Gravity - just pure plain GRAVITY

[Aaron]

The Army Paper - Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor

Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor

Authors: Thomas B. Bahder, Chris Fazi
(Submitted on 31 Oct 2002 (v1), last revised 12 Mar 2003 (this version, v2))

Abstract: When a high voltage (~30 kV) is applied to a capacitor whose electrodes have different physical dimensions, the capacitor experiences a net force toward the smaller electrode (Biefeld-Brown effect). We have verified this effect by building four capacitors of different shapes. The effect may have applications to vehicle propulsion and dielectric pumps. We review the history of this effect briefly through the history of patents by Thomas Townsend Brown. At present, the physical basis for the Biefeld-Brown effect is not understood. The order of magnitude of the net force on the asymmetric capacitor is estimated assuming two different mechanisms of charge conduction between its electrodes: ballistic ionic wind and ionic drift. The calculations indicate that ionic wind is at least three orders of magnitude too small to explain the magnitude of the observed force on the capacitor. The ionic drift transport assumption leads to the correct order of magnitude for the force, however, it is difficult to see how ionic drift enters into the theory. Finally, we present a detailed thermodynamic treatment of the net force on an asymmetric capacitor. In the future, to understand this effect, a detailed theoretical model must be constructed that takes into account plasma effects: ionization of gas (or air) in the high electric field region, charge transport, and resulting dynamic forces on the electrodes. The next series of experiments should determine whether the effect occurs in vacuum, and a careful study should be carried out to determine the dependence of the observed force on gas pressure, gas species and applied voltage.

Comments: 25 pages, new version has corrections of typos and wording, and additional references added. This version is to be published as an Army Research Laboratory Technical Report (in press, March 2003) Subjects: History of Physics (physics.hist-ph); General Physics (physics.gen-ph) Journal reference: Army Research Laboratory Tech Report No. ARL-TR-3005, June 2003 Cite as: arXivhysics/0211001v2 [physics.hist-ph]
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From: Thomas B. Bahder [view email]
[v1] Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:15:53 GMT (680kb)
[v2] Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:55:40 GMT (1063kb)

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Sep 5, 2000 ... ballistic ionic wind and ionic drift. The calculations indicate that ionic wind is at least three orders of magnitude too small to explain ...
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[CloudSeeder]

loyd Sweet's Vacuum Triode Amplifier? They

[Aaron]

Thomas Townsend Brown

Cloudseeder,

The only reference I saw is for Thomas Townsend Brown. He was able to have a capacitor have an asymmetrical thrust.

Thomas Townsend Brown - Google Search

[CloudSeeder]

Thomas Townsend Brown had a capacitor doing asymmetrical thrust.

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[Aromaz]

Logic of science.

On a lighter momentum; I received this from my son. Just shows you that Mathematically Based science is truely amazing. I have the perfect diet for myself, one I can bear to do all day!

As we all know, it takes 1 calorie to heat 1 gram of water 1 degree centigrade. Translated into meaningful terms, this means that if you eat a very cold dessert (generally consisting of water in large part), the natural processes which raise the consumed dessert to body temperature during the digestive cycle literally sucks the calories out of the only available source, your body fat.

For example, a dessert served and eaten at near 0 degrees C (32.2 deg. F) will in a short time be raised to the normal body temperature of 37 degrees C (98.6 deg. F). For each gram of dessert eaten, that process takes approximately 37 calories as stated above. The average desser tportion is 6 oz, or 168 grams. Therefore, by operation of thermodynamiclaw, 6,216 calories (1 cal./gm/deg. x 37 deg. x 168 gms) are extracted from body fat as the dessert's temperature is normalized.

Allowing for the 1,200 latent calories in the dessert, the net calorie loss is approximately 5,000 calories.

Obviously, the more cold dessert you eat,the better off you are and the faster you will lose weight, if that is your goal.

This process works equally well when drinking very cold beer in frosted glasses. Each ounce of beer contains 16 latent calories, but extracts 1,036 calories (6,216 cal. per 6 oz. portion) in the temperature normalizing process. Thus the net calorie loss per ounce of beer is 1,020 calories. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to calculate that 12,240 calories (12 oz. x 1,020 cal./oz.) are extracted from the body in the process of drinking a can of beer.

Frozen desserts, e.g., ice cream, are even more beneficial, since it takes 83 cal./gm to melt them (i.e., raise them to 0 deg. C) and an additional 37 cal./gm to further raise them to body temperature. The results here are really remarkable, and it beats running hands down.

Unfortunately, for those who eat pizza as an excuse to drink beer, pizza (loaded with latent calories and served above body temperature) induces an opposite effect. But, thankfully, as the astute reader should have already reasoned, the obvious solution is to drink a lot of beer with pizza and follow up immediately with large bowls of ice cream.

We could all be thin if we were to adhere religiously to a pizza, beer, and ice cream diet.

[Aromaz]

TT Brown - out of place, before his time like Tesla?

Last night I woke up and somehow this phrase was stuck in my conscious mind. "High voltage, no current...."

So today I went in search of all gravity and alternative energy documents where this might be originating. From alternative energy – only one reference to a Bedini project. In relation to Nokola Tesla – 17 references.

From gravity – 21,700 references, mostly with relations to TT Brown and 'lifter' experiments. So I did spend most of this day on updating and expanding my knowledge of Thomas Townsend Browns history and experiments. Then I came here and find a similar reference above from Aaron. Coincidence ?

There are truely a heck of a lot more info about TTB around when you start following little lines and expanded views. It does seems to me there were much more successful experiments and way out more interesting than the ;lifters' I though of before. Even he was involved as key person in Philadelphia (Rainbow) experiments.

[Aromaz]

@Inquorate;
Related to your video I watched just now.
YouTube - gas issuing from hv wire pushing divot in oil and epoxy salt mix
Remember we had the same effect some time ago while experimenting with the high DC voltage on my old circuit?

Your video brought those old visions back. Somehow the electrial discharge from the tip of the probe (wire) does push the water away. Question now is: What is the cause - Pressure from the electric pulse - or attraction / push of gravity. Interesting one to ponder a while.

[Aromaz]

Damn my stupid mind. I must have read this in the past; 'memory dating' around October 2008 when I looked into TT Brown for possibile application in Alternative energy; at that time I also build my lifter.

Now I read it again and realized I probably overlooked this statement; or my mind was blunt and tired. Yet, this description does fit in very well with what the Indian Vimana's are about. My own theory and later experiments shows there is a serious connection here.

Nice words:
"Brown’s saucer tests show a propulsive force with the positive voltage leading and the negative edge trailing. The high voltage electrically charged the air around the craft with a cloud of positive ions forming in front of the craft and a cloud of negative ions behind." ... Same technology suspected to be applied to B-2 bombers i.e Dr. Paul LaViolette.

Is there somewhere a line: (TT Brown - High Voltage, Ionic wind) + (Sweet Floyd - Resonating magnets) + (Leedskalin - Resonating rocks levitating) + (...) = Counter Gravity?

I wonder; Our electrical systems today are based on Amps and Watts, not so much on volts. Nature are based on volts? Maybe we do not need a complete new direction, but only a slight change in direction - follow the Volts.

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[Shamus]

Hi Corrie,

Yes, there's more than meets the eye when it comes to T. T. Brown and especially the Naudin lifters, which have somehow become conflated with T. T. Brown and his work. T. T. Brown created a real warp drive which is a far cry from these impotent toy lifters which certain people seem to be obsessed with. You probably know about this, but just in case you haven't seen it it's well worth the time to read. That goes for pretty much anything by Vasillatos, IMO.

If you notice, the Naudin style lifter asymetrical capacitors use air as a dielectric--not so good for producing thrust. But if you dig a little further into Naudin's site you can find two versions of a toy UFO; one using air as a dielectric and another using plastic. I think you can see where I'm going with this. Someone recently linked a video done by MIT which proves that the charge of a capacitor is stored in the dielectric and NOT the plates as it is usually assumed.

[dambit]

If you notice, the Naudin style lifter asymetrical capacitors use air as a dielectric--not so good for producing thrust. But if you dig a little further into Naudin's site you can find two versions of a toy UFO; one using air as a dielectric and another using plastic.

Hi All,

This is exactly the problem with the lifter phenomenon. Most people think this was what TTBrown was all about and therefore the ion wind debate is always there. It wasn't. The lifter was only meant as a proof of concept, the real tech was in his Gravitator Cells. These were completely sealed and not only did they work far better than the "lifter" type gravitator, they also working in vacuum conditions.

The other issue is that back in the day, the best dielectrics, bakelite and parrafin wax for example, only had a K value of around 3 or 4. Today, with the use of composites and certain plastics, K values of over 3000 are achievable. I mention this because TTBrown stated many times, and I paraphrase a little, "the gravitational effect is directly proportional to the dielectric constant of the materials used. The higher the K value, the greater the effect." He also stated that the relationship between the gravitational effect and voltage was nonlinear. As the voltage was increased the speed of the gravitator (in his rotating setups) increased exponentially.

I understand why the Lifters are popular, they are cheap and easy to build. However IMO they are not where the attention should be focused. Unlike in the past, TTBrowns cellular gravitators are very easy to construct today. Very good dielectrics in the form of resins and other hardening liquids are easily available for moulding.

I think this is worth pursuing and am gathering the materials needed. If anyone has had experience with this please feel free to inform me of your results and maybe even construction tips.

Cheers,

Steve

[CloudSeeder]

Center of Energy in the middle of the dialectric (as in Center of Gravity)

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[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, so It looks like some see the possibility as I brought up, that the high voltage in our atmosphere may be a partial or whole cause of what we call gravity and all objects including gases and particles interact in this asymmetric capacitor thrust effect which coalesce planets together and everything upon them including us to the surface. Just a few thoughts.
peace love light
Tyson

[Aromaz]

WHY do you keep tinking of batteries and Capacitors?

@Aromaz: Everybody designing systems are focused on storage by batteries but in nature it used capacitors.

Everybody still failes to understand the most interesting concept: IF you can harvest the RADIANT energy from the cosmos, you DO NOT need any battery! You do not need to store it anywhere! It is there for the take, 'free' at all time in any place and in all quantity.