Pulse charging Batteries - Conditioning & C.O.P relationship

[baroutologos]

Foreword: I have searched this forum and failed to locate any specific thread on this topic alone. Much of it is incorporated in SSG thread. By the way i feel it is an important (the most important?) aspect of utilizing the impulsive "spike" technology by the battery use.
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Anyone with a mediocre experience (As me) in the field of Bedini technology or others dealing with the impulsive state of electricity, can finally understand that at best their machines, if working properly, output pulses of electricity either of higher or lower frequency / voltage.

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The common place at utilizing those impulses is the use of capacitor or even a battery as Bedini suggests.
Refraining from further "theory" i urge anyone willing to report their own experience and data (if handy), of how the COP of his/her machine increases/stays the same/decreases by repeated cycling of the batteries used i.e. "conditioning process".

Different batteries chemistries, sizes, C rates of charging/discharging, output current going to battery you name what, are to be considered here.

Feel free to add anything you think is relevant.

Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

Good thread... I am in the middle of studying this with the OCD circuit... I will post results when I'm finished

[baroutologos]

C rates at charging / discharging

Somehow distant from original topic but i think worths a repetition.
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The only thing that i can safely conclude and hugely affects the COP obtained is the battery discharge rate.

C10 to C20 can have as much as 10-20% more efficiency in power out of battery.
C1 to c10 can have as 30-50% more effcieciency in my setups.
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I calculated that my newly conversed alum battery (previously factory ranked 6Ah lead acid-flooded type, in a:
* 1.65 Amps draw lasts about 1hour. (hence 1,65 Ah)
* 0.26 Amps draw lasts about 9 hours ( 2.35 Ah)
And if i stay in the C20 (0.15 amps) i expect somewhere 2,8 Ah)

Ok, nothing new actually. Well known facts.
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On the other hand i find the charging of the battery is far more efficient in terms of efficiency than discharging. So charging in C20 or C10 or C5 little efficiency is obtaining by going higher C rates.

baroutologos

[sucahyo]

On the other hand i find the charging of the battery is far more efficient in terms of efficiency than discharging. So charging in C20 or C10 or C5 little efficiency is obtaining by going higher C rates.

Do you measure input current or output current? How much input current that you use to charge that battery?

[baroutologos]

Sorry for not being that specific.
Measurements mostly taken are for discharging the battery. Previous charging has been made with DC current as well as from SSG at various voltages. (9,15,20,37)

When pulse charging, measurements of efficiency are based are on the input side of SSG. Not to the output since pulsed and difficult to measure.

i calculate the C rate of charging, by simply see what kind of discharge to a known Ah capacity battery has been achieved and how much time it gets to restore full potential. Lots of room for minor deviations and errors here but you get the overal picture accurate enough.


Baroutologos

[baroutologos]

Dangerous Desuplhator XxX

I had some fun with an improvised battery desulphator the day before.

I have ready assebled an 555time-ignition coil- bridge - 26nF caps and a adjustable magnetic quenched spark-gap with carbon electrodes.

I arranged my system in such way as between the cap and spark-gap to be my 12v battery!
If spike is what we want, then SPIKE we shall have!
The voltage is regulated via adjusting the spark-gap. i calculate from 1Kv-10Kv i can vary the distance.
I tried to put a 1000v 6amp diode bridge so as only to charge the battery, but bridge burnout the instance the machine operated.

So far, i operate it at the 1 Kv level cap discharge. The battery is not charging virtually since the current oscillates from the cap at discharge, but I think it desulphates it a LOT.

in any case, serious rf with a NE-2 bulb is detected at battery terminals that way.

attention: Batteries are liable to explode that way!

[sucahyo]

Wow, scary. Can you post picture?

[ABCStore]

Funny, I thought about it a couple of days ago. John Bedini says more voltage, less current. Tesla coil is the best charging source?..

ABC

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, well i have yet to do in depth analysis of COP on my setup, however i have been able to rejuvenate lead acid gel's and recently rejuvenated a nimh 3600 mah rc battery pack that would not take a normal charge anymore and after pulse charging from flyback diode, now takes a full rate charge on normal fast charger. So these devices have a high practical value to me even without considering COP values.
peace love light
Tyson

[baroutologos]

@Suchayo,

Here is the pic you asked. The outline was changed. Instead of direct cap discharge, a toroid wound with 18awg at 3 taps (3,5 - 17 - 43mH) for moderating the spike.

The diode bridge, again blown. I will remove it for all.

Have fun, and take care.

[sucahyo]

Thanks, interesting setup .

Wouldn't the toroid will increase voltage like what meyer use in his VIC?



I read that if you can get rectifying property by using spesific voltage range. From Theory and calculation of electrical circuit.pdf, posted by dmonarch. from chapter II.


The graph is about arc can sustain at rectifying range, otherwise it will give frequent spark. The bottom scale is temperature, the right scale seems to be voltage. If I am not mistaken this is data for carbon.

I think you can adjust voltage by controlling your circuit current.

[boguslaw]

I'd like to build this : Renewable Energy for the Poor Man: Updated Charger/Desulfator
but there is 230v here in mains.I didn't know either there are sockets with build-in ground leaking protection. Probably not in my timezone

[Zooty]

I am getting amazing results with my tri filler solid state charger. Input is 12v@75ma. It charges a 12v 4.5ah sla to 14.95v in about 8 hours. The last time i ran the battery down, it went for 13 hours@100ma down to 12v. I am charging it for the third time on this setup, 4 hours in to charging and the voltage is already at 13.1v .. looks like cop>1 but i'll have to see how consistent it is. Just a quick note, i am not pulsing a cap over the charge battery, the rectifier is connected directly.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i cant locate the elecret thread so i posting this here. I'm noticing something so far which others have noticed when batteries have gone dead and become like low voltage elecrets. I had these generic 2400mah nimh AA's laying around 3 of them and were almost 0 volts, then i decided to try and rejuvenate them with bedini style solid state charger using flyback diode method. It was working fine, i was getting maybe 60-70% capacity then i accidentally left them to discharge to long in discharge cycle and they were almost at 0 volts again, however when disconnecting load they shot up quickly past 3 volts and settled around 3.68 volts, well they wont go below that voltage, they keep climbing quickly back up to about 3.7 volts, i've been pulse lighting multiple led's, then i thought i'd try charging another duracell 2650mah nimh AA and its charging this single cell and now the voltage has climbed even higher on the generic nimh AA's to 3.73 volts. Anyone else see this behavior with batteries as i've read others have.
peace love light
Tyson

[boguslaw]

I see it with 12v 35Ah lead acid battery. I think something is happening when battery is treated with radiant energy.Here I cannot charge this battery but it looks like a giant capacitor now.