Gravity - just pure plain GRAVITY

[Aromaz]

Hi Corrie,
... But if you dig a little further into Naudin's site you can find two versions of a toy UFO; one using air as a dielectric and another using plastic. I think you can see where I'm going with this. Someone recently linked a video done by MIT which proves that the charge of a capacitor is stored in the dielectric and NOT the plates as it is usually assumed.

Interesting to someone DID in fact dug deeper and discover there is a little more than is shown on the surface; even from Naudin!

The first 'discovery' I had against conventional science was that electrons flow from NEG to POS; opposite from what everyone believes. Second was that the energy in a capacitor is stored in the Dielectric; not the conducting plates.

This happened when I started experimenting with different kinds of plates to see which will store more energy - and all are nearly the same. Then I played with different thicknesses of insulating; just to discover that does make a difference - and eventually with different materials for dieclectric; to find that does even make more difference.

[Aromaz]

Hi All,
I think this is worth pursuing and am gathering the materials needed. If anyone has had experience with this please feel free to inform me of your results and maybe even construction tips.
Steve

Hi Steve, out of curiosity, do you have a plan / diagram of how you think such machine should be assembled now? I am prepared to do more and share whatever I can here from Thailand. What about the material with highest dielectric K values?

[Raui]

Everybody still failes to understand the most interesting concept: IF you can harvest the RADIANT energy from the cosmos, you DO NOT need any battery! You do not need to store it anywhere! It is there for the take, 'free' at all time in any place and in all quantity.

Doesn't a capacitor bring the radiant energy to a more usable form though?

Raui

[Aromaz]

What If ...

Proving something on paper doesn't put a charge inside a separator. The electrons are bundled up on one side and a lack on the other side, otherwise it isn't a capacitor. Name it something else pleez.

@CloudSeeder; What if it is not electrons 'bundled' up on one side. What if it is a concentration of some other manifestation of the energy that is stored in the di-electric? Lets us call it just for the sake of this example "Z-Light" Such Z-Light units are stored until the dielectric becomes saturatated. They are kept in that space because the metal plates prevents them from escaping; because in that metalic plates the electrons are all locked down with saturated atoms.

By shorting the plates, alowing the electrons to release, the Z-Light fro the dielectric can also move, replace and kick the electrons ... thus you have this huge release of energy.

I am still working on this one, but I mysself is quite convinced the actual storage of energy is in the di-electric. As is the same in our atmosphere.

[CloudSeeder]

A state-variable dialectric? Gatesistor? Inexhaustible Magnetic Milking of Electrons?

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[Tehnoman]

Force on an Asymmetric Capacitor
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Thanks. Saved the paper for future experiments.

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Naudin's site you can find two versions of a toy UFO; one using air as a dielectric and another using plastic.
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Deeper we go, more interesting it gets.

[Vortex]

Electrokinetic Propulsion

Electrokinetic Propulsion
the article mentions many patents you might want to look at.

Hagen's US Patent 3,120,363 published in 1958

Major de Seversky's concept (US Patent 3,130,945, published in 1959) is a more advanced lifter design

In 2000 Hector Serrano was awarded international patent WO 00/58623 for "Propulsion Device and Method Employing Electric Fields for Producing Thrust".

first patent Brown was awarded in 1928 (GB 300,311) for a stacked capacitor "Gravitator".

In 2001 NASA were awarded patents 6,317,310 and 6,411,493 "Apparatus for Generating Thrust Using a Two Dimensional Asymmetrical Capacitor Module"

In French patent 1,253,902 Pages postulated that a rotating electric current would produce an anti-gravitational effect.

[morpher44]

Aero Acoustic Levitation of Ping Pong Ball

Aero-Acoustic Levitation Of Ping-Pong Ball 2 - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

[Aaron]

Searl Effect by John Searl

Another claimed anti-gravity technology that has had a lot of attention and has at lest been online for years is the Searl Effect by John Searl. You can find a bunch of links here:
searl effect - Google Search

Yet more claims that I don't think anyone has ever replicated that I know of.

[Aromaz]

Searl Technology

Another claimed anti-gravity technology that has had a lot of attention and has at lest been online for years is the Searl Effect by John Searl. You can find a bunch of links here:
searl effect - Google Search

Yet more claims that I don't think anyone has ever replicated that I know of.

John Searl is supposed to have a Lab in Thailand - actually he is suppose to be here most of the time. I have been in contact with their office in OK, got contact details for Thai lab. Called, got answer once, but was not prepared to give address nor visitors. Eventually I traced this place down and found it was a small shop house with a little name board in front and nothing else happening.

But they are promoting on internet and collecting funds for research. Something fishy smells rotten. In June 2008 they started promoting a conference with limited pre-book tickets at price of US$ 550 for public to attend first day. Conference was supposed to take place in December in one of the bigger Exhibition malls in Thailand.

Till this day - one year and five months later; nothing happened. Other people from around the world that became so called "Searl Solution Members" and paid membership fees after viewing a static engineering model on a table - are seriously disappointed.

I researched, I looked and I reviewed probably all documents, reports, reviews, videos etc of this so called 'Searl Technology' and I am of mind this is one very successful hoax to get money. No value, no true, no results.

Very cleverly done, he used the 'mythtical' magnets and 'successfully' make his proto types rise up into the air and dissaper... VERY cleverly done, even got myself tobbing a while - and US$ 550 out of pocket!

[Vortex]

Otis T. Carr

Otis T. Carr, 19 April 1958 (Part 1) (Part 2)

The above is one interview of a total of 3 recordings of Otis Carr in 1958
In the recording (links above) speaks of gravity inside the craft and anti-gravity outside of the craft.

Battery recharges via atmospheric electricity .

Source of information above: Project Camelot | Ralph Ring and Otis Carr
Originally posted by blackchisel97 at thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=4980
with link to Ralph Ring interview speaking about a test flight he was on
in a craft of Carr's design.
Click here for a transcript of the Ralph Ring video

Otis T. Carr patents are found here: Otis Carr Flying Machine - KeelyNet 12/23/01

[CloudSeeder]

Boeing versus the Safe Passenger Star Trek engines.

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[Raui]

Re: John Searl

@ Aromaz & Everyone else interested:
I got quiet intrigued with John Searl and his technology about a year maybe 2 years ago. I even sent him emails which were put up on his swallow command website. I have found John to be rather pleasant with a good sense of humor however when it comes to the technology everything is rather vague.

John used to tell me of things all the time. Things you'd really have to feel sorry for the man if they were true. I felt sympathy for him and tried to help him out with his website as much as I could. Then whenever you'd ask him anything about his technology he'd go rather quiet or what he'd say wouldn't quiet be logical.

I still have a very slight feeling this technology is real though. However that being said there is something fishy about John Searl as a character. I can't quiet put my finger on it. Anyway if you want my advice I wouldn't put money into 'Searl Solutions' or any other related 'company'.

Raui

[CloudSeeder]

Envisioning a flat screen paste-on-the walls receiving antenna mesh X radn poisoning:

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[CloudSeeder]

www.postcarbon.org/new-site-files/Reports/Searching_for_a_Miracle_web10nov09.pdf

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