coil; the pulse width should be just long enough to get maximum magnetic field.

1n4007 diode should do. But 1n4148 or uf4007 might be better.

To use opto isolators from 555 timer
4108d1258825119-use-tesla-switch-scr - Vox

555 timer with adjustable pulse width
YouTube - signal generator 555 timer based with 0 to 100% pulse width control

If you don't have a large cap, maybe use an scr to discharge thru small resistor. But an scr from a cap over 100uf may not switch off.

Pulse charge from cap by scr - Vox

Otherwise a relay works well to discharge the capacitor; just take the battery out of this schematic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DI01IujfX-5A&


Happy experimenting!

Love and light

[Inquorate]

Correct link

YouTube - recovering a battery that has been abused and won't hold charge

Having trouble converting the last link (mobile) to a pc one.

[Inquorate]

Important?

I've been thinking about how a bedini system is about 70 % (pulling numbers out of thin air, but you know what I mean) efficient at recovering energy, battery input v recovery diode.

And this is with the battery input being 'lost'.

Shuttling energy around in caps parallel-series, the energy can be re-used. Collecting the coil collapse has high theoretical hope.

I'm reposting this comment because I believe it is significant but appears to have been overlooked

[Inquorate]

Oops?

In the capacitor conditioner schematic I posted I made an error. I had the charging capacitor negative going to battery negative.

In bedini setup it's charge cap or bat negative to run battery positive;

http://a7.vox.com/6a0110169c703a860d0123f18219af860f-pi

Sorry bout that